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I'm not that worried about viruses/germs, the atomizer will take care of them, I think, but I do have to wonder about the ingredients that might be added and not mentioned, like ethyleneglycol or who knows what. JC and BMV have analysis of their juices posted, but then you still have to trust that the ingredient list stays the same, the lots are consistant and so on and so on and so on, well you get the idea. A certain level of trust is required, how many of us smoked tobacco cigarettes and never even gave more than maybe a passing thought about what was being added to them?
Only you can make the decision to DIY or not, when you have children present. If you keep the supplies locked away or out of their reach I don't see why it would be an issue. You are away from home a lot, I assume you have a responsible babysitter that would keep them from the DIY equipment if they are young enough to think you can make spiderman potions. As with any substance that contains poison or harmful ingredents care must be taken that you don't leave it laying around for any kid to get it, even our liquid that we don't DIY has child proof caps for a reason (which any child can open quicker than me).
Boy I bet if anyone asked these questions about tobacco, we wouldn't have smoked. 
Inhaling Bacteria with Cigarette Smoke: Scientific American
Inhaling Bacteria with Cigarette Smoke: Scientific American
My ejuice vendor is extremly safe and clean. Im a huge germophobe and knowing that alot of suppliers are working on kitchen tables out of houses made me very nervous.
My supplier showed me the lab where the juices are made. Ive never been in a more white room...lol. The lab was as clean as my doctors office.
Amazing juice made in a clean safe enviornment.
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My supplier showed me the lab where the juices are made. Ive never been in a more white room...lol. The lab was as clean as my doctors office.
Amazing juice made in a clean safe enviornment.
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LOL.. i was vaping when i read this, and had to put it down.
I think i may go back to the stinkies!..
hahaha
I've had the pleasure of meeting one of my fave vendors, they are really nice people, and clean too which is a bonus!
lol
Everything in life comes with a level of assumed risk. Do you force your doctor to wash his hand in front of you before performing their job with you? Do you tour the premises of your favorite restaurant every time you go?
Everyone trusts others to do the right thing way more than you realize you do.
Everyone trusts others to do the right thing way more than you realize you do.
I do ask any and all medical personnel to wash their hands prior to any hands on treatment, though that doesn't happen very often as most people that work in the medical field tend to do that anyway, not just for their patients, but for themselves. Thats a reasonable request.
There is a huge trust factor involved with anyone you do business with and don't know. I won't knock a vendor that's not using a sterile lab. I'm trying to think of exactly where the heck I would go in my house to DIY. Nah..I will leave the mixing to the pro's and trust them to do the right and clean thing.
Maybe I should send an occasional email and ask them not to forget to wash their hands, though.
There is a huge trust factor involved with anyone you do business with and don't know. I won't knock a vendor that's not using a sterile lab. I'm trying to think of exactly where the heck I would go in my house to DIY. Nah..I will leave the mixing to the pro's and trust them to do the right and clean thing.
Maybe I should send an occasional email and ask them not to forget to wash their hands, though.
Naturally there is an inherent risk with everything, but it's your money. You have the right to demand quality and safety.
Personally, I do demand quality and safety which is why i am so comfortable with my vendor. (That and they make awesome juice)
I didn't have the option to demand quality and safety when i smoked stinkies...Now i do. Just another wonderful bonus in the world of vaping.
Personally, I do demand quality and safety which is why i am so comfortable with my vendor. (That and they make awesome juice)
I didn't have the option to demand quality and safety when i smoked stinkies...Now i do. Just another wonderful bonus in the world of vaping.
There are quite a few vendors out there who are either posting pictures or videos of where they are making their juices. I recently saw a video posted on Youtube of Pink Spot Vapors new facilities and it definitely put my mind to ease with them. I think it would be really helpful if all juice vendors put something like this on their website.
well I like dealing with local shops if you have any.
I also would not trust the government to regulate your vendors.
I have been in food service management not too long ago and the "self policing" of them were far more effective than our trusted government's health inspections.
As said before DIY and keep it safe...
I also would not trust the government to regulate your vendors.
I have been in food service management not too long ago and the "self policing" of them were far more effective than our trusted government's health inspections.
As said before DIY and keep it safe...
Just thinking about what it looks like when the cameras leave. Sorry, I'm too cynical for my own good sometimes, LOL.
Agreed. In my early days of vaping, I would order from any vendor without thought. But as time went on, I got to wondering how many of these small vendors were mixing in their kitchens which are the most germ-ridden rooms in virtually any household.
This is one of the things that pushed me towards DIY. Sure I mix in my kitchen, but I vacuum, disinfect, and scrub the living daylights out of it before pulling out my DIY supplies. Oh yea, and the cat stays in the basement.
There are layers upon layers of assumptions you make when you walk out your front door to operate in the world. Other drivers may be drunk, your chef may have the flu -and they don't get sick pay so they come to work. I'm just saying that people are sometimes placated by superficial displays of doing things properly. The restaurant you eat at is nowhere near lab grade clean. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's unsafe either. And somethings are not within your vendors control, akin to the tainted lettuce from California that winds up at Ruby Tuesdays salad bar.
We give the benefit of doubt much more than we think, else we would all live in bubbles.
We give the benefit of doubt much more than we think, else we would all live in bubbles.
I have celiac disease, which means I can't eat wheat/rye/barley/others- any grain that contains the protein gluten. This isn't an allergy- it's an autoimmune disorder that causes the body's immune system to attack and destroy the villi of the small intestine, without which the body is unable to absorb nutrients into the bloodstream. It takes very little gluten to produce this response- less than a crumb can do it in some cases, and it can make you very, very ill. If left undiagnosed, it can cause malnutrition, anemia, osteoporosis, and cancer.
The only treatment is to stop consuming gluten. This means no bread, pasta, flour tortillas, cookies, pies, cakes, gravies or soups thickened with flour, nothing breaded or batter dipped, etc etc and most processed foods, 'cause it's used as filler or preservatives in so many things you never would dream of.
What this means is that there are many many restaurants that I can't even have a salad in anymore, because they won't keep things segregated from each other, so when I find places that I can trust, I'm thrilled to death. Once I've explained my problem to the manager of that restaurant and my server, I'm putting my intestinal health in their hands.
You would think this would make me very paranoid, and at first, it did. When I was first diagnosed, I weighed about 95 lbs and was too weak to go out much anyway, but it was a very long time before I even tried, because I was terrified of contamination. Over the years, I've been learning to read labels, learning to ask questions, learning that all the things you can have do still out number what you can't and that sometimes, things are going to get ugly no matter what you do because you can't control the world. Life is messy, life is chaos, life is dirt, bacteria, mold, fungi and slime, and life is not gluten-free.
You can make yourself really crazy trying to, or you can roll with the punches, take responsibility for your own life, and realize that risking a dirty spoon in your tea while laughing in your neighbor's messy kitchen with her waffle-crumb encrusted toddler giving you sticky kisses on the mouth is totally worth it. Or not. YMMV.
I don't sweat it anymore- I do the best I can to protect myself, but I'm not going to refuse to eat at someone else's house just because they don't segregate things like I do at mine- I'm just careful not to touch the bread.
Basically, the point I'm making here is that even if your vendor is mixing stuff in their kitchen with kids underfoot- why should that gross you out so much? If your neighbor brings you a plate of x-mas cookies or a loaf of banana bread from their kitchen, would you throw it out because it might be contaminated or because you haven't inspected her kitchen? In my case, I'd give it to my kids, unless it was gluten-free and prepared with me in mind, but still.
The only treatment is to stop consuming gluten. This means no bread, pasta, flour tortillas, cookies, pies, cakes, gravies or soups thickened with flour, nothing breaded or batter dipped, etc etc and most processed foods, 'cause it's used as filler or preservatives in so many things you never would dream of.
What this means is that there are many many restaurants that I can't even have a salad in anymore, because they won't keep things segregated from each other, so when I find places that I can trust, I'm thrilled to death. Once I've explained my problem to the manager of that restaurant and my server, I'm putting my intestinal health in their hands.
You would think this would make me very paranoid, and at first, it did. When I was first diagnosed, I weighed about 95 lbs and was too weak to go out much anyway, but it was a very long time before I even tried, because I was terrified of contamination. Over the years, I've been learning to read labels, learning to ask questions, learning that all the things you can have do still out number what you can't and that sometimes, things are going to get ugly no matter what you do because you can't control the world. Life is messy, life is chaos, life is dirt, bacteria, mold, fungi and slime, and life is not gluten-free.
You can make yourself really crazy trying to, or you can roll with the punches, take responsibility for your own life, and realize that risking a dirty spoon in your tea while laughing in your neighbor's messy kitchen with her waffle-crumb encrusted toddler giving you sticky kisses on the mouth is totally worth it. Or not. YMMV.
I don't sweat it anymore- I do the best I can to protect myself, but I'm not going to refuse to eat at someone else's house just because they don't segregate things like I do at mine- I'm just careful not to touch the bread.
Basically, the point I'm making here is that even if your vendor is mixing stuff in their kitchen with kids underfoot- why should that gross you out so much? If your neighbor brings you a plate of x-mas cookies or a loaf of banana bread from their kitchen, would you throw it out because it might be contaminated or because you haven't inspected her kitchen? In my case, I'd give it to my kids, unless it was gluten-free and prepared with me in mind, but still.
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I don't scrub the kitchen "squeaky" clean each time I prepare food, afterall, most of it is cooked at fairly high temperatures that I (we) rely upon to kill off things that might not be good for us. I don't inspect the manufacturing plant that makes the ingredients I use either, I assume that they maintain things as clean as is practical in an industrial environment and I am going to subject them to high heat anyway. I know high heat won't fix things that are inherently bad for me, like chemicals that get mixed in either deliberately or by accident, and accept that as a normal risk. The same is true of liquids, afterall, they are "cooked" by the atomizer in a similar fashion to food, maybe even better since what is produced is actually a form of steam and steam is a great way to sterilize. I know, an autoclave needs extended times,on the order of 15-30 minutes or longer, to really sterilize, but then again I don't autoclave my food, yuck what a thought!
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