Ithaka official

[Scott_Simpson]

Dave Dorn of VapourTrails TV did a live video setup of the Ithaka on The Haze Hour, and he discovered what appears to be an internal short in the ceramic housing. I wonder if that was an isolated issue with his specific unit, or if there is something we need to be aware of? (The coverage of the Ithaka starts at about 22:00 minute in ...). Dave's no novice when it comes to GG stuff (he's a regular user and heavy promoter of both the Ody and Penny), so this is an interesting/concerning find ... what do you all think?

 

[CyberDj]

I think he did quite many mistakes during the set up but the main was not to fix the negative wire correctly, not even wrap it around the wick (Peny style). Inproper negative connections create many issues including jumping ohms and short alarm on eletronic devices...

 

[Aal_]

Imeo, what is the problem with having single coil with 2 wicks parallel, and you don't move the coil to the center? Like you did on the first prototype video.

 

[fright88]

I think he did quite many mistakes during the set up but the main was not to fix the negative wire correctly, not even wrap it around the wick (Peny style). Inproper negative connections create many issues including jumping ohms and short alarm on eletronic devices...

While I agree completely he did find the ceramic housing and center post were shorting without the wire. Which means that center post is touching the ceramic housing somewhere. Hope he is able to get it straightened out.

 

[imeothanasis]

problem is that we lose some liquid on the wick that has no coil on it aal. This liquid cant get vaporised.

Imeo, what is the problem with having single coil with 2 wicks parallel, and you don't move the coil to the center? Like you did on the first prototype video.

 

[ChrisEU]

It was painful to watch DD trying on the Ithaka, and the comments in the chat reflected that, as most people thought it would be a difficult process and they would never consider buying it.
While it is possible that his specific rebuildable part was internally shorting out, I don't think that is a common problem. I can tell you that mine wasn't - and we had no such reports in the German forums yet.

 

[Rene.one]

I watch every video from you ;-)

I make parallel coils.
Now I make a setup with 2x1,6 parallel and I use 2mm Silika. The first time I use 3mm. Now its better.

Which effect the distance have?

Check my video Rene. Did you do it as I did? Do you make parallel coils with zero distance between them?

 

[imeothanasis]

The only I can think off is that plastic between center post and ceramic housing is faulty fright. Dave has to dissasemble the center post and check the plastic

While I agree completely he did find the ceramic housing and center post were shorting without the wire. Which means that center post is touching the ceramic housing somewhere. Hope he is able to get it straightened out.

 

[imeothanasis]

Just do it as I did it Rene. Push the coils until they meet each other
I use 3mm wick all the time and my video too

I watch every video from you ;-)

I make parallel coils.
Now I make a setup with 2x1,6 parallel and I use 2mm Silika. The first time I use 3mm. Now its better.

Which effect the distance have?

 

[Aal_]

problem is that we lose some liquid on the wick that has no coil on it aal. This liquid cant get vaporised.

What I mean is what is the problem if I don't push the coil to the center and keep it on the side?

 

[imeothanasis]

Ithaka is the easiest to built atomizer, thats for sure. Dave had a problem with its unit of course. Also he didnt put negative wire under the nut, so he made the procedure a little difficult without a reason. Then by mistake he put basic feeding upsidedown. And he tried to put the coils on ceramic while he was keeping the rebuildable part in hand, when putting rebuildable part in a table gets the job very easy.

Maybe Dave missed my latest video about Ithaka and he tried to follow my directions from the old video and on an Ithaka prototype (Not the final product)

 

[imeothanasis]

What I mean is what is the problem if I don't push the coil to the center and keep it on the side?

air passes between wicks and not under the coil aal.

 

[Scott_Simpson]

Ithaka is the easiest to built atomizer, thats for sure. Dave had a problem with its unit of course. Also he didnt put negative wire under the nut, so he made the procedure a little difficult without a reason. Then by mistake he put basic feeding upsidedown. And he tried to put the coils on ceramic while he was keeping the rebuildable part in hand, when putting rebuildable part in a table gets the job very easy.

Maybe Dave missed my latest video about Ithaka and he tried to follow my directions from the old video and on an Ithaka prototype (Not the final product)

All you say is true, Imeo, but Dave stressed that this was a completely "live" first look at the Ithaka, and his first attempt at rebuilding it, so for that reason, I think this is a valuable video ... at least, it was for me. After all, Dave is in the same position as most of us—some experience with Oddyseus and/or Penelope—and we're going to be seeing Ithaka for the first time and discovering that for all its similarities, Ithaka is quite different than either Ody or Penny. And even considering Dave's mistakes in assembling Ithaka, that still can't explain the apparent short between post and housing ... what do you think it is, Imeo? Any ideas?

 

[imeothanasis]

I understand that live videos have those problems and I agree with you Scott. I didnt say something bad about Dave as you show, I just pointed what he did wrong, so the video came too long and people may think that Ithaka is difficult to be build while exactly the opposite is happening.

As I said to my 2410 post, the plastic between center post and ceramic housing is ruined. Dave needs a new small plastic part. But he can also put an o-ring there if he wants to make a video about Ithaka before he receives a new plastic.
I will contact him today about this

 

[Scott_Simpson]

Thanks, Imeo! I'm eagerly awaiting Ithaka from COV ... hopefully, just a few days more!

 

[imeothanasis]

I think that in 2 days they will be on Bruce's hands Scott

 

[hifistud]

The only I can think off is that plastic between center post and ceramic housing is faulty fright. Dave has to dissasemble the center post and check the plastic

The centre pin was, indeed, shorting against the metal ceramic holder - where there ought to be, I would think, a sleeved washer, there is a plastic washer, which allows the centre pin to touch the metal housing. There is no insulation between the pin and the housing. Even a slight mis-alignment will cause a short.

 

[imeothanasis]

The distance between center post and ceramic housing is 0,5mm per side so we dont need an insulator there Hifi. So if this was the issue, I suspect that your center post was loosy. Maybe I forgot to tight it, so please do it by keeping with pliers the center post and screw by hand as hard as you can the ceramic housing. Also, after you tight it, you can align it like this

http://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=ibvAtDmLm4g&ns=1

 

[cookiejar]

How can I contact Vassili?

 

[imeothanasis]

here you go cook

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