So you Atlantis and Subtank owners, how do feel about the Delta II's performance BELOW 30w in comparison to those two, for those of us with "lesser" mods that can't sling 35-45w?
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well, i put them all on the same mod set for 25 watts and the delta is is the best for flavor. next i would say is the subtank followed by the atlantis. i think the delta is fine below 30 watts but it is the the one that can go much higher without delivering burning or too hot a vape unlike the others which don't like to go that high.for all of them you definitely need at least a 30 watt mod or there is really no point in purchasing any of them. IMHO
I find its a very cool vape below 30w. Whether that's good or bad is a matter of personal preference. Flavor wise its fine below 30w but IMO the Sub Tank probably beats it. Above 30w it bests the Atlantis and Sub Tank rather easily. Again IMO.
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FWIW- istill think the delta has the best flavor at 25 watts. yes, it is cooler but still tastes pretty good. not bad and better than the others. plus if you ever get a mod that can go higher you will already have the best tank to use with that new mod. this is all based on my personal opinion but just about everything in vaping is just that. pick the tank you like looks-wise and it will be a good vape.....but the delta 2 is the best! haha
The Delta II is definitely my favorite of the 3, I just prefer running it around 40w. But that's just a personal preference, others may love it lower.
How are the coils holding up on these tanks? Any burned coils in a day or two like some of the Atlantis or Kanger OCC? Amazing how much wattage you guys are putting through these coils!
I changed my first coil head this morning after about a week of use, mostly 35-40w and around 30ish ml of juice. It may not have been necessary but the coil looked pretty gunned after 2 tanks of The Virus so I changed it.
i think a lot has to do with the juice you are using- i use a straight absinthe which is as clear as water and whenever i change my coils/cotton in anything it never has gummed up anything. obviously a dark,thick liquid will react differently. if it tastes funky then change the coil. as with anything new, play around with it and the mod it is on and get it to where you are happy with the vapor and taste. can't go wrong if you use your taste as a judge- no chart or another opinion will work as well as your own judgement.....
Have you guys tried the Delta with its rebuildable deck? I really don't want to vape at 30+ watts (or use sub-ohm coils). I generally prefer Kayfun-type builds, 1.5Ω or so resistance, way under 20 watts vaping. Should I even bother with a tank like Delta II or Kanger Subtank? Why are such high wattages recommended for those tanks?
I'm a mouth to lung vaper and I don't chase clouds. I want good flavor and good performance.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I'm a mouth to lung vaper and I don't chase clouds. I want good flavor and good performance.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Pretty much described me to a t. Then I lung hit my Subtank Mini at 27.5w with a .5 ohm rba build wicked with rayon. Best vape I ever had and changed the way I will vape going forward. When you get a setup that moves air and can handle power it's a revelation. The flavor and satisfaction are off the chart.
^ This ^
I think a lot of people that presume they are mouth to lung and won't ever change just haven't hit a good airflow setup that can keep the juice vaporising well whilst taking deep draws.
And a Kayfun or any if its ilk are NOT good airflow tanks, not by a long shot. At least not in comparison to the Atlantis/Subtank/Delta II/Melo.
And nothing to do with vaping style, but these recent sub-ohm clearos have another great thing in common: There's much to be said for just unscrewing the bottom and dumping juice in, instead of diddling around with fill ports and needle tips.
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Really?
But, but... I don't want to lung inhale... I never did, not even when I smoked...
I'm trying to understand. But I can't even begin to imagine myself doing lung inhales... Flavor is experienced in one's mouth, not lungs.
Can one do mouth to lung with those tanks? Decrease the airflow? Lower the wattage???
Sorry if I sound dense, but this is just so new to me.
Katya, make a trip to your favorite local B&M, ask somebody behind the counter to let you hit a good RDA at "sane" wattage and resistance levels with a juice you know you like, at a low 3mg or 6mg nic level. Keep it sanitary though! Bring your own (preferably large bore) drip tip.
Then take a nice long 3-5 second pull right into your lungs, then exhale as you normally would, via mouth or nose or both. With a quality high VG juice and the lower nic level, I think you'll find it's smooth . Choking, burning or gagging like when deep inhaling a cigarette is not likely with a good dripping-style juice, and dislike of that choke/burn is probably why many "tootle puffed" when still smoking. You might even be one of those that doesn't even really mouth-to-lung, just mouth to throat then exhale. Not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like. But it's worth trying something new.
For me, I get a greatly "enhanced" experience when lung hitting with a good airflow/high power setup compared to MTL with restrictive airflow setups. And still get plenty of flavor, it's just atomized so much more (and I'm vaporizing 2x-4x the amount of juice per pull) that the flavors get more intense, more distinct with blends, and the nicotine delivery is more immediate (hence why drippers/sub-ohmers run low nic juices).
Then take a nice long 3-5 second pull right into your lungs, then exhale as you normally would, via mouth or nose or both. With a quality high VG juice and the lower nic level, I think you'll find it's smooth . Choking, burning or gagging like when deep inhaling a cigarette is not likely with a good dripping-style juice, and dislike of that choke/burn is probably why many "tootle puffed" when still smoking. You might even be one of those that doesn't even really mouth-to-lung, just mouth to throat then exhale. Not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's what you like. But it's worth trying something new.
For me, I get a greatly "enhanced" experience when lung hitting with a good airflow/high power setup compared to MTL with restrictive airflow setups. And still get plenty of flavor, it's just atomized so much more (and I'm vaporizing 2x-4x the amount of juice per pull) that the flavors get more intense, more distinct with blends, and the nicotine delivery is more immediate (hence why drippers/sub-ohmers run low nic juices).
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I think This is one of those things that just have to be experienced for yourself. I am gonna take the plunge. I have only been rebuilding coils on my Lemo and Protanks....but frankly I am not good at it. I spend countless hours diddling for a decent vape. Sometimes it goes well.... But often it doesn't. It would be wonderful for me to pay $2 for a great prebuilt coil that'll last even two weeks. If everyone is telling the truth.....I am sold.
Now to make my decision. Eleaf MELO or Delta 2? Leaning toward the Delta, but I am torn cause the rumor is the Melo will have higher resistance coil options. If I don't want to run sub ohm that would be nice.
I like premium juice..... Currently loving the Artist collection mostly. If these sub ohm tanks increase my juice consumption considerably, I am gonna be spending as much as when I smoked. Already close to it now. I vape approx 5 ml a day right now.
Another theory says I will get satisfaction more quickly and won't need to chain vape. Am I fooling myself on that thought?
Now to make my decision. Eleaf MELO or Delta 2? Leaning toward the Delta, but I am torn cause the rumor is the Melo will have higher resistance coil options. If I don't want to run sub ohm that would be nice.
I like premium juice..... Currently loving the Artist collection mostly. If these sub ohm tanks increase my juice consumption considerably, I am gonna be spending as much as when I smoked. Already close to it now. I vape approx 5 ml a day right now.
Another theory says I will get satisfaction more quickly and won't need to chain vape. Am I fooling myself on that thought?
Thanks, Croak!
So... Delta or Sub mini?
Or Lemo?
Lemo is still what I'd call airflow restrictive compared to the new sub-ohm clearos, though it'll be familiar to you as a Kayfun user, albeit a lot more "airy". Might be a good intermediate step. Billow might be better if you want to stick to a pure RTA and get closer to "Atlantis-style" airflow, and not spend a fortune.
When it's available, the Eleaf Melo would be a very affordable way to dip your toes into the waters, since it's going to retail for under $20 and is basically an Atlantis clone (right down to being coil compatible) but with cotton vertical coils.
I should also mention that any of the sub-ohm clearos mentioned in this thread can STILL be used for MTL at the lowest airflow settings and/or the addition of a narrow bore drip tip.
Thanks for this review, by the way. It takes time and effort...and this was well done.
You probably are fooling yourself.
I find I vape more now because I enjoy it so much more. It's not just a nic fix with some semblance of flavor and satisfaction, it's a pleasant overall experience, and something I could see myself doing happily with zero nicotine juices as well.
It's like eating, oh, bland tofu or plain yogurt; you eat, you get fed, but you're not likely to indulge with it.
Now imagine it was bacon instead of tofu, or ice cream instead of plain yogurt.
You probably are fooling yourself.
I find I vape more now because I enjoy it so much more. It's not just a nic fix with some semblance of flavor and satisfaction, it's a pleasant overall experience, and something I could see myself doing happily with zero nicotine juices as well.
It's like eating, oh, bland tofu or plain yogurt; you eat, you get fed, but you're not likely to indulge with it.
Now imagine it was bacon instead of tofu, or ice cream instead of plain yogurt.
How much did your juice consumption increase?
what he said........X 2
unless you are just buying every piece of vaping gear that comes out i don't see how you can spend as much as you did on smoking. i spent about $250 a month on cigs. even if i buy a mod a month(i don't) there is no way i could spend that much on juice unless i was drinking it not vaping it. in the beginning you might go a little crazy and buy too much gear, but soon you will settle down and have a few good pieces to vape on. juice is the endless chase for perfection and when you realize that no one knows what you like except you you will narrow it down to a few flavors and then the expense should lessen. relax and settle down with a few good tanks(the delta2 is great, so is the subtank-you can keep the atlantis as far as i am concerned- not as good as the other two). if you are still spending more $$$ than when you smoked you have other problems besides nicotine addiction-compulsive spending maybe?
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