You grew up in a very different world. Now it's hard tk find a job even if you're 16. Self made man I suppose. Work hard. And well. Hopefully play hard. Those go hand in hand
Is vaping worth the trouble of concealing it from your family?
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Actually I do plan to quit vaping. That has always been the plan for me .I just decided that there was no need to hurry. Slow and steady wins the race and I must be doing something right because in 3 more weeks I will have hit my 3 year anniversary of being completely smoke free.
Its never been a hobby for me. More like a Godsend that finally allowed me to kick a 2 pack a day, 25 year habit.
I started at 36 mgs and have SLOWLY worked my way down to just 3 mg. I will be dropping to 1.5mgs on my next order and will probably vape that for 6 months before going 0 nic.
Eventually I will quit vaping completely and it should be easy since all I'll have is the hand to mouth to break.
Im not selling all of my vaping stuff however. I will keep my trustiest mod as a backup along with some low nicotine juice just in case life throws me an inevitable curve ball.
And as far as sounding like old hypocrites goes; If I had this life to live over again, I wouldnt give anyone a cigarette...period.
Almost losing your mom to COPD caused by smoking, has that effect on a person.
It wasn't much easier to find a job at 16 back then. But I lived in a smallish suburb with a lot of retired people and younger families where both parents worked. The old lady next door had heat stroke mowing her yard, so I offered to help. It didn't take long before she spread the word and I had more work than I could handle. There are options for younger people today, you just have to be creative. Screw working for some big corporation, work for yourself.
Oh yea, work hard play hard was always true. I've owned most of my dream cars and motorcycles and done all kinds of racing over the years.
Really trying to make me feel like a jerk aren't you? Well I'm glad to hear your success. I know for fact many people on this forum treat it as a hobby and don't plan to quit. I even did a little survey on here one time. So my decision isn't uncommon. Altho most steep to lower nic. Maybe I'll get to 6 one of these days haha. Idk
My dream car is more than I ever could hope to afford. Well my ultimate dream car that is
No, I'm not trying to make you feel like a jerk so much as offering another perspective.
These forums used to be filled with old-timers just like me. Unfortunately many of them moved on when they quit vaping.
Which is sad, because I think these forums badly need their wisdom and insight.
Now more than ever.
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A friend of mine is willing to sell me one of his old e-cigs for a very cheap price. It works just fine and it's very nice to vape with (I've used it before) so there's no issue with discretely acquiring an e-cig. The only issue is how to hide it from my family. I'm 18 (19 in a few months) so obviously I don't need my family to make my decisions for me, but I also know when it's a good time to tell them things and when I should just keep it on the down low. Based on how my family is, vaping would definitely be a "down low" kind of thing. Would investing money in vaping (just as a hobby. It's not to get off of regular cigs or anything) be worth it if I could only vape freely in solitude or around (and occasionally with) my close and trusted friends?
Any relevant input is appreciated.
1: Vaping is not an 'investment' unless you are a smoker.
2: If you had your own place you wouldn't be talking about "The only issue is how to hide it from my family", so it's not so much a question of making your own decisions, it's really a question of respecting someone else's property.
My first car, sold before I was old enough to drive, was a 1969 Dodge Super Bee with a 440 Six pack and a 4 speed. Second was a 70 Hemi Challenger with a 4 speed. I've been through most of what GM and Mopar had to offer. Even a few exotics.
I have no plans to quit vaping. Of course, I had no plans to quit smoking, and see how that turned out.
I guess everyone has to make their own choices about what's important to *them* -- for me, if I have to vape the rest of my life in order to avoid smoking even one more cigarette, it's well worth it, and that's what I'll do.
As for nicotine... we all must just listen to our bodies, to know what's right -- when I started, I tried 18mg because the guys in the shop insisted that a pk a day smoker needed that much -- WRONG! It made me sick as a goat. So I tried 12mg, and it also made me sick as a goat, it just took a little longer to do it. So I had to go to 6mg, and finally I could vape regularly, enough to actually make it possible to give up the smokes -- but once they were gone, I had to increase my nic level several times in order to stay happy, and not chainvape every freaking waking minute, till I got to 10mg and stayed there for quite some time. Then I got the Achilles RDA, and the TH was so intense, I really had no choice but to go back to 9mg. Now I'm seeing a few signs that maybe I should drop again, to 8mg. I'm strongly considering dropping to about 5mg for the cold months, to see if it helps my painfully-cold hands and feet.
It's got nothing to do with morality, or health -- it's all about *comfort*. Nicotine is *relatively* harmless at "vaping dosage," but it IS a toxin, and we all have very individual tolerance to it, and that tolerance, apparently, can change without us making any effort to change it.
My strongest feeling is that even if I ever get to 0mg, I will most likely still vape, because 39 yrs of smoking engraved that behavior so deeply into my *self* that I doubt very seriously it will ever leave me. But I really have no plans to ever discontinue nicotine, because of family history of 2 different kinds of "senility," both alzheimers and "regular" geriatric dementia (plus I suffer from IBS, which nicotine seems to ease somewhat). Live really isn't worth living if you can't keep most of your marbles where they belong.
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if you don't smoke imo don't even bother. I look down on people who vape for "looks" yea it looks cool but many people vape to quit smoking and switch to a healthier alternative. I simply enjoy smoking but hate the taste and smell thus I switched. if you do smoke i'd simply stick to a 3mg nic juice other then that if you don't smoke this is a wasted investment on your part. if you are still wanting to vape 0mg nic and haven't smoke cigs before that's all up to you it's your money and your life do as you wish.
The only issue is how to hide it from my family. I'm 18 (19 in a few months) so obviously I don't need my family to make my decisions for me, but I also know when it's a good time to tell them things and when I should just keep it on the down low. Based on how my family is, vaping would definitely be a "down low" kind of thing. Would investing money in vaping (just as a hobby. It's not to get off of regular cigs or anything) be worth it if I could only vape freely in solitude or around (and occasionally with) my close and trusted friends?
Any relevant input is appreciated.
What exactly is it about vaping that is so important that you'd lie to your family?
I don't think I'll ever understand a fellow vaper who would tell a non-smoking wannabe vaper to not vape, even at 0 mg nic. Such ridiculous inconsistent rhetoric from these types that it is IMO not even worth paying attention to their (cough cough) wisdom.
The problem isn't the vaping... the problem is the lying about it. It's ridiculous, and if one is not in a position to actually *need* to vape in order to quit cigarettes, it's kinda pointless. If one smokes and wants to quit by using e-cigs, then sure vape away, lie away, whatever it takes. But to lie just for the fun of it... 
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I can't think of one good reason someone would take up vaping as a teenager if they have never smoked.
The problem isn't the vaping... the problem is the lying about it. It's ridiculous, and if one is not in a position to actually *need* to vape in order to quit cigarettes, it's kinda pointless. If one smokes and wants to quit by using e-cigs, then sure vape away, lie away, whatever it takes. But to lie just for the fun of it...
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So, should every vaper claim "I use tobacco products" on their insurance forms, when that question is given to them? Or lie about it? Dance around the issue, hem and haw, act as if they have sound logic that defeats the spirit of what is being asked directly to them?
I don't condone the hiding aspect of it, but is not really my place to judge that as I too lived at home and chose to take up a habit (or 5) that wasn't going to be openly welcomed by my parents, thus chose to hide it, like I dunno, all kids I've ever heard of.
OP is right when they say vaping (0 nic mind you) is soo tame compared to many other things they could be doing, that most of their peers are likely doing. IMO, this would be like a 19 year old jaywalking and then hiding that from their parents. Oh the humanity!
I can think of 5 reasons why. Whether they are "good" is a matter of opinion.
Like me saying as one who's gone cold turkey, I can't think of one good reason why a person would quit smoking via vaping rather than going cold turkey. Fortunately for all ex-smokers, it don't matter what my closed minded opinions would have to say. Plus, I wouldn't ever say that to a person who has desire to quit smoking. But it would be like that.
yeah, I can think of a lot more than 5 ... however, I just can't think of one good reason.
why I said not to vape? because of the fact 1. it costs money ( in order to get money you need a job even doing chores = a job basically some sort of income ). 2. why would you even invest money on something you don't even do which in return is smoking. Makes no sense to throw away money if you find that logical imo throw some of your cash to me. I honestly don't know anyone who vapes 0mg nic and works up that isn't a previous smoker. if he wanted to vape and start with nic yea that would be fine but he didn't state what nic level I believe so one can ONLY assume he is vaping 0mg if he is hiding it.
ontop of that I am in a similar position as him but I have a job, I am of age to smoke, and my parents KNOW I smoke so I have no need to hide it. one can simply take advice from others with a grain of salt and do what they see fit. if he wants to vape 0mg go ahead who am I to stop him but unless you have the money to blow on juices, coils, etc.. your just wasting money at that point that can be invested properly into say food, future house, future car, college, video games, w.e. something basically MORE useful
No, of course not, because vaping ISN'T a tobacco product, I don't give a rat's hindparts what the gov't has to say about it -- just calling a thing something doesn't actually MAKE IT that thing, regardless of the gov't idiocy. I will NEVER admire that buck nekkid emperor's new clothes.
I just know what a whole adolescence and young adulthood of dishonesty did to ME, and I can't recommend it. My advice would be, tell the truth about vaping, because it's ridiculous to lie about it. If they have a problem with it... move out. If that's not possible, then I guess lying is the only answer, but it's really asinine to lie about something so harmless -- sometimes you have to tell people what they want to hear, rather than the truth, if they're of such limited intelligence that they can't DEAL with truth.
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