It's spreading...

[JayQC]

Assuming that we are not sitting side by side at the same desk, (in which case I would ask before vaping or not vape at all ), I would have changed flavour first, then I would have tried un-flavored juice, than I would steath vape then I would think of something else .

Yeah I thought about it, but in the end I don't really care and I'd rather rid myself of an annoyance rather than push my luck and end up creating a widespread debate and indirectly punish other office vapers who have not been told to stop yet, if ever. My immediate collegue doesn't like it, tough luck, I don't really care in the end.

I'm totally a vaping martyr. I'm a total doormat. I'm also a busy and tolerant guy, I don't have time for petty causes, see what I mean?

 

[six]

I mind my own business. I expect those around me to mind theirs. If you live where people are unable or unwilling to mind their own business, go down to the nearest U-haul store, rent a big truck, put your important stuff in it.... and leave the place you are in to the nutball socialists. They'll eat each other sooner or later. Find yourself somewhere nice where your neighbors mind their own business.

 

[Jman8]

- No, it's not that you will annoy everyone, it's that you shouldn't be surprised or offended if it does annoy someone.

I am not surprised if it does. I do expect this with the brainwashing the general public has received around SHS. My experience though with vaping in public, as noted before, is that non-vaping strangers are very favorable toward vaping or they do not appear to care.

- The safety of second hand vape is not an excuse or an incentive to do it in public. Or an argument when someone comes up to you and asks you to stop.

I beg to differ. Glad to have this discussion if you are up to the task.

- Anything that remotely ressembles smoking will never be 100% socially acceptable because of the visual signature of it. I can live with that, it doesn't bother me at all.

I concur with this. As noted in my first response above (in this post). That vaping is accepted by many is something I see your side of this discussion downplaying, ignoring or wishing to restate in terms that fit with your perspective.

ANTZ or not, I don't feel like my rights are being taken away because someone doesn't like my raspberry at work and asks me to stop. Actually, I feel lucky that I could do it for 3 months before she told me about it.

Even another argument in favor of vaping in public, with respect. All who are reading this could understand the situation as a golden era that may one day come to an end in your neck of the woods. Some who look at this discussion say no one, but vapers are to blame. Us, who stay aware of politics know it is at most 10% that, and 90% ANTZ getting to liberals to pass these policies. Either way, if you are in a place right now (as I am) where local and state politicians haven't been swayed, then by all means, vape now, in public as much as humanly possible. And if you are wise, you will do it with respect, so that when you attend the hearings on this in your neck of the woods, you'll realize precisely the tactics that opposition uses to justify usage bans.

 

[JayQC]

Where you beg to differ is where I chose to swat it aside and get it over with.

"You don't like the smell? Fine, sorry about that, let me move downwind" and I just keep on trucking. They will usually not stick around to see what you do either, so I just put my vape away, and when they're gone (5 seconds) I pull it out again like nothing happened. I can let that slide easily, we don't know eachother, that person means nothing to me.

I look around before pulling out my vape to see if the wind is going to carry it directly in someone else's face. The wind is my main parameter since I only vape outside in public. If I pull out my vape, it's because I can do it with respect.

Someone who complains about the smell or whether I'm a fruit jam inhaling protozombie looking to spread his disease only wants to hear "Okay" and move on with a confidence they experience only sporadically. They don't care whether it's safe or not, that's not why they're all up in your face, so why bring it up?

"Don't blow that .... in my face, son"
"But sir, it's safe, it's not smoke"

And then the discussion has to go further and I just don't care, that person is just looking for a confrontation and means nothing to me. I'm not going to bring up the safety of second hand vape or tell them to google "Peering through the mist". It's litteraly 10 second of my day where someone I don't know thinks he knows better than me. Let him have his moment, as soon as he turns his back I'm already at it again anyway.

I just keep my patience for people who want to know. I will wish a nice day to the others and just let them move out of the way.

I absolutely love breaking down and explaining things to people who care. I've been a teacher in the past and miss it very much. The others well....I'm a busy guy!

 

[DC2]

"Don't blow that .... in my face, son"
"But sir, it's safe, it's not smoke"

And then the discussion has to go further and I just don't care, that person is just looking for a confrontation and means nothing to me. I'm not going to bring up the safety of second hand vape or tell them to google "Peering through the mist". It's litteraly 10 second of my day where someone I don't know thinks he knows better than me. Let him have his moment, as soon as he turns his back I'm already at it again anyway.

Your behavior, as stated above, empowers them and encourages them.
And that is why the entire world is becoming a Nanny State.


EDIT: Of course I assume that the "blowing that in my face" thing is exaggeration.
EDIT: Because no "respectful" vaper would ever do that.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I mind my own business. I expect those around me to mind theirs. If you live where people are unable or unwilling to mind their own business, go down to the nearest U-haul store, rent a big truck, put your important stuff in it.... and leave the place you are in to the nutball socialists. They'll eat each other sooner or later. Find yourself somewhere nice where your neighbors mind their own business.

Sweet, I wish more people in the world thought similarly.

Maurice

 

[JayQC]

Your behavior, as stated above, empowers them and encourages them.
And that is why the entire world is becoming a Nanny State.

Encourages them to publicly embarrass themselves to every vaper they walk across? That's hilarious, I'll keep doing it.

About the empowering part, let me just say you give away your power if you want to. You're being just as paranoid as them by being conviced that you're giving away your power by basically smiling and explicitely not giving a ..... about them.

There are real problems out there. It's not worth it to pick arguments with ignorant randoms on the street. Maybe it is to you but as I stated earlier, I'm a busy guy so I'll pass the weight of this crisis to someone who has that time to waste.

If you make it a big deal, then it becomes a big deal...

 

[Mikepresjr]

I can't believe this is still going. I keep forgetting about this thread till it pops up with a new post.

 

[Roxxette]

I don't understand what is the deal with people thinking that just because its "safe" they can go around blowing vapor without given a single .... lol people don't like that is simple, it feels like a lot of vapers switch just so they can do it everywhere; unless your a smoker from back in the day you never smoked inside a supermarket, hospital or store next corner so why do you insist in vaping inside those places now ?

I don't really care if i can vape inside or outside, in my country smoking indoor was banned not long ago and it didn't bother that much me so started i smoked outside (well it did bother me a little at first while in the mall lol), when i started vaping i continued like i used to smoke and try to not bother people around.

Either way people are smoking less and less, its just not that common and its a good thing (at least around here) so eventually vaping will be the new smoking and you should expect some rules.

 

[Jman8]

I look around before pulling out my vape to see if the wind is going to carry it directly in someone else's face. The wind is my main parameter since I only vape outside in public. If I pull out my vape, it's because I can do it with respect.

Yeah, there's no wind indoors. So, your parameter, which you have zero control over doesn't really come up when vaping indoors. I too look around before I vape indoors, and as noted before there are plenty of places in many buildings where there is nobody around. Examples would be a hospital, or large megastore, or bathroom, or umpteen other places. Now, if I'm in a crowded space, I usually do not vape, as chances of me exhaling something that I'm sure will float into someone's face is likely.

Someone who complains about the smell or whether I'm a fruit jam inhaling protozombie looking to spread his disease only wants to hear "Okay" and move on with a confidence they experience only sporadically. They don't care whether it's safe or not, that's not why they're all up in your face, so why bring it up?

"Don't blow that .... in my face, son"
"But sir, it's safe, it's not smoke"

I have yet to experience this sort of exchange when vaping indoors, in public, with respect.

 

[tj99959]

By all means move in next door to me ........... and then complain about the dogs barking

 

[JayQC]

I would never do that.

I would cover myself in sausages and run around the yard. Love dogs.

 

[tj99959]

I would never do that.

I would cover myself in sausages and run around the yard. Love dogs.

But my point is that vaping around others is all about nuisance value, the same as the neighbors dog barking.

 

[DC2]

About the empowering part, let me just say you give away your power if you want to. You're being just as paranoid as them by being conviced that you're giving away your power by basically smiling and explicitely not giving a ..... about them.

You seem to think this is all about you or me.
It's not about that.

It's about educating the public.

But maybe you're not worried about the future of vaping.
In that case, carry on.

 

[k75srider]

I won't go to starbucks, cause they charge 5 bucks for fancy coffee, and I still would not go there even if I could vape indoors. Besides the place is filled with douches!

 

[rbrylawski]

I won't go to starbucks, cause they charge 5 bucks for fancy coffee, and I still would not go there even if I could vape indoors. Besides the place is filled with douches!

Well thanks heaps for calling me a douche. I do go to Starbucks. So there!!!

 

[k75srider]

Maybe your starbucks is different then the ones around me. No real insult impied to you.and apoligies to any starbuck patrons here. Just really don't like the starbucks copperation, kind of the same way I don't like Wall-mart.

 

[bluecat]

But my point is that vaping around others is all about nuisance value, the same as the neighbors dog barking.

Some neighborhoods have a no barking policy after a certain hour. If the dog is outside after a certain and bark... you could be issued a citation.

BTW - I have two beagles...both we got off doggie death row... they howl and I love it.

 

[rbrylawski]

Maybe your starbucks is different then the ones around me. No real insult impied to you.and apoligies to any starbuck patrons here. Just really don't like the starbucks copperation, kind of the same way I don't like Wall-mart.

You don't have to like or ever patronize one as that's entirely your choice as a consumer. But I would be careful about calling their customers douches as that's just not nice.

And of course I know you weren't specifically calling me a douche. You'd have to meet me first, then decide if I was one!

 

[KiMB00P]

My college campus has these signs on all of the entrances. I don't vape indoors in public vicinities anyway. I can imagine how smoky it might get indoors if everyone was vaping and some people can have a reaction from PG, even when just walking past someone vaping a juice containing it.

Just trying to be respectful of others.