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Hi there,

New to ECF, but not new to vaping (9months+) I have been using various Ego, Kgo and now on a Ego C Twist which i am loving btw. I actually have never had the "leaking" prob that many speak of. Maybe just luck...I also drip, and when not dripping I use a Clearomizer.

I have done a ton of research on batteries and sure there are "better" depending on what's "better" for the user, I personally just love the form factor of the Ego series. Not overly obnoxious in size and far from puny. I appreciate the "better" batteries, but their size and stance are a huge turn off for me.

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It's not the battery that causes the leaking problem. If you drip or use clearomizers you've solved the problem and you won't have the leaking problem.

I like the eGo form factor too, except the Twist. The 1000mah Twist is obscenely long and not significantly slimmer than an 18650 VV mod. It's as big, or bigger, around than a Buzzpro and taller than a Lavatube. The 650mah Twist is decently sized - for a 1000mah device. Bottom line is that the Twists are the largest PVs, for their capacity, on the market.
 

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Jeez Pete - OK, you don't like it, great. But you spent all that time and effort slamming it? And you labeling it as "junk" doesn't make it "junk". You have the right to your opinion, but you don't have the authority to decree that something is officially "junk".

It doesn't take much time or effort to slam junk. You're right though. I don't have the authority to decree something is "officially" junk. So, it's not an official decree. It's unofficial and self-evident. Labeling water wet doesn't make it wet and if I make the observation that water is wet, it's not an official decree either. I have no authority to decree that water is officially wet.
 

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Fair enough :) Unfortunately, you had time to quote that before I could take it down. :)

Oh well. I was going to change it to something like what I was going to say to LutherD; that I wouldn't recommend an eGo-C kit to someone just starting out, both for the fixed voltage and the fiddling - but then say again that I think the C- atty and heads are cool enough to warrant purchasing and trying out because the design is very - shall we say, "interesting" - and the "form factor" of it is just really cool. A part of vaping history, really.

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And yes, I know that you wish that they were just "history", period! LOL


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And I also thought your reply was great. Thanks for taking that so well.
 
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The manufacturers estimated lifespan of a fixed voltage 650 ego battery is 4-6 months. A variable voltage will last for a shorter period of time than a fixed voltage. A 1000mah will last longer than a 650mah. Long before a battery dies, it will start holding a charge for less time than it did when it was new.

A 650mah Twist will give you 3.5 hours or so between charges, when it is new. The 1000mah model will give you about 7-8 hours. Those times will decrease as the battery ages.

The 650mah Twist is as long as a 1100mah kGo or a Lavatube "mini" with a 900mah battery.
The 1000mah is probably the longest PV on the market, physically longer than a full sized Lavatube with a 2000mah battery.

Is the Twist a "game changer" or a "best buy"?
Not when you look at the facts and compare it to the alternatives.
Compare the price, features, power and overall lifespan of an eGo Twist to a Vtube.

Price for kit including 2 batteries and charger:
Twist: $50-65 shipped
Vtube: $57-80 shipped

Battery Capacity:
Twist: 650/1000 mah (avg. cost per "mah" of capacity = $0.084/mah)
Vtube: 1600-2250mah (avg. $0.038/mah)

Approx. run time between charges
Twist: 3.5/8 hours
Vtube: 14-20 hours

Voltage Range:
Twist: 3-4.8V (1.8V total)
Vtube: 3-6.0V (3V total)

Warranty:
Twist: 14-30 days
Vtube: One year plus 30 day money back "satisfaction" guarantee

Voltage Display:
Twist: Knob on bottom, tiny numbers, difficult to read.
Vtube: LED display

Battery level indicator:
Twist: None
Vtube: LED display

Lifespan:
Twist: 4-6 months, somewhat longer for the 1000mah model.
Vtube: No anticipated failure date.

Approx. Cost to replace battery
Twist: $20-25
Vtube: $8

Price of the Vtube kit at apolloecigs.com is $50-$60-$73 shipped for Alum-Chrome-Stainless in mini or full sized with 30% off code Vtube30. Shipping is free and includes 1 year warranty, charger, atomizer, drip tip and 1600mah battery.

An additional 1600mah IMR battery is $6.50 shipped with 20% off code "fireworks", valid thru 7/4.
A 2250 mah Panasonic IMR battery is $7.99 shipped at Orbtronic.com. That's over 2X the run time of a 1000mah Twist in one $8 battery.

The Vtube is clearly the current Best Buy in "budget" Variable Voltage PVs.

Thats a whole lotta theory... loosely based on fact.

I own both devices, and you really can't compare them in this way. Not going to poke holes in the statements above, but I will say each has it's place and you really should not be making a buying choice in this way.

To me these 2 devices are in different categories. Ego twist is the caddilac of ego-style PVs, while the LT (vtube) is the pinto of tube mods.
 

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Well, you could always put a Phoenix on one and you'll maintain 95% of the "cool" form factor. And, it'll actually work well.

I'm wondering why the eGo-W (F1) hasn't gotten more talk around here. They finally put what seems to be a genuinely decent tank system on an upgraded battery and people still tout the C&T "tank systems". Maybe if the eGo-W had more built in flaws, people would talk about it more often.
 

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Thats a whole lotta theory... loosely based on fact.

I own both devices, and you really can't compare them in this way. Not going to poke holes in the statements above, but I will say each has it's place and you really should not be making a buying choice in this way.

To me these 2 devices are in different categories. Ego twist is the caddilac of ego-style PVs, while the LT (vtube) is the pinto of tube mods.

There's not a bit of "theory" in that. Other than run times, which are necessarily estimates, those are all indisputable facts. Some apply to ALL eGo style PVs, and some specifically to the Twist.

The fact is that the whole class of eGo is below tube mods. The Twist may be the "Cadillac of egos" and the Vtube the Pinto of tube mods, but until they start selling Cadillacs for the same price as Pintos, your argument doesn't hold up.

Yes, they are in different categories. There are far better tube mods than the Vtube. That doesn't make the Twist any better than the Vtube. The comparison was for similarly priced VVs. A comparison of the features, power and operating costs is perfectly valid.
 
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I won an eGo W at VapeStock and have not set it down...all my mods are getting dusty...I love it


I need to find where to get more of the tank carto things tho

I haven't actively searched for them, but I did see them at Health Cabin. IIRC, they had a lot of different colored ones.
 

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"Maybe if the eGo-W had more built in flaws, people would talk about it more often".

Nice one! :)

I do have to say that I like legacy's point that it might not be totally appropriate to compare the Twist and the VTube head-to-head. Just as a guy might have a pickup truck and a family car, each device has its place. Part of the "price of admission" for the Twist is the decreased battery life, non-replaceable battery, and everything else you listed.

But few long-term vapers are going to have either one class of device or the other. Pete, you might need a whiskey chaser for this, but - the Twist is gonna be around for a while, and IMO it makes a pretty good addition to just about anyone's arsenal.

The eGo tank system? Junk. LOL
 

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I won an eGo W at VapeStock and have not set it down...all my mods are getting dusty...I love it

I need to find where to get more of the tank carto things tho

Hi CW - If you have time, could you please give us a rundown on what you consider the "highlights" of the eGo-W? I know absolutely nothing about it. (You too please, Pete, if you could).
 

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"Maybe if the eGo-W had more built in flaws, people would talk about it more often".

Nice one! :)

I do have to say that I like legacy's point that it might not be totally appropriate to compare the Twist and the VTube head-to-head. Just as a guy might have a pickup truck and a family car, each device has its place. Part of the "price of admission" for the Twist is the decreased battery life, non-replaceable battery, and everything else you listed.

But few long-term vapers are going to have either one class of device or the other. Pete, you might need a whiskey chaser for this, but - the Twist is gonna be around for a while, and IMO it makes a pretty good addition to just about anyone's arsenal.

The eGo tank system? Junk. LOL

The fallacy of that is that a family car does some things better than a truck, and vice versa. What, praytell, does a Twist do better than a Vtube that is worth such a heavy price of admission? Both are intended to perform the same exact function, unlike a family car and a truck. Both have a similar price point for a typical newbie. Sorry, John. Nice try, but an invalid analogy. (BTW, not an "official" decree, just self-evident).

I will say that for someone who already has a PV, and so only needs one unit, a Twist is a decent intro to VV. But you can't compare one Twist to one Vtube. A valid comparison demands similar capabilities and that includes not going for hours on end with nothing to vape while you wait for a battery to charge.

I have no doubt the Twist will be around for awhile. So will the Blu and any number of other PVs for which there are better, similarly priced alternatives.
 

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LOL and that's why you made my ignore list. You can't deal with any opinions other than your own. And you have ever changing criteria to prove you're right. You start out claiming everyone who likes them just got one because someone who just got one loves it. I've been using it 3 months so you change the criteria to 6 months.
Unless I miss my guess the eGo-C hasn't been around much longer than 6 months so basically you're demanding only people who got one in the first few months can weigh in.

Since you hate them so much we can be sure you didn't give them the 6 month try out you demand of those who like them. Which would explain why you didn't know the tanks come pre-punched now.

Kent C was early on the October Ovale thread and it seems he still uses them as at least part of his arsenal.
I do believe Vicky (Cignot) uses them and probably has used them since their release. If she thought they were junk she would avoid selling them like she avoids selling auto-bats for them.
What next, demand to meet someone who's used them for over a year?

So once again your perception of reality is not reality even though you will kick and scream loud enough that those who don't know better will believe it because you've made anyone who could actually weigh in with their experience not want to bother.

After 3 months I like them so much I bought a second kit. I can admit they're not for everyone but then nothing is.
 

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"The fallacy of that is that a family car does some things better than a truck, and vice versa. What does a Twist do better than a Vtube that is worth such a heavy price of admission? Both are intended to perform the same exact function, unlike a family car and a truck".

I just think that the Twist does better at being compact and pocket-friendly, and looking cool as hell especially with a 3.5ml DCT tank and a trim ring. It's just a nice size, and works great. It's just nice for "out and about", or just hanging out. That's really all there is to it for me. I really do think the analogy is valid.

And I don't compare the Twist to a VTube, or a ProVari, or a VMax, or anything else that it's clearly not. As you said, they're different form factors. And by the criteria you're using to establish "sameness" of function to the Twist and VTube - producing vapor by warming juice with a coil or coils - could be applied to the car and truck by saying that they're both designed to burn fuel to provide forward motion to transport people and things. But the truck will haul more cargo, and the VTube will produce more puffs per charge.

I do think that legacy was spot-on when he said that right now it's the height of the eGo class. It is what is, and what it is IMO is a pretty cool device that's worth having around.

I will gently add that I think you have an undue [and arguably "unfair" IMO] anti-Twist bias is causing some of your arguments to show a little "wear and tear".
 
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Hi Guys I wanted to jump in with a couple of pennies to toss into the fountain. I Began My life as a vaper with the good ol carts and atties, almost six months before any of the "t" systems where available. When the "t" systems came out I, Like most, jumped on the bandwagon and tried this "new" system. The following six months began a hateful span of money dumping into the tank system that I eventually gave up on. This was the second most expensive time in my vaping adventures. I have always been a chain vaper. I used to buy "t" atties five at a time and would ruin about five per month. Cleaning every second/third day, adjusting wicks.... dont get me wrong, I liked them for a good while. When they worked well they did keep me satisfied. When they started acting up they where painfully frustrating. The flavor was not as good as the trusty old atomizers but it was ok.

Then I tried the original ce2, What a difference. Still a pain, dont forget to shave off the rim, poke this imossibly small straw through this little opening, dont fill past here, dont tighten it too much, dont apply ANY sideways pressure or it will snap like a twig. And I swore that was more acceptable than the "t" system. The flavor was better, the draw was better, more throat feeling, warmer, thicker vapor..... better. Honestly I liked the ce2 originals but I just couldnt stomach the fact that when you are out in public its hard not to look like you are doing some drug induced ritual when you have to fill them up. No 3cc syringes in public for me , thanks.

Then Came the G4, I wish these where still around. Oh wait. No Backtrack that... This is the reason that they are not still around, they where worse than the "t" system when they where working poorly. Dont ude this blend, dont tip them past 65 degrees when filling, dont let air siphon back the wrong direction, dont lay them down, dont stand them up, dont loose the rediculos mouth piece, dont tighten them too much, dont draw too hard, dont apply any sideways pressureor they will snap like an inkpen from the 70s...... The flavor was still better than the "t" system but this system had far far far too many problems to be a viable alternative to the cart/atty combo.

Boge cartos where next on the menu for me. I personally really enjoy the ease of using a carto. I enjoy the overall amount of use time I get from a good carto. Fairly indestructable. I have been happy with plain ol Boge cartos for more than a year now. Yes I have a few tanks that I regularly use with cartos in them. More often than not Its just a plain old carto and drip tip. I have purchased a few versions of the vision clearomizers the stardust and the other ones. Not a giant waste of money but not good enough to replace a regular carto for me. I did my duty as a vaper and bought an eGo c atty system, it quickly reminded me of the eGo t and it promptly got tossed, I didnt even bother to pay it forward I wouldnt put somoone else through something I wouldnt do my self. My two favorites beyond cartomizers are the Humongomizer from Good Prophets and the Vivi Nova with the metal tank. Both of these are really good vapes and about as durable as a regular ol cartomizer. I have never broken either of these , I am a Technician so I spend about nine hours per day standing and squatting all while my PV is in my pocket. Both of these devices have give the regular ol carts a run for my new favorites but now favorites take many months to earn their place, instead of being favorited by somone else for me.

To Finish If you like your system stick with it, if you dont there is always something new and different on the horizon. Good Luck. Happy Vaping.
 
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Oh And as best I can tell this is the "w" style tank classwife , and john d That you had asked about GP CE2 Regular Humongomizer Set-up for eGo 2.0ml and RIVA-T TANK BLACK - $4.99 : CropDuster901 eCigs, eCigs, Vaporizers and Supplies and RiVa-T CE2 Clearomizer (Tank Atomizer) - EVcigarettes.com Ther sure is more folks who sell these but thes I know keep a good stock . I think when it comes acoss the pond it gets rebranded, I dont think any us vendor call these the "w" or"f1" tank. I prefer the larger ones from GP but then again I have long since given up the small form factor requirements.
 
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LOL and that's why you made my ignore list. You can't deal with any opinions other than your own. And you have ever changing criteria to prove you're right. You start out claiming everyone who likes them just got one because someone who just got one loves it. I've been using it 3 months so you change the criteria to 6 months.
Unless I miss my guess the eGo-C hasn't been around much longer than 6 months so basically you're demanding only people who got one in the first few months can weigh in.
I'm not talking strictly about the eGo-C. The eGo-T is included in that junk fest. BTW, this isn't the first time I've said 6 months. That criteria had nothing to do with you. I had the same conversation with Teamscon who, IIRC, had his for 2 months. A couple days later, he received a new pack of atomizers and started having all the problems everyone else does. So, instead of a time limit maybe the criteria should be changed to a second or third pack of atomizers.

Since you hate them so much we can be sure you didn't give them the 6 month try out you demand of those who like them. Which would explain why you didn't know the tanks come pre-punched now.
Not necessary to try them for 6 months. All you have to do is read hundreds or thousands of posts like I have done. After a while, you notice quite clearly that the defenders are either people who just got them, or don't use the tank system very often anymore.

Kent C was early on the October Ovale thread and it seems he still uses them as at least part of his arsenal.
I do believe Vicky (Cignot) uses them and probably has used them since their release. If she thought they were junk she would avoid selling them like she avoids selling auto-bats for them.
Like I said, there are always exceptions that prove the rule. I see your Kent C and Vicky and raise you hundreds of other people who post here every single day.
What next, demand to meet someone who's used them for over a year?
No need. When I see the obvious trend change in the posts around here, I'll acknowledge it. Meanwhile, all you have to do is read the constant complaints.

So once again your perception of reality is not reality even though you will kick and scream loud enough that those who don't know better will believe it because you've made anyone who could actually weigh in with their experience not want to bother.
I see. It's just me? I wrote the threads devoted to "tweaking" ego tank systems? It's my sock-puppets who write the posts every single day complaining about them? I don't dispute that some people have good experiences with them over the long term. I contend that they are either a distinct minority, or they clam up when all the newbs ask for help. The only people who help them are ones who have only had them for a short time and like them, or people who have had them for longer and don't like them. Where are all these happy long-term eGo C and eGo T using volunteers?

After 3 months I like them so much I bought a second kit. I can admit they're not for everyone but then nothing is.
I once knew a guy who bought two Yugos.
 

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And I don't compare the Twist to a VTube, or a ProVari, or a VMax, or anything else that it's clearly not. As you said, they're different form factors. And by the criteria you're using to establish "sameness" of function to the Twist and VTube - producing vapor by warming juice with a coil or coils - could be applied to the car and truck by saying that they're both designed to burn fuel to provide forward motion to transport people and things. But the truck will haul more cargo, and the VTube will produce more puffs per charge.

I do think that legacy was spot-on when he said that right now it's the height of the eGo class. It is what is, and what it is IMO is a pretty cool device that's worth having around.

I will gently add that I think you have an undue [and arguably "unfair" IMO] anti-Twist bias is causing some of your arguments to show a little "wear and tear".

Cars and trucks are specialized to do certain things beyond providing forward motion.

If someone was asking for the best eGo form factor PV, I'd have no problem recommending a Twist, as long as they understood the limitations in terms of the size/mah ratio that are peculiar to the Twist. So, it's not a bias against the Twist that keeps me from recommending it. The reason I don't recommend it for a newb who needs a complete kit is because there are alternatives without the drawbacks of the Twist, or any eGo type disposable battery.

Similarly, I recommend the kGo or the Volt to people not interested in a VV because there are no good generic battery units that perform as well at the same price point. If there were, I'd recommend them instead of the kGo. That doesn't mean I'd suddenly have a bias against a kGo.

When someone asks for a budget VV, they aren't asking for an eGo form factor. In that case, there is a better alternative at a similar price point.
 

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Oh And as best I can tell this is the "w" style tank classwife , and john d That you had asked about GP CE2 Regular Humongomizer Set-up for eGo 2.0ml and RIVA-T TANK BLACK - $4.99 : CropDuster901 eCigs, eCigs, Vaporizers and Supplies and RiVa-T CE2 Clearomizer (Tank Atomizer) - EVcigarettes.com Ther sure is more folks who sell these but thes I know keep a good stock . I think when it comes acoss the pond it gets rebranded, I dont think any us vendor call these the "w" or"f1" tank. I prefer the larger ones from GP but then again I have long since given up the small form factor requirements.

Actually, those aren't the same thing as the "W" or F1 tank. The "W" tank has a shell with a window around the tank portion and the mouthpiece fits into that shell, rather than into the tank itself. It's kind of hard to explain, but the bottom line is that the "W"tank is not compatible with any other 510 or eGo PV that doesn't have the shell portion. It's actually like a 3 piece tank. It's 4 pieces if you count the "cap" that fits over the whole assembly.
 
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