Just a brief rant...

[Rule62]

I don't really want to start another clone war. God knows there have been enough of them. But...every day, someone starts a thread, asking for help, because the poster is having trouble with their Nemesis, Stingray, Chi You, Kraken, kayfun, or whatever. After reading down through the post, it eventually is stated that the troubled device is a clone. Now, I'm not going to make a value judgement for or against clones. I have my opinions, and others have theirs. But, clones aren't authentic devices. Some of the clones have issues that may or may not be present in the original device. I suppose the opposite may be true, as well.
It's frustrating, because when someone starts a thread asking "Why won't my Nemisis fire?"; or "Why won't my Stingray stop firing?"; it's hard to offer any assistance when it's unclear from the onset whether or not the device is authentic or clone.

 

[K_Tech]

More information = better troubleshooting.

 

[suspectK]

I wish I could afford all authentics.. my 4nine and now gus kiss+estia are the only authentic things I have now..minus some of my first pv's that haven't been donated - because they're totally wicked bs.

 

[Rule62]

I wish I could afford all authentics.. my 4nine and now gus kiss+estia are the only authentic things I have now..minus some of my first pv's that haven't been donated - because they're totally wicked bs.

My point wasn't to bash clones. My point was, I just wish that if someone is having an issue with their device, whatever it is, identify it as either an authentic or clone when asking for help.

 

[bsoplinger]

Gotta agree with the OP. Knowing if it's a clone or not can make a huge difference when attempting to help someone. And of course which brand of clone makes a difference also. Perhaps we should campaign for a sticky to remind people of just this issue, you want help you must provide enough info.

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[WattWick]

I find it equally rantworthy that 9 out of 10 new threads in the APV section is about whether to get a Nemesis or Stingray clone, someone looking for their first mech (and ends up with a Stingray or Nemesis clone), or how to fix a Nemesis or Stingray clone.

(This post may contain mild exaggerations for dramatic effect.)

 

[Funk Dracula]

My point wasn't to bash clones. My point was, I just wish that if someone is having an issue with their device, whatever it is, identify it as either an authentic or clone when asking for help.

Once more, even better if they clarify the clone manufacturer. It makes a huge difference.

- "My Stingray button gets hot."

- "Well, is it authentic JD Tech, Infinite clone, HCigar Clone, Tobeco clone, or Fasttech mystery manufacturer clone?"

FIVE different versions of the same damn mod floating out there...

How many companies make Kayfun/Russians at this point???

I too have nothing against clones. I love my Hcigar Hammer, what a great piece.

But yeah, I think it would be helpful if it became more of a habit for people to preface whatever device they're posting about with the manufacturer. Again, that little bit of info makes a huge difference in getting a relevant and helpful answer straight away.

Cheers

 

[anavidfan]

No clone bashing here, BUT, the only problem is that when someone posts " problem with by _________" Or im done with my _________, or my _______leaks or whatever negative thing, is that it becomes associated with the genuine and unknowing people might avoid the brand all together or pass judgement on the genuine atomizer/ MOD.

There are some great clones and some bad genuines...... Its all in the QC. Price does not mean that you will get a flawless device nor does it mean you will get a flawed copy. When you spend on a genuine you expect a certain amount of after purchase care and tech support. You also expect a higher ratio of quality in the threads and cleaning and finish on the genuine.

I think it would be a courtesy to make sure that when one posts a problem or help post, that we clarify that it is a clone/ copy......

 

[Funk Dracula]

I find it equally rantworthy that 9 out of 10 new threads in the APV section is about whether to get a Nemesis or Stingray clone, someone looking for their first mech (and ends up with a Stingray or Nemesis clone), or how to fix a Nemesis or Stingray clone.

(This post may contain mild exaggerations for dramatic effect.)

I reluctantly somewhat agree with you here.

While I do realize ECF's search function is utter crap, and you'll likely get better and more immediate ECF results from plain old google, the Stingray/Nemesis newbie threads are piling up.

Lot's of people want instant gratification and personal answers instead of searching. Now, like I said, I realize ECF's search function sucks; but in the Stingray/Nemesis case, you need to be too lazy to scroll through up to page 2 of the APV forum to run across a dozen relevant threads.

Now that's being lazy...

 

[Rule62]

I reluctantly somewhat agree with you here.

While I do realize ECF's search function is utter crap, and you'll likely get better and more immediate ECF results from plain old google, the Stingray/Nemesis newbie threads are piling up.

Lot's of people want instant gratification and personal answers instead of searching. Now, like I said, I realize ECF's search function sucks; but in the Stingray/Nemesis case, you need to be too lazy to scroll through up to page 2 of the APV forum to run across a dozen relevant threads.

Now that's being lazy...

LOL...Reminds me of "Should I boil cotton?" or "How do I build my Kayfun?"

 

[Chelonian]

I just wish they would make separate forums.

One for originals, one for clones.

I am tired of wading through stuff looking for reviews that are on the unit I want.

 

[doghair]

Lol, this place is a dream compared to working tech support.

The error says "the computer something something"
My power is out but the computer should be working right?
No I can't reboot, I'm not home.

 

[crxess]

Well, coming from a mechanical background, it really is irrelevant as far as function. Not all, but most of the information needed to correct an issue is applicable to a large majority of the mods available today.

I generally assume Clone unless specified as Authentic.
At an Avg of over 10k to 1 in favor of Clone production, odds are it is a clone post.

 

[Rule62]

I generally assume Clone unless specified as Authentic.
At an Avg of over 10k to 1 in favor of Clone production, odds are it is a clone post.

See, that's the rub, I guess. I generally first assume Authentic, unless the poster mentions otherwise.

 

[DaveP]

Obviously clones are far too rampant. My Aspire Nautilus came with a scratch off code on the box bottom and a web site to ensure authenticity. My Kanger Aerotank Mega came with a little circle decal with the logo on it. Put a drop of water on it and it turns blue. When it dries the logo reappears.

It's hard enough to ensure the products are authentic, but it helps to find a dealer who refuses to sell clones and stands behind their line of original manufacturer products. I've found one with a B&M locally. It's reassuring to walk in and look around. Sure, they can be fooled, too, but at least they are working to stay honest.

 

[Rule62]

Obviously clones are far too rampant. My Aspire Nautilus came with a scratch off code on the box bottom and a web site to ensure authenticity. My Kanger Aerotank Mega came with a little circle decal with the logo on it. Put a drop of water on it and it turns blue. When it dries the logo reappears.

It's hard enough to ensure the products are authentic, but it helps to find a dealer who refuses to sell clones and stands behind their line of original manufacturer products. I've found one with a B&M locally. It's reassuring to walk in and look around. Sure, they can be fooled, too, but at least they are working to stay honest.

It's usually not too hard to determine whether a device is a clone or authentic, in person; especially a device you're familiar with. I suppose anyone could be fooled occasionally. But here on a forum, we don't always have the ability top closely examine the device. We only know based on the poster who is looking for help giving as much information as possible.

 

[Ryedan]

Well, coming from a mechanical background, it really is irrelevant as far as function.

I've also got a mechanical background in manufacturing. I know that material selection, manufacturing process choices, tolerances, QA and more can make a huge difference in the final product and the issues that can come up.

This probably doesn't refer so much to differences between clones vs original as much as to differences between any two products.

 

[MrPlink]

Knowledge is power.
Most problems here seem to be user error above all else, regardless of what the device.

 

[MattyB1503]

I just wish they would make separate forums.

One for originals, one for clones.

I am tired of wading through stuff looking for reviews that are on the unit I want.

I actually opened a thread suggesting that very thing.

You know just sweep it under the rug. Segregate those guys... but of course the wording was a bit different.

The thread got a huge response but moderators moved it to the 'suggested improvements to the form' section pretty fast. Fair enough I thought, but then they just closed the thread entirely because it was still gaining attention.

They said and I quote "ECF will never have a sub-form dedicated to clones". Just a guess but I think they're worried about perception. I can already hear the rumors 'did you hear, ECF opened a sub just for... CLONES'.

 

[MattyB1503]

Yeah personally I avoid those threads like the plague. It's not that I'm hateful, there's just too many variables.

Even if I have a comparable authentic, nah; who's to say what's actually going on there.

Is it the Tobeco one or the Hcigar one? My o-rings are tight, mine are loose. My center post spins, mine doesn't make connection. Mine's only 5 thousandths out of tolerance, how far out is yours? Oh wait neither of us have calipers or an authentic, are they both bad?

No thanks.