It's about the money. 12,655,301,945.00 collected as of this post.
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I'm all for conspiracy theories but it doesn't apply here. The government actually loses tax revenue every time they hike the ciggy tax because of people who quit or cut down in response and they're well aware of it. Of course, being hopelessly addicted, I've endured each of these hikes (paying over $7/pack currently) and would love to scream conspiracy but they're only losing money on the increased taxes. In turn, big tobacco has to raise its prices for us remaining smokers in order to cover their losses on the tobacco lawsuits for which we were the victims.
Now, is the gov't in the pocket of big tobacco and pharma? Certainly. This is the real conspiracy.
Now, is the gov't in the pocket of big tobacco and pharma? Certainly. This is the real conspiracy.
Nicotine extraction without all the "crap" comming along for the ride is not an easy venture. The best leads are at the Physics and Chemistry forums, where the threads go 6+ pages and multiple, multiple steps...
This was one of the best ones that I found so far: Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Powered by XMB 1.9.11
This was one of the best ones that I found so far: Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Powered by XMB 1.9.11
Of course its about money.
If it was about health, the FDA and the goverment would try to investigate and approve the e-cigs as fast as possible. And not only that they should then heavy tax tabaco as incentive to move away to e-cigs or even ban tabaco completely now that there is a safer alternative.
If it was about health they would be paying smokers to move to vapor instead.
FDA = Food and Drug Administration.
Nicotine drug?
Nicotine and vapor food?
I think its more like:
FDA = Federal Dollar Asociation
If it was about health, the FDA and the goverment would try to investigate and approve the e-cigs as fast as possible. And not only that they should then heavy tax tabaco as incentive to move away to e-cigs or even ban tabaco completely now that there is a safer alternative.
If it was about health they would be paying smokers to move to vapor instead.
FDA = Food and Drug Administration.
Nicotine drug?
Nicotine and vapor food?
I think its more like:
FDA = Federal Dollar Asociation
Its a fact,the tax revenue loss is a huge reason for the FDA halting imports of E-cigs. Fortunately for us(unlike the liquor prohibition) we have the internet to spread our message. The government knows that it could never stop all of this, and as long as we communicate in forums....Vaping will survive in one form or another.
The thing is... it will be harder to justify an e-cig tax. The argument they use for tobacco taxes is that it covers lost revenues for smoking-related health issues. Since e-cigs do not appear to cause these issues there is little justification for such a tax. I think they will have to be satisfied with sales tax. LOL....and that is 13% in Cook County!
And yet not one dime of the taxes collected or the tobacco settlement has gone to help a smoker or address smoking related costs.
I wonder if there is some government report somewhere on exactly where all that cash went?
Not being argumentative, just stating as it is general info I would like to know.
Thanks! Great information there.
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There are some concerning things there though as well, for example:
Well, convenience stores just need to start carrying more e-cig brands!
And tobacco makers hurting in the pocketbook? Who could stand for such a thing....
Otherwise a decent site, but I was hoping for more of a breakdown as to specific projects, rather than a basic outline... I'll keep googling
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If it was purely about taxes surely they would just apply similar taxes to e-cigs, carts and juice after approving them. IMO it's more about brown envelopes being handed to the right people by the big tobacco companies.
Which might happen if we don't keep on our toes. We do NOT Want to pay tobacco taxes on E-liquid.
Who has the number of people that have quit tobacco and moved to vaping? I don't believe that number is large enough to have more than a drop in a bucket effect on tax revenue.
Governments use taxes to modify behavior as much as to collect revenue.
Governments use taxes to modify behavior as much as to collect revenue.
Just as certain lawyer activists use lawsuits to change law (the rest of us have to do it the old fashioned way with proposals and petitions and lots and lots of legwork.
Now that the tobacco taxes are disproportionately high and people are quitting in record numbers, I suspect there are plans on the table for taxing other much larger and easily demonized groups-- it won't be long before we see proposals for fat taxes, cell phone taxes, mileage taxes, junk food taxes, etc.
I doubt our precious e-juice is going to be taxed because nicotine is used commercially for pesticide, unless the wording is *extremely* clear in any and all legislation the big agriculture (aka factory farmers, many of which also keep lobbyists in Washington) would have a ROYAL tantrum and food prices would directly reflect the increase in cost.
This doesn't mean protecting our devices and juice isn't important-- but we need to be aware that although we're the weird unpopular kids on the playground, our best metaphorical friend is also the biggest kid in class.
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