Is your e juice vendor safe and clean?

[Engraced]

I'm not really sure this is much different than the cigarettes we all used to smoke. Filth from any of the workers interacting directly with the tobacco would leave some sort of residue behind. Nevermind insects that got caught up in the tobacco leaves.

And, if you're anything like me and enjoyed the occasional hand-rolled cigar, well, what ever was on the roller's hands just added to the flavor. Which isn't terribly surprising given that certain brands would identify the roller, and cigars from different rollers would taste different. Granted, a lot of flexibility comes into play on which leaves you choose, how tightly/loosely it is folded, the style of the fold, et cetera. But it always made me wonder how two cigars from the same tobacco crop, but rolled by two people would taste different....

More to the point, everything, including vaping, has an assumed risk. I shop with BombayVaping and Johnson Creek because I like their customer service, I like their products, and their juice consistently tests at the level it is labeled to be. Not because they're any cleaner/safer/whatever.

 

[ohai]

You can never know about food or other consumables, including juices that you vape. There's some solace in knowing that nic kills larger organisms such as insects and probably isn't a good medium for growing bacterial cultures. I don't worry much about bacteria and viruses in my e-juice, but I'd hate to know someone sneezed in the batch before my bottle was drawn.

That's why they don't tell you when they have a cold.

 

[Xaiver]

Oh...and if you really thing the government is going to help with regulations...hop over to google and search for strange things found in food.

There are some pretty disgusting things there, now I'm not saying that they're all true...but everything that you'll find is regulated by the government...

 

[ohai]

Oh...and if you really thing the government is going to help with regulations...hop over to google and search for strange things found in food.

There are some pretty disgusting things there, now I'm not saying that they're all true...but everything that you'll find is regulated by the government...

It is, actually, and as it turns out, it's ok with them:

The Food Defect Action Levels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Xaiver]

It is, actually, and as it turns out, it's ok with them:

The Food Defect Action Levels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you think that the government will make you feel better about how clean your liquid is....I'm going to step out on a ledge and suggest that their laws would be more lax than what we currently have. The bad vendors really dont stay in business long though.

 

[dragonbone]

As for me, I'll keep trusting the hairy guy with the pack of feral dogs wrestling over a turkey carcass under the mixing table. He makes real good juice.

Hehe.... True .

 

[DaveP]

I'm not really sure this is much different than the cigarettes we all used to smoke. Filth from any of the workers interacting directly with the tobacco would leave some sort of residue behind. Nevermind insects that got caught up in the tobacco leaves.

I always wondered what that little pop was that blew a hole in the side of a cigarette once in a while. I'm thinking now that it may have been an exploding insect carcass. And, then there was that occasional poof that resulted in a plume of sizzle and extra smoke that happened sometimes. I figured the hot coal sanitized whatever it was.

Everything we vape gets to 200 degrees or better. That's about the point where e-juice sizzles and produces vapor. Just don't lick the bottle.

 

[Engraced]

Just don't lick the bottle.

But...but...That's half the fun of getting new juice! </ sarcasm>

 

[genelman]

Volcano E-Liquid is made in an FDA approved clean lab, and batch test each batch to make sure the mix is right.

Volcano Cigs | Volcano Electronic Cigarette | Volcano Electronic Cigarettes

Thank you for sharing this.

 

[jch419]

I'll trust vendors way before I trust our government.

Restaurant inspections are a joke. Throw a few bucks in the right direction and see how fast the satisfactory inspection certs fly.

Ctor....right on with that one!! Any respectable juice business cares about the well-being of their customers on their own with or without 'regulation' this country has enough regulations that's why everything is overpriced and the economy is still in shambles. Anyway, we should just relax and enjoy our juice, it is very likely that there is anything 'unclean' about any of it

...vendors use new bottles, plus PG is a natural preservative up to 2 years. Other than that, keeping equipment clean is not a difficult task. I imagine a business owner's love and pride for their business is enough to feel confident that the owner does the right thing.

So with that being said, I am positive that most all suppliers are keeping their equipment clean, but good questions....vape on everyone.

 

[classwife]

Moved to General E-Liquid Discussion from General E-Smoking Discussion

 

[menthall]

It's a horrible thought, and I try to block it from my mind... ostrich style hehe... Some fat, stinky, unwashed hillbilly scratching his bare hairy chest and fixing juices in an unclean place with dirty hands and long black fingernails etc. I doubt that is the scenario at all lol, but kind of a nightmarish thought, (that insists on popping in my head) that I try hard not to focus on.

Lol- this gave me a bad visual.

 

[jplanet]

I can understand the illusion of trust that comes with the idea of government regulating something - I am quite liberal in that department - I don't trust food companies to recall products with salmonella, etc. But, in the case of ejuice, I think that government regulation would have the net effect of snuffing out the industry entirely, making it a feasible business venture for only the biggest and most powerful corporations. Who have the power to lobby. Which means, they would lobby to allow certain amounts of toxins and foreign substances "scientifically deemed as safe-enough" as they do with everything else. Just imagine if these standards were applied to ejuice, it would take FAR more than a dog hair on a label for a product to be deemed unsafe.

Some lovely examples quoted from this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/opinion/13levy.html


Tomato juice, for example, may average “10 or more fly eggs per 100 grams [the equivalent of a small juice glass] or five or more fly eggs and one or more maggots.” Tomato paste and other pizza sauces are allowed a denser infestation — 30 or more fly eggs per 100 grams or 15 or more fly eggs and one or more maggots per 100 grams.

Canned mushrooms may have “over 20 or more maggots of any size per 100 grams of drained mushrooms and proportionate liquid” or “five or more maggots two millimeters or longer per 100 grams of drained mushrooms and proportionate liquid” or an “average of 75 mites” before provoking action by the F.D.A.

The sauerkraut on your hot dog may average up to 50 thrips. And when washing down those tiny, slender, winged bugs with a sip of beer, you might consider that just 10 grams of hops could have as many as 2,500 plant lice. Yum.

Giving new meaning to the idea of spicing up one’s food, curry powder is allowed 100 or more bug bits per 25 grams; ground thyme up to 925 insect fragments per 10 grams; ground pepper up to 475 insect parts per 50 grams. One small shaker of cinnamon could have more than 20 rodent hairs before being considered defective.

Peanut butter — that culinary cause célèbre — may contain approximately 145 bug parts for an 18-ounce jar; or five or more rodent hairs for that same jar; or more than 125 milligrams of grit.

 

[oldgloria]

Mountain Oak Vapors® Certified Laboratory E-Liquid Analysis GCMS
Want to know whats in your e-juice? We'll show you!
this is on their website!! great juice in sealed glass dropper bottles.

 

[jplanet]

Another quick thought - I don't think impurities are, or ever will be the major issue with ejuices. The vapor is heated to a temperature that would kill any bacteria or viruses. The problems come down to the effects of certain flavorings on individuals, allergies, etc., and the fact that not a single vendor accurately lists all of the ingredients. Even DIYers cannot profess to know every single compound that is present in the flavorings they use.

I have only purchased from vendors who profess to use sanitary conditions, but have had several juices that made me physically ill. Many vendors have been helpful in trying to nail down which flavorings may be at fault, but even with their help, I haven't found any information that is certain.

It would take massive controlled studies involving thousands of participants over several years before we can even begin to understand what combinations of ingredients cause problems for some people. If strict regulation and testing ever happens, we will probably be left with the least common denominator of a small handful of flavors that work for everyone.

 

[Stinknugget]

I won't mention the vendor but I found a roach leg in one of my bottles of juice. Actually it was in there after I filled a tank so it could have been in a cartomizer. I find that a little less realistic though considering the cartos are sealed. I've never had roaches in my house so it didn't come from here.

Does roach leg increase TH? Just wondering.

 

[trpxcst]

Does roach leg increase TH? Just wondering.

Nah, man. TH is about the same, but man does it kick out the vapor!!!!

 

[Mr.Mann]

I like this post! It doesn't upset me, but it does set my mind at ease knowing how resilient we are. Plus, I have a pet, so I already know I consume pet hair and (unfortunately) waste.

I can understand the illusion of trust that comes with the idea of government regulating something - I am quite liberal in that department - I don't trust food companies to recall products with salmonella, etc. But, in the case of ejuice, I think that government regulation would have the net effect of snuffing out the industry entirely, making it a feasible business venture for only the biggest and most powerful corporations. Who have the power to lobby. Which means, they would lobby to allow certain amounts of toxins and foreign substances "scientifically deemed as safe-enough" as they do with everything else. Just imagine if these standards were applied to ejuice, it would take FAR more than a dog hair on a label for a product to be deemed unsafe.

Some lovely examples quoted from this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/opinion/13levy.html

Tomato juice, for example, may average “10 or more fly eggs per 100 grams [the equivalent of a small juice glass] or five or more fly eggs and one or more maggots.” Tomato paste and other pizza sauces are allowed a denser infestation — 30 or more fly eggs per 100 grams or 15 or more fly eggs and one or more maggots per 100 grams.

Canned mushrooms may have “over 20 or more maggots of any size per 100 grams of drained mushrooms and proportionate liquid” or “five or more maggots two millimeters or longer per 100 grams of drained mushrooms and proportionate liquid” or an “average of 75 mites” before provoking action by the F.D.A.

The sauerkraut on your hot dog may average up to 50 thrips. And when washing down those tiny, slender, winged bugs with a sip of beer, you might consider that just 10 grams of hops could have as many as 2,500 plant lice. Yum.

Giving new meaning to the idea of spicing up one’s food, curry powder is allowed 100 or more bug bits per 25 grams; ground thyme up to 925 insect fragments per 10 grams; ground pepper up to 475 insect parts per 50 grams. One small shaker of cinnamon could have more than 20 rodent hairs before being considered defective.

Peanut butter — that culinary cause célèbre — may contain approximately 145 bug parts for an 18-ounce jar; or five or more rodent hairs for that same jar; or more than 125 milligrams of grit.

Today is the 4th of July and as I am typing this it feels like I am literally in the middle of a raging war--these "fireworks" are more like bombs and are being launched by what seems to be every other house! Whether these fireworks manufactures are regulated or not, and if these people shooting them off took every possible precaution--if one of those fireworks slightly misfired and came through my window, I'd likely be badly disfigured if not worse--it may be fantastic, but catastrophic nonetheless.

My point is there is no safe place to hide or exist in--maybe saf(er), but not safe--and that is the price we pay for being alive. There are no guarantees, even with regulation--maybe a better sense of security, but still no real guarantee. I understand and respect your concerns about cleanliness and safety, but I truly believe this is a non-issue, at least for me.

 

[BlueSun!]

I never thought about this but would like to think my brand is safe. I have only bought 2 bottles since I have only been vaping a bit over 6 months. But to the ppl that DIY, how do you do this? I would guess you buy glycerine? But what about the nicotine and flavoring?

 

[OnnaB]

OMG! Have any of you watched "Restaurant Impossible"???? Some of those places are DISGUSTING!! Watch it a few times...you'll learn why you can trust a restaurant inspection...BLECH!!!