It's interesting that some people honestly think "high end" mod prices are justifiable.
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I lived in South Florida during Andrew and people were selling bags of ice for 20 bucks.
Don't forget that the folks that think the high price means better quality are the same people that will shun a identical china made clone of the same device.
A perfect example is the GG folks who claim that the Odysseus performs better than a terminator c, even though they are identical, even to the point that parts are interchangeable.
Guess some people are just too stubborn to reason with.
A perfect example is the GG folks who claim that the Odysseus performs better than a terminator c, even though they are identical, even to the point that parts are interchangeable.
Guess some people are just too stubborn to reason with.
wow do we really need these threads almost daily now?
Don't like it? . don't buy it..... quit worrying so much how other people spend their money.
Its strange how everyone wants the cheap alternative but noone is willing to support the people who actually designed something.
Remember the clones are copies of wildly popular products. without people supporting the original designers china would not take notice of the popularity and give YOU a clone.
when all the high end modders go back to hiding out on vaporwall and selling their products backroom style off of excel spreadsheets and no stores sell their products anymore and china has nothing left to clone, enjoy your vivinova's and protanks.
this is something the newer people dont remember when all there was available commercially was junk, and all the good stuff was hidden away on walled forums.
because of this attitude right here there are many modders who stay hidden away on vapor wall, their products rock and strangely NO ONE has a clone of them. i
people can whine all they want about prices and tolerances, many of these people are just that a single guy doing the best they can to provide a quality product. case in point the guy who runs ihybrid, one man, one cnc, and he used all his profit to buy a better cnc machine, same with supert.
im sure after you spend 1/4 million on a state of the art machine then stand there all day milling something you WILL expect to get paid but a mod maker is expected to live on raman noodles so you can vape?
it's sad people have no issues with supporting some sweat shop but thinks its somehow evil to support someone who actually cares about the products they produce. I hope everyone who constantly defends the cloners also wears 7 dollar walmart shoes - i mean how dare you buy the expensive name brand when the copy is just as good.
Don't like it? . don't buy it..... quit worrying so much how other people spend their money.
very little to do with it many of the mods have a price set and none of them raise the price later when demand goes up.
Its strange how everyone wants the cheap alternative but noone is willing to support the people who actually designed something.
Remember the clones are copies of wildly popular products. without people supporting the original designers china would not take notice of the popularity and give YOU a clone.
when all the high end modders go back to hiding out on vaporwall and selling their products backroom style off of excel spreadsheets and no stores sell their products anymore and china has nothing left to clone, enjoy your vivinova's and protanks.
this is something the newer people dont remember when all there was available commercially was junk, and all the good stuff was hidden away on walled forums.
because of this attitude right here there are many modders who stay hidden away on vapor wall, their products rock and strangely NO ONE has a clone of them. i
people can whine all they want about prices and tolerances, many of these people are just that a single guy doing the best they can to provide a quality product. case in point the guy who runs ihybrid, one man, one cnc, and he used all his profit to buy a better cnc machine, same with supert.
so you program or you own?
im sure after you spend 1/4 million on a state of the art machine then stand there all day milling something you WILL expect to get paid but a mod maker is expected to live on raman noodles so you can vape?
it's sad people have no issues with supporting some sweat shop but thinks its somehow evil to support someone who actually cares about the products they produce. I hope everyone who constantly defends the cloners also wears 7 dollar walmart shoes - i mean how dare you buy the expensive name brand when the copy is just as good.
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high price doesn't mean better quality,,,,,,,
better quality often means high price.
better quality often means high price.
What makes this thread different from the ones I've seen in the past is this one was STARTED by someone who knows what it takes to make these things.
One thing the OP may have overlooked is the value of art. I don't see any tube device as art but some do and I won't criticize or question that. I have seen pipes that I viewed as art (but still wouldn't pay that price).
What I do question (and that is question not mock or criticize) is people claiming those mechanical mods, and to some extent even the regulated or variable, work any better than something I can build myself.
ETA - Is the MVP a clone of anything? If not it demonstrates what the OP was driving at and nullifies the China clone defense. Well designed equipment without the extreme price.
Nope, just clones. I like to bring mine to vape shops and compare though. It's funny when I take the atty off and make the worker figure out which is which
then I'm sorry, but how can you make that judgement? and I'm not being snarky,,,,,,really
I have had roughly 10 Ego batts since I started vaping 15 months ago,,,,,
at an average of 25.00 each (some were more, some less), that's 250.00
that's enough for a provari that I'd STILL HAVE now had I bought one.
so in answer to your question,,,,,,,it's interesting that people honestly think the cheaper stuff is worth the cost.
Ad hominem incoming!
But seriously, modders can charge whatever they like. They just have to realize that when you charge $200+ for something easily found for ~$50 that you're only catering to an elite crowd, and must accept the good and bad that comes with that.
"Clones" don't have the same quality/tolerance of product that you see from original manufacturers, but some people can't afford or don't care enough to buy an original. Two sides of the marketing coin. Maybe the modders should offer less fancy "economy" products with the same basic design advantages that make their "high end" mods so desirable.
your right and that makes it even more disturbing, im sure he gets paid well for his efforts and his shop makes dam good money, so how is that any different? your allowed to get paid for your efforts but no one else is expected to do the same? im sure the OP isnt in a machine shop making high quality goods because it pays 6 bucks an hour.
if for some reason this production suddenly gets outsourced to taiwan the OP may change his tune sitting around on unemployment.
I dont have a problem with clones myself, i have a problem with people who dont seem to understand the WORD clone. someone had to design it before it was copied. and everyone wants to put down that person yet hope they continue R&D - ing superior products.
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then I'm sorry, but how can you make that judgement? and I'm not being snarky,,,,,,really
I have had roughly 10 Ego batts since I started vaping 15 months ago,,,,,
at an average of 25.00 each (some were more, some less), that's 250.00
that's enough for a provari that I'd STILL HAVE now had I bought one.
so in answer to your question,,,,,,,it's interesting that people honestly think the cheaper stuff is worth the cost.
How many lithium batteries and chargers would you go through in that time?
Not debating, just really wonder.
then I'm sorry, but how can you make that judgement? and I'm not being snarky,,,,,,really
I have had roughly 10 Ego batts since I started vaping 15 months ago,,,,,
at an average of 25.00 each (some were more, some less), that's 250.00
that's enough for a provari that I'd STILL HAVE now had I bought one.
so in answer to your question,,,,,,,it's interesting that people honestly think the cheaper stuff is worth the cost.
Very good point, and it just shows how consumerism works. Purpose of this thread is just some food for thought.
im still running the same batteries that came with my provari over a year ago. still have that charger too. better made things actually last - funny how that seems to work.
I've already beaten this dead horse.
All I'm going to say is there is a stark differance between a one off hand made item and one punched off a production line.
But if you find the value it, then MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!
All I'm going to say is there is a stark differance between a one off hand made item and one punched off a production line.
But if you find the value it, then MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!
It's a bit disturbing to see this huge rift opening up in the community with the whole "originals vs. clones" threads. All it seems to do is spark a lot of anger and resentment, usually with deleted hate comments and locked threads. Can't we all just agree that it is our own money and we will choose to spend it how we see fit? Nobody here has the right to judge another based on the decisions they make. It's really turning into a bunch of BS, IMHO.
Otherwise- keep beating that horse if it makes you feel any better.
Otherwise- keep beating that horse if it makes you feel any better.
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