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Bingo! I'm just starting to realize that this happens. In addition to the chemical-soap-talc taste, I've gotten other strange things as a base like lemon, chocolate, etc. This is when sampling tobacco juices, of which I can't taste anything (not even tobacco) except their apparent "signature" base. These were from highly recommended juice vendors, and I found no evidence that I should have been expecting this.
That said, to date my favorite has been one that uses a chocolate-cocoa base. I still have a lot of tasting to do, but I sure would like to know what I'm getting into before I order it.
A top 10 sort of list would be awesome and would serve the purpose. As time goes by and your database grows you could even break it down by type of juice (tobacco, fruit, sweet, etc).
This is the main reason many freshly made juices need to steep, especially tobacco juices.
Over time the base mellows out and the flavors start to blend and step forward.
Every thread I see where people are asking about flavors I link your site.
I thought about that too, but I haven't actually compared my personal experiences with his reviews yet, so I don't actually know how much merit his reviews deserve. Everything else he is doing seems to be spot on, so if the reviews are accurate (I don't necessarily have to agree with what he likes or dislikes, just that he's giving me an accurate description of the juice) then this will be my go to site.
Thanks JENerationX! I've only been to one vape meet since I've obviously got lots going on right here at my desk, but the one I made it to was lots of fun and I also got to taste some amazing juice. If it weren't for the meet, It would have taken me a lot longer to find out about the juice over at LJs for example. It's an excellent opportunity for vapers to try out juice and mods they may want to look into getting their hands on. I got to try an iTaste there as well...not my thing, but I can understand why some people might go for it. Thanks for the info on pharmboy as well, I'll look into getting some of their stuff as well, once I get halfway caught up over here.
I'm going to reserve my comments on Ms Ts until I've vaped it again. I tried it way back when, just when she was getting started, and didn't really care for it either, but I was vaping with far less sophisticated equipment and severely lacking in my vape knowledge.
I can't tell you how many people keep recommending me to get some KBV. I'm going to try contacting them again one last time and if they don't respond, I'll make them my #1 priority on the next round of orders.
Thanks again for all your recommendations and support JENerationX, it is greatly appreciated.
I only have a few minutes at a time here, but I'll do my best to respond to everyone...
And that's the reason I'm writing you into my will.
In all seriousness, thank you! It's not easy to get the word out, and I don't want to be perceived as spamming ECF, so my appreciation for your help is enormous.
Every thread I see where people are asking about flavors I link your site.
And that's the reason I'm writing you into my will.
In all seriousness, thank you! It's not easy to get the word out, and I don't want to be perceived as spamming ECF, so my appreciation for your help is enormous.
I'd be curious what a proper steeping method is. I've read about it and youtube'd it, and none of it makes much sense to me. Shaking it vigorously should provide all the mixing that is needed, and can be done in much less time than a week, two weeks or whatever steep time is supposedly required. That only leaves the possibility of a chemical reaction or evaporation occuring to change the flavor, unless I'm missing something here.
I'd be curious what the chef has to say about steeping. Why it works, if it does? What actually might be occuring?
Well, he doesn't have a ton of reviews yet, and he's only reviewed two of the juices I've tried, but those two reviews were incredibly accurate (for me, ymmv). So basically my success rate with him so far is about 98% better than the random reviews I've read in threads here and/or the descriptions at the supplier sites themselves, both of which are usually heavy on the "OMG this is the best juice you'll ever try" and light on the "here are the flavors you're going to taste".
I don't know if that just means we just have similar tastes or that he's a great reviewer. Time will tell.
That's very encouraging! I think my next juice order will be some of the things he has reviewed so I can compare notes as well. I'm excited for the chef and his website, as I think this sort of thing is exactly what the community needs. Some of the vendors may not care for it, but oh well.
As a relatively new vapor, about a month now, finding a juice I really like seems to be the biggest obstacle between me and vaping bliss. I've found some that were vapeable, but I have hopes that it can get better. I'm just not looking forward to the hundreds of $$'s I'll spend finding it if someone can't point me in the right direction.
I would never have bought Swagger based on the description at Pink Spot, which is basically "OMG this is the best juice you'll ever try" (been there done that got the t-shirt), but I did try it based on his review, and it's quickly become one of my all time favorite vapes.
It's exactly the same concept as aging wine.
It may be the same concept, but I don't know if I believe it's the same thing going on. Wine is aged with a cork, which slowly allows air in and out. Most people recommend steeping with the lids on, which makes no sense to me. So I steep mine with the lids off. At any rate, if it works it works, and I won't argue with it. I'm testing it out on a few bottles I have right now (mainly because I can't really stand them as they are anyway).
At any rate, I suppose we should stop hijacking his thread unless he cares to put in his two cents about steeping.
I'm pretty sure I got the aging wine analogy from one of his posts here on this thread.
Regardless, here is a quote from his review of Vape Dudes Banana Tobacco...
I steep with the lids off, and every once in a while I give the bottle a gentle squeeze to draw in some air, then a good shake.
Okay...steeping. Obviously I'm a chef, not a chemist, and while molecular gastronomy is fun, it's not really my thing either. So, I'm not even going to attempt to tell you what's happening from a chemical perspective, and I'm not really certain anything actually is. Try to think of it as an infusion. If you put sliced pineapple into a jug of vodka and drank it straight off, it would taste like vodka and nothing else. But, if you let the pineapples sit in the vodka for a couple weeks or more, and then removed them from the jug, you would have pineapple infused vodka. I'm not sure this an entirely accurate description for what's taking place inside the bottle, but it's a good way to understand what happening inside the bottle.
A lot of people compare it to wine aging, as I've done in the past, but Varrius is partially correct in shooting that down. Wine aging occurs differently and does involve a chemical reaction, while it's not due to air being let in via the cork as stated (the cork is actually airtight creating a reductive atmosphere inside the bottle), it's a chemical reaction nevertheless.
I don't know if anyone knows for sure what's happening inside the bottle from a chemical perspective, but again, I suspect very little, if anything. As a community we simply don't have the resources to study how steeping occurs...we can barely find the resources to study the vapor itself. The best way to understand it is that it's the blended flavors coming together, as their viscosity may differ, and fully melding with the PG and VG which, also of differing viscosity, act as delivery agents for those flavor components.
I age with the lid on in a drawer in my house. Tobaccos get 2 weeks, bare minimum, being shaken every 1-2 days. I may taste throughout the process, I may not, but either way, if it's tobacco based, it's a 2 week minimum and often longer before I'll write a review on it. Fruit, candy, and bakery rarely require much steeping. If you're a DIYer, you'd want to give them a couple days, but if you're buying from a vendor, usually the shipping time is an acceptable period. That being said, most juice will improve, even if just a little, with age. So, if you have a juice you don't care for, put in a drawer for a couple weeks shaking it every 1-2 days, and see what you have at the end. Maybe it's the same, maybe it isn't....every juice is different.
Some people steep lid off, like Gthompson, I think that may lead to evaporation, thus changing the flavor and even possibly a breakdown of the nicotine, but again I don't know. Other people put it in a bowl of warm water for 15 min (that's called speed steeping), I've never done that so I can't comment on efficacy. I do it the old fashioned way because these juices are being reviewed and I want to give every bottle a fair shake.
That should cover it, but if anyone has more questions, fire away.
A lot of people compare it to wine aging, as I've done in the past, but Varrius is partially correct in shooting that down. Wine aging occurs differently and does involve a chemical reaction, while it's not due to air being let in via the cork as stated (the cork is actually airtight creating a reductive atmosphere inside the bottle), it's a chemical reaction nevertheless.
I don't know if anyone knows for sure what's happening inside the bottle from a chemical perspective, but again, I suspect very little, if anything. As a community we simply don't have the resources to study how steeping occurs...we can barely find the resources to study the vapor itself. The best way to understand it is that it's the blended flavors coming together, as their viscosity may differ, and fully melding with the PG and VG which, also of differing viscosity, act as delivery agents for those flavor components.
I age with the lid on in a drawer in my house. Tobaccos get 2 weeks, bare minimum, being shaken every 1-2 days. I may taste throughout the process, I may not, but either way, if it's tobacco based, it's a 2 week minimum and often longer before I'll write a review on it. Fruit, candy, and bakery rarely require much steeping. If you're a DIYer, you'd want to give them a couple days, but if you're buying from a vendor, usually the shipping time is an acceptable period. That being said, most juice will improve, even if just a little, with age. So, if you have a juice you don't care for, put in a drawer for a couple weeks shaking it every 1-2 days, and see what you have at the end. Maybe it's the same, maybe it isn't....every juice is different.
Some people steep lid off, like Gthompson, I think that may lead to evaporation, thus changing the flavor and even possibly a breakdown of the nicotine, but again I don't know. Other people put it in a bowl of warm water for 15 min (that's called speed steeping), I've never done that so I can't comment on efficacy. I do it the old fashioned way because these juices are being reviewed and I want to give every bottle a fair shake.
That should cover it, but if anyone has more questions, fire away.
I'd add, I only steep lid off for a few days at the most. If I think it needs more, I put the top back on.
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