It's interesting that some people honestly think "high end" mod prices are justifiable.

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I can't, and wont argue that point! You and I are on the same page there! BUT, on the flip side of the coin, if people are willing to pay it, then the market is there whether we like it or not! I've got a Nemesis clone on the way, as much as I'd love to have the original, I honestly cannot justify it! I did a lot to my body, that my wife and Dr's are still unhappy with me about, to come up with the money to buy my Provari, I can't do that again!
I'm also sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way, that wasn't my intent! I've done a lot of this myself, and spending a day or two at the shop making something that someone considers "simple" then have them balk when you ask for $50-75 for your time!
I'm glad we can agree. Lol. I didn't take any offense, don't worry. The provari is a perfect example of the price gouging though. The post above hits it right on the head actually. The provari is far more advanced than any mechanical mod and is still cheaper than most of them, which is what makes it seem like price gouging.

I completely understand where you're coming from. I just feel a lot of them are trying to be the ferrari of mods, without the performance to back up the price. If that makes any sense. Lol
 

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You made the claim so the burden of proof is on YOU.

Don't need proof just go to your favorite mod maker's site and try to buy one. Are we running out of steel? How about delrin? Maybe it's springs we lack?

Or maybe just maybe they only make so many for a reason.
 

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Don't need proof just go to your favorite mod maker's site and try to buy one. Are we running out of steel? How about delrin? Maybe it's springs we lack?

Or maybe just maybe they only make so many for a reason.

Your speculation doesn't constitute proof.

At any rate, they don't make money by not having enough product but they definitely LOSE money by having too much. They're probably not great at their forecasts.
 

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Don't need proof just go to your favorite mod maker's site and try to buy one. Are we running out of steel? How about delrin? Maybe it's springs we lack?

Or maybe just maybe they only make so many for a reason.

Yeah, the rest of their life commitments.

Resale value does absolutely, postively, nothing for a modder.
 

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I'm glad we can agree. Lol. I didn't take any offense, don't worry. The provari is a perfect example of the price gouging though. The post above hits it right on the head actually. The provari is far more advanced than any mechanical mod and is still cheaper than most of them, which is what makes it seem like price gouging.

I completely understand where you're coming from. I just feel a lot of them are trying to be the ferrari of mods, without the performance to back up the price. If that makes any sense. Lol


Right, and my $200 example was a "one off", once everything is set up it's easy to crank out a few more, but making that "one" is a bear!
 

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Your speculation doesn't constitute proof.

At any rate, they don't make money by not having enough product but they definitely LOSE money by having too much. They're probably not great at their forecasts.

Why would you lose money by making too many? Does ProVape or Reo lose money by making too many mods? No, both of these devices are 10x more complex to build than a tube and a switch.
 

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Yeah, the rest of their life commitments.

Resale value does absolutely, postively, nothing for a modder.

It does alot for a modder, it makes your future devices more desirable by the "high end" crowd. Same deal with limited edition Gucci handbags or any other high end market.
 

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Why would you lose money by making too many? Does ProVape or Reo lose money by making too many mods? No, both of these devices are 10x more complex to build than a tube and a switch.


If you can't sell something before the product's desirability factor has worn off you end up with a bunch of stock on hand that is a lot harder to get rid of. Everything has its time and vaping mods are no different. What was popular yesterday may not be popular tomorrow.

You seem as though you just WANT to have a negative view of the modders and I fail to see how that would please you to do so.
 

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if for some reason this production suddenly gets outsourced to taiwan the OP may change his tune sitting around on unemployment.
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Ouch quite hars but so true, call me a homer. But I do love my high end reliable homegrown Provari.
I help my other countrymen eat, but I bought it because of reliability customer service. Excellent speedy response
From the vendor. Some things are worth the price especially when quality of life is at steak.
 

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You do understand it costs something to make mods, right?

Of course, EXACTLY my point if Pro Vape or Reo can turn out these complex VV devices with electronics built in on top of high end casings. What does that say about mechanicals that cost exactly the same or in alot of cases much MORE for a switch and a tube?
 

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Of course, EXACTLY my point if Pro Vape or Reo can turn out these complex VV devices with electronics built in on top of high end casings. What does that say about mechanicals that cost exactly the same or in alot of cases much MORE for a switch and a tube?

It says small mod operations don't have the same capital as a company like Provape.
 

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It says small mod operations don't have the same capital as a company like Provape.

Pro Vape was a small company, so was Reo. They just weren't as greedy and kept themselves honest. They seem to have no long term shortages, definitely not to the extent of a mod being sold for 3-4 months at 50-100 here and there then poof like a fart in the wind, no longer being made.

This will make ALOT of people try clones, then they'll come back here and cry about how they've been copied.
 

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I work with machining parts for firearms, AR15s in particular, with programming CNC machines with all of the coordinates, different axis angles, changing out drill bits and tooling, and aligning jigs, which have extremely low tolerances, down to about 0.0003, or 3 one-hundred-thousandths, it's pretty precise work. The cost of material, 7075 Aluminum (A pretty pricey aluminum alloy) has little to do with the price of the parts (~$150 for a lower) Now, for making a mod, a basic brass or S/S tube with some threads (which have very loose tolerances, compared to the military specifications I deal with) and add a button, some laser etching, there is no way the cost of production of those high end mods is anywhere near the prices some mods go for, compared to the type of work I deal with, but instead of laser etching, it's engraving a serial number and stamping other numbers into the face of the parts. Along with FFL-7 paperwork involved with every receiver.

The reason is supply : demand. E-Cigs have exploded in popularity in the past few months, and the manufacturers simply cannot keep up with orders, so they raise prices. That is all it is. The cost of materials has little to do with it, the research, and design of new mods has little to do with it, and the time and labor in machining the parts has little to do with it. In America, we have free enterprise, you can put whatever price you'd like on whatever product or service you sell.


Yes, if someone invests in the kind of machine setup you have access to, it's "easy" to make great mods without spending a lot of money. Why aren't you offering to make these for a discount price? (Oh, I forgot... You didn't buy the machine, you are getting paid to operate it, and I bet you couldn't afford to live on just what you would make at $200 each, even using the laser technology that someone else paid for).

So what are the mods that you are selling? What are their specs, their prices? What does an AR15 go for these days?
 
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Gotta love it when the OP is nowhere to be found...

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