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IT'S ASSUMED WE CAN ALL VAPE PROPERLY
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Neal .8-1 ohm is my sweet spot for vaping as well. Yhstvsrrns to provide the best flavor.
I cannot imagine how confusing and overwhelming it must be to start vaping now. Welcome to vaping and welcome to ECF. I hope you find the guidance that you need here.
In the beginning the inevitable comparisons will be drawn. Eventually, you'll find yourself letting go of those comparisons and you'll stop thinking of vaping as a way to avoid analogs and you'll start taking it on its own terms. Give yourself time to go through the changes. It will happen, but on a time scale unique to you.
There's nothing wrong with using MTL (mouth to lung--like a cigarette where you draw it into your mouth first and then inhale) hits when you're starting. I know people say you can't do that with mods and whatnot, but I can and sometimes I do when I'm fighting a cold or I have a sore throat. Direct lung hits work best and provide me with a deeper sense of satisfaction, but that's me and it may or may not hold true for you. When I was transitioning to e-cigs, my gear was meant for MTL hits. I don't think I could have done a direct lung hit without coughing at that time. I'm confident I couldn't handle the gear I have now.
Sub-ohm vaping is using a coil (or a build) that's below 1.0 Ohms. This is all the rave now, but it's not for everyone. I prefer a longer draw so I tend to build a bit higher. Give yourself permission to explore and make mistakes. It's OK. It will take time for you to find the right gear for your needs. If you find that you like 1.2Ohm coils, you're not any less of a vaper than someone who is rocking 0.15Ohms. Gotta go with what works for you and it can take come trial and error to get there.
One caveat to that "it's OK to make mistakes" thing. All those warnings about battery safety and using proper chargers and not keeping batteries in your pocket with your keys and all that is-it-hyperbole-or-is-it-true, we mean that. You don't want to make those mistakes. It's not hyperbole. Please, ask questions if you're not sure if what you're doing is safe. We want you here and we want to help. We don't want you to be another headline. With your battery, please only use the official charger and do not leave it on charge after it is done charging.
Hope you enjoy your visits here as much as I enjoy mine.
In the beginning the inevitable comparisons will be drawn. Eventually, you'll find yourself letting go of those comparisons and you'll stop thinking of vaping as a way to avoid analogs and you'll start taking it on its own terms. Give yourself time to go through the changes. It will happen, but on a time scale unique to you.
There's nothing wrong with using MTL (mouth to lung--like a cigarette where you draw it into your mouth first and then inhale) hits when you're starting. I know people say you can't do that with mods and whatnot, but I can and sometimes I do when I'm fighting a cold or I have a sore throat. Direct lung hits work best and provide me with a deeper sense of satisfaction, but that's me and it may or may not hold true for you. When I was transitioning to e-cigs, my gear was meant for MTL hits. I don't think I could have done a direct lung hit without coughing at that time. I'm confident I couldn't handle the gear I have now.
Sub-ohm vaping is using a coil (or a build) that's below 1.0 Ohms. This is all the rave now, but it's not for everyone. I prefer a longer draw so I tend to build a bit higher. Give yourself permission to explore and make mistakes. It's OK. It will take time for you to find the right gear for your needs. If you find that you like 1.2Ohm coils, you're not any less of a vaper than someone who is rocking 0.15Ohms. Gotta go with what works for you and it can take come trial and error to get there.
One caveat to that "it's OK to make mistakes" thing. All those warnings about battery safety and using proper chargers and not keeping batteries in your pocket with your keys and all that is-it-hyperbole-or-is-it-true, we mean that. You don't want to make those mistakes. It's not hyperbole. Please, ask questions if you're not sure if what you're doing is safe. We want you here and we want to help. We don't want you to be another headline. With your battery, please only use the official charger and do not leave it on charge after it is done charging.
Hope you enjoy your visits here as much as I enjoy mine.
Two things
A Kayfun can be a very satisfying tasty vape. In MTL.
2. The battery with coins of keys is not entirely hyperbole. 40 years ago I was driving with a 9V battery in my pocket. It made contact with a quarter and the battery got so hot it burned my leg and had to toss it out the window.
Thanks JavaJunkie, I found your post really useful, none-patronising and very welcoming. Much appreciated. 
My take on this topic is that everyone starts vaping like they smoked (throat hit and tight draw being the hallmarks) because that's the easiest way to make the transition, but then something happens - the vaper begins to experiment and may see vaping as a thing totally separate from smoking, a pleasure in and of itself. That's when the cloud volume and vape temperature start to matter. I remember when I first started taking full, warm lung hits from a new RDA, and realized how much more satisfying it was (for me). Pretty soon all my old 'mouth to lung' gear was given away or retired.
But the transition needs to happen organically, I think. Out of curiosity or whatnot, rather than peer pressure or advertising. It's just something that vapers come upon on their own. You can't just hand a wide open dual coil RDA to a newbie vaper and say 'This is a REAL vape' - that just won't work. I think it would be too overwhelming and weird.
But the transition needs to happen organically, I think. Out of curiosity or whatnot, rather than peer pressure or advertising. It's just something that vapers come upon on their own. You can't just hand a wide open dual coil RDA to a newbie vaper and say 'This is a REAL vape' - that just won't work. I think it would be too overwhelming and weird.
I've tried lung hitting ... juice volume alone is a major deterrent for me 
I DIY my eLiquid ... so it's not the cost.
I've been vaping the same way for over 2 years ... I've pretty much got my vape dialled in
I DIY my eLiquid ... so it's not the cost.
I've been vaping the same way for over 2 years ... I've pretty much got my vape dialled in
Could not say it better or agree more. I almost lost a friend by recommending the Subtank mini. She couldn't do the big air and went back to her tight draws.
Exactly. Not hyperbole. As you unfortunately experienced, it's not just 18650 batteries either. Never want to complete the circuit in your pocket. Just like I won't use a bulging, rusted, leaking AA battery, I won't use a iffy looking 18650. Not worth the risk.
I've spoken to new vapers who dismiss these concerns. They regard the warnings as chavish. I wonder if we're getting into crying wolf with all of the warnings on so many things. But, that's a discussion for another thread.
That makes complete sense. I would imagine that I would have collapsed in a heap if I took a mouth to lung hit on my first attempt. I'm just looking at my first bit of gear which I still think is pretty cool and I occasionally use it when I'm in the mood for something 'less.' I don't know the full specs but it's a cigarette type by JAC and has a recharge unit for when you're out which is very handy as the battery doesn't last that long. Now, I'm enjoying the mouth to lung hit most of the time and as you said, it's much more satisfying, for me.
Really glad I found this place, it definitely is the place to learn. Thanks Noble Gas
NEVER USE A SUB OHM TANK ON A MECH MOD. The result could be explosive if you use sketchy batteries.
Sounds like you're describing a switch from "Mouth to Lung" to "Lung hit" vaping.
A lot of the newer gear is designed more for lung hits - which means bigger clouds, derived from lower resistance coils and more airflow.
You can really experiment a thousand variations along the way - with a rebuildable especially, coil resistance, coil design (duals, twisted, higher, lower, near the middle our out at the edge), airflow, even different drip tips - ALL affect the vape.
Some folks prefer a tighter draw, and find more intense flavor without all the air.
Some just don't like the lung hit.
It's all good!
I was happy vaping a tight draw - even with my first rebuildables, but have moved to "medium air lung hits". I don't like VERY sub-ohm or VERY open air - but I also no longer prefer the tiny holes of my first collection of atomizers...
Part of the fun is experimenting and trying new gear - though it can get expensive too!
I have stuff that's fine, and a decent variety of it - so I only buy new things when they REALLY catch my eye, or after I've waited out the initial reviews and can't resist any more.
A lot of the newer gear is designed more for lung hits - which means bigger clouds, derived from lower resistance coils and more airflow.
You can really experiment a thousand variations along the way - with a rebuildable especially, coil resistance, coil design (duals, twisted, higher, lower, near the middle our out at the edge), airflow, even different drip tips - ALL affect the vape.
Some folks prefer a tighter draw, and find more intense flavor without all the air.
Some just don't like the lung hit.
It's all good!
I was happy vaping a tight draw - even with my first rebuildables, but have moved to "medium air lung hits". I don't like VERY sub-ohm or VERY open air - but I also no longer prefer the tiny holes of my first collection of atomizers...
Part of the fun is experimenting and trying new gear - though it can get expensive too!
I have stuff that's fine, and a decent variety of it - so I only buy new things when they REALLY catch my eye, or after I've waited out the initial reviews and can't resist any more.
Don't do it. Please.
If you are seriously considering something like this, you can buy exactly the same product for much less money. I know because I own both the unbranded and branded versions of this product. I have even done a review on both.
I learned that lesson long before lithium ions...back in the late 90's I used to work for a videoconfrencing company. The Infra red devices required AA batteries, so we relied on a lot of AA batteries. It was a fairly small company, but produced enough to buy batteries by the packs of 500's. of course, they would just toss them in a bin, and would take them out when needed. Well, never the less... one day, I guess enough batteries made a closed circuit.. and yes, it caught fire... destroying over $10,000 worth of equipment that the batteries were beside. Needless to say, we kept them a bit more securely after that.
Every once in a long while, I do carry batteries loosely..but when I do, I make sure it's the only thing in that pocket, and I keep the batteries separate.
Lol.. glad I'm not the only one. The best atomizer I've found for .8 ohm single coil so far, is the Taifun GT2. To me, the Kayfun has too much restrictive flow for a .8 build. The Squape-R would be a great one, but after about 3 versions of them and a year later, I've yet to find a build that kept up with the juice flow without constant priming, or didn't totally leak out the next day. What about you?
This is exactly how it went with me. I'm "in the middle" now and happy to be there. I thought I'd never need more than my little EVOD mouth-to-lung setup, but then I tried a sub-ohm coil in a larger tank (with a more powerful mod as well, of course), and liked it. Much more satisfying to me, and I get more flavor this way, too. I smoked two packs a day for over 40 years, and thought I'd never be able to quit, but I quit completely the day I got my first starter kit and never looked back. Now, it's not a substitute for smoking, it's VAPING!
And I love it!
You owe it to yourself to try the Goblin Mini, Silverplay Nano of Orchid v3.
All have more airflow and better flavor than the Kayfun.
Not all in vain ... at least you have vaping! Chin up, Mate.I vape the way I vape. It's certainly not like P Busardo... I don't even know what to call that 'style'....
Then again, I was never a 'cool' smoker.
Then again, I was never 'cool'....
argh.... my life has been in vain....
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