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John D in CT

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She won't need a spare kit. That one has a replaceable switch. She could buy a spare switch if she wanted, but I've heard no complaints about the new switches (with the blue LED)..

Cool; actually, I think I remember you saying that. So much to remember.

There's 2 batteries but it only uses one at a time. You just rotate them. They're 1050mah, so there's plenty of time to charge one while you use the other. When they get old you might want another set.

This gets to the heart of some confusion I have; if it uses only one 3.7 volt battery, how does it put out 5 volts?

Honestly, I think this is the one she should settle on. Nobody has any complaints about these as far as their vape goes. They're simple, economical and pretty durable. She can use the money she saves on replacing kGos to buy a Provari later on.

Amen to that. Sarah, if you get the e-Power 14650, I'm cutting you out of my will. And this is coming from a guy who just bought five of them for my friends this past weekend. (They're reimbursing me; not rich yet).
 

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No, sorry john, I was saying that the e-Power 14650 is the one she needs. That's the one with a replaceable switch, not the 5V. That's the one that takes one battery. We were cross talking. I thought you were saying she needed 4 batteries for the ego 5V.

You can get 5V out of one 3.7V battery. The Lavatube does it. It gets 6V out of a 3.7v batt. The 5V ego regulates 7.4V down to 5V. The VVs boost the voltage from 3.7 to whatever.
 

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I don't understand why that "woo" kit comes with unprotected batteries if they expect you to stack them. You can't put a price on safety. I only use protected batteries period. A lot of these kits come with junk batteries and chargers. You can get a xtar wp6 charger with 6 [spaces?] on ebay for $38. You can pretty much charge all your batteries on one charger. I would highly recommend this charger as an investment for anyone with multiple mods and batteries. If you only have one pv and/or mod as a newbie right now, that will most likely change sooner than later. I am proof of that after only one month.

I'd have to guess it's the usual reason - make the kit as cheap as possible. The first thing to try would be to upgrade the batteries when you buy the kit. Any reasonable vendor would do that, seems to me. Second option, buy protected batteries and use the unprotected ones in a flashlight. Buy one that takes them, if necessary.

And thanks for the charger recommendation; I'll be getting one. I'm going to be helping many people quit smoking, and will always have kits on hand to sell to people at no profit, and I'll be charging a lot of batteries.
 

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I'd have to guess it's the usual reason - make the kit as cheap as possible. The first thing to try would be to upgrade the batteries when you buy the kit. Any reasonable vendor would do that, seems to me. Second option, buy protected batteries and use the unprotected ones in a flashlight. Buy one that takes them, if necessary.
Will protected batteries fit? A lot of tubes don't have the extra room for a PCB, let alone 2 of them. Your only option could be to get IMRs, but do they even make IMR's in that size?

My guess is that they are relying on the internal regulation circuitry to protect the batts.

If you look at the site again, they're telling people they can stack 2 cr123s for 6V in the other e-Power. CR123s are never protected. Evidently, they trust the internal circuitry enough to recommend stacking unprotected non-IMRs.

Shop around for that charger. I saw the best charger xtar makes for $20 on another site, maybe Orbtronic? Ebay never has the lowest price for new merchandise.
 
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No, sorry john, I was saying that the e-Power 14650 is the one she needs. That's the one with a replaceable switch, not the 5V. That's the one that takes one battery. We were cross talking. I thought you were saying she needed 4 batteries for the ego 5V.

You can get 5V out of one 3.7V battery. The Lavatube does it. It gets 6V out of a 3.7v batt. The 5V ego regulates 7.4V down to 5V. The VVs boost the voltage from 3.7 to whatever.


Yes, we have been cross-talking. Past my bedtime, so that doesn't help.

I was thinking it was down to the Evo V2 or the (Smoktech) EGO 5V; I missed the part where the e-Power 14650 sneaked back in.

The reason I'm pushing for the EGO 5v is that I'm beyond convinced that higher power is the best way to go. Here's a big part of why I'm saying that.

As I said, I just measured all the impedances (ohms) of all of my cartomizers and atomizers, which number less than 10. (I'm really just still getting into this).

eGo-T regular resistance: 3.0 ohms
eGo-T "Low resistance" (first of two): 2.3 ohms
eGo-T "Low resistance" (second of two): 7.0 ohms (checked 3 times)
"ES" brand "1.5 ohm low-resistance" dual-coil carto #1 - 1.9 ohms
"" "" #2 - 2.1 ohms
"" "" #3 - 3.7 ohms
No-name crappy little atomizer - 2.8 ohms
"" "" #2 - 2.8 ohms

At 3.4 volts, I thought I was vaping OK on one or two of these. (Oddly, the 3.0 outperforms the 2.3, probably due to wicking issues). The only other ones that really work a damn are the 1.9 and 2.1 LRDCC's.

So clearly, I have a lot to look forward to in my vaping experience. But I think point one is that a 5-volt could power most of these atomizers that are supposed to be lower resistance than what they are, as well as the higher resistance atomizers it's designed for. And I think point two, a very important one, is that 5 volts at higher resistance will be a superior vape to what I'd be getting at lower voltage, even with properly rated atomizers (/cartomizers).

I go back to my "get the (Smoktech) EGO 5v from Liberty Flights", and buy a spare kit to be able to give to sell to a friend and then replace as needed. (Now I think I "really really do" remember what you said about one not having a replaceable switch, that being the EGO 5v).

We're talking $60 for that spare kit. And to Ms. Six Smartphones. (Oops, did I say that out loud?) LOL. And for a friend struggling with an addiction to cigarettes, there's no better answer to the question "What should I buy, and where" than "this thing right here", that happens to be all charged up and ready to go.

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"Shop around for that charger. I saw the best charger xtar makes for $20 on another site, maybe Orbtronic? Ebay never has the lowest price for new merchandise".

Good tip, and thanks for reminding me about stacked batteries. I'm still trying to wrap my head around getting 5 volts out of a (nominal) 3.7 V battery. I suppose the PV would simply have to have transformer circuitry on a circuit board, but something still doesn't add up. Maybe I can put my finger on it tomorrow.

Thanks for all your help, Sailorman. You really are very knowledgeable and helpful, and lord knows, newcomers (like me) need help with this VERY complex stuff.

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"Will protected batteries fit? A lot of tubes don't have the extra room for a PCB, let alone 2 of them. Your only option could be to get IMRs, but do they even make IMR's in that size?"

**** New version will work with 2x IMR 3.7v Batteries!! Or 2x LiFePo4 3.0v CR123A Batteries. Or 2x LC16340 3.6v Protected Batteries****

http://www.cloudsofvapor.com/store/153-5v-wow/1027-new-5v-wow-mod.html, talking about the Smoktech Woo.

We'll have to find out if the same is true of the Smoktech EGO 5-Volt. Same company, so maybe so.
 
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Ah.. Forgot about LifePos. That might be all right. I've tried 7.4V vaping in my bullet and you can have it. Even 6V with a 3ohm carto is pretty rough for most juice.

My feeling is that if someone is going to pay $70 for a 5V 650mah PV, they might as well get the Lavatube. It's not that much bigger. It'll give you the whole range of voltages and the battery is a standard 1600mah and can be up to 2250mah. Plus, you won't have to worry about replacing batteries right away. The stock batts are safe as-is and a replacement 2250mah Panasonic is only $10 shipped.

Also, with a VV you can standardize ALL your cartos at 3ohms. It's watts that matter, not volts. Sometimes high wattage isn't the best, like with fruity flavors that come out best at about 6-8 watts. If I have 3 cartos of the same resistance and different juice, I might vape one juice at 4V, one at 4.5 and one at 5V. If I was stuck at 5V, I'd have to have 3 or 4 different resistances on hand to get the same effect, not to mention all the increments between them. With a 3-6V VV and a 3ohm carto, you can get from 3 to 12 watts and everything in between. Imagine the range of cartos you'd need to do that if all you had was 5V. Or, you'd have to get out the slide rule to figure all the battery and carto combinations.

As it is, I vape from a tank or large clearomizer. I'll vape the same juice most of the day. I find myself starting at 5 or 5.5V. Toward bedtime, I find myself turning the voltage down to 4.2-4.8 or so. How could I do that with a 5V fixed mod? I'd need at least 2 separate cartomizers or tanks. In my case, having a VV reduces the number of cartos I use.

If the eGo 5V cost significantly less than a Lavatube, then maybe. But if you're stuck at a fixed voltage, you're stuck at a fixed voltage. The only real advantage to 5V is that you dont need as low a resistance to get higher wattage. But sometimes you might want those equally expensive high resistance cartos.
 
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I'm going to get the e-power if I can find it anywhere. Your guys' discussion is awesome. I have a little while yet before I can order, maybe I'll order the small stuff first. I'm going to go through and pick out some extras today and just check to make sure I'm grabbing the right stuff. Cartos and tanks and ming drip tips oh my :p
 

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I'm going to get the e-power if I can find it anywhere. Your guys' discussion is awesome. I have a little while yet before I can order, maybe I'll order the small stuff first. I'm going to go through and pick out some extras today and just check to make sure I'm grabbing the right stuff. Cartos and tanks and ming drip tips oh my :p

Ming drips tips are good, so are Faberge, Waterford Crystal, and the classic solid gold. Speaking of that, I found the perfect PV for you - don't know why this didn't occur to me sooner.

ProVari Variable Voltage Electronic Cigarette

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OK, maybe not that exact model, but there is a variable voltage PV in your future. And I say future because I think I finally have this thing figured out. Instead of fearing "device creep", we should be embracing it. Not the endless acquisition of every doodad and geegaw that appears on the market, but a sober, logical two-step progression to a variable voltage device that everyone knows you're going to end up with eventually. (How do we know? Three words; six - smart - phones. I had you pegged for a variable voltage girl right out of the gate). :)

Step one: get a 3.7 volt device first, with replaceable batteries, and get the appropriately-rated (ohms) attachments to go with it.

Step two: when you can no longer stand hearing about all of the benefits of variable voltage vaping, as Sailorman has already gone into quite a bit just in this thread, get a top-notch VV device. As of April 2012, I'd say the ProVari V2; starter kit $211.95.

ProVari Variable Voltage Ecig: Best Variable Voltage E Cig Available!

Advantages of this strategy:

None of the attachments you get for the 3.7 device will become obsolete when you get the VV.

The 3.7 will be more portable and stealthy; think of the 3.7 as a laptop, and the VV as a desktop.

You can explain to your husband exactly why you are going to be buying a second PV, and then a third, and he will be unable to refute the logic of it. How sweet is that?

When you do get the VV, your vaping experience will go through the roof, and all of your attachments will work better than they ever have, except for those that just happened to chance upon the exact right combination of voltage, ohms, and juice flavor, thickness, and PG/VG ratio. With a VV, you can dial that in at will.

And finally, this can all be done for FAR less than the cost of cigarettes. One pack a day is $2000-3000 a year. That makes (even) the ProVari start to look cheap.

So there it is, the "Minnesota Two-step", a dance craze that will soon be sweeping the nation.

Your vaping future is looking so bright, ya gotta wear shades.

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Reading material:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lack-satin-provari-v2-blue-led-just-me-2.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ktech-e-power-14650-kits-stock-right-now.html
 
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The 3VO is a pretty inexpensive selectable voltage mod also. $48 base price. 3.7v on 1 battery. Stack 2 16340's and get 4, 4.5, and 5volt settings. I really like mine. It was my first experience with higher voltage. Although, I am still saving up for Provari for my 2 month celebration of being analog free. Tomorrow will be one month!!!!:toast:
 

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No? Well you SHOULD! :)

Come to think of it, I've switched sides, and I'm now with you husband - be satisfied with the kit you bought! :p

Those sound very yummy. I may try the lava juice. I also definitely want some strawberry and peach flavors. I think I may end up being a fruity girl!

I loveeee fruit flavors.....watermelon, peach, green Apple......yummy
 

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18650 EP What about this e-power?

Hi Sarah -

It's going to have just about the same exact vaping functionality as the 14650; it's just a physically larger device due to the (much) larger battery. There might be subtle differences in the vape because of the apparent (to me) fact that the battery won't be discharging as quickly, being about 2800mah instead of around 1,000. It's just a matter of ergonomics and appearance, with extra battery life thrown in.

And what do you think about the strategy of starting with an e-Power (or similar) power unit, and then graduating to variable voltage?

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kotikat - I love fruit flavors too, and just ordered a WHOLE bunch of them over the weekend. I'll post some reviews of them in this thread when I've tried them.
 

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I think I'll stick with the 14650, if I can find one next week :( I'm up for the idea of saving for a provari, they are gorgeous. I was looking at the provape on the site, I just really can't afford to spend that much. You know it's easy to spend 5 bucks on cigarettes every day but it's hard to come up with 125 to get started vaping. Makes me wonder how I come up with it everyday.

And in defense of cellphone addiction, a couple of those phones were traded for a new phone. However I got ripped off 200$ by a conman, which my husband found very not awesome. So the phone I have now cost me twice as much as it should have because of that. I feel that I am over the hump of my cellphone addiction. Of course now I have to replace that with something..... :D and that's where you guys come in!

I definitely am going to order a bunch of fruity flavors. Where do you buy yours kotikat?
 

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18650 EP What about this e-power?

John described the main differences, but don't be too put off by the fact it's a little bigger. It's really not all that noticeable in real life. An 18650 battery is only 1/10" inch. larger in diameter and about 3/4" longer than a 16450. Yet it's 2X the capacity. Your voltage will stay up much longer. For example, in my Lavatube, I can vape steadily for 8 hours and never let the battery fall below 3.8V before re-charging. Since you can vape all day without draining it nearly as much as a smaller battery, the overall lifespan will be a lot longer as well. Also, 18650 batteries are more common than 16450's so, when you need to replace a battery, there will be more options to choose from and the cost per mah will be less, like the fantastic Panasonic safe 2250mah IMR that costs only $8 at Smartvapes. I have paid more than that for batteries less than 1/2 the size, and not as good a quality. (AW 900mah ICR)
Personally, I think it the advantages of an 18650 outweigh the small difference in size.
 

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And they are easier to find :/ do these ones take just one battery at a time?

Also I do have a question about cartos, tanks, and clearomizers. Which ones last longer? I like the tanks but they are fairly spendy and if they don't last I don't want to replace them all the time. I assume clearomizers use a drip tip and that sounds like the easiest filling to me. What's the difference between clearomizers and cartomizers? If I get the larger battery e-power what ohm accessories do I buy?

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And one more question. What is the difference between an atomizer and the other two? Isn't an atomizer the same thing that's in the cheap ecigs. I assume those are refillable also. Is there an advantage of one over the other?
I do want something that's easier to fill and easy to clean.

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O.k., one at a time here.

Yes, all the ePowers use one battery at a time. Vape one while the other is recharging.

In my experience, clearomizers last longer. One reason is that, with a lot of clearomizers, you can clean them far easier, and with better results, than with cartomizers. I have clearomizers on their 4th and 5th weeks after being cleaned 3 or 4 times. Cartomizers generally last a week or two when not used in a tank. In a tank, they last longer because they are kept continuously wet.

When you use a tank, you don't replace the tank, you replace the cartomizer that fits inside it. You can get cartomizers with the hole(s) already punched into them, or you can get regular cartomizers and punch your own holes in them. The "pre-punched" cartomizers cost about twice the regular cartomizer price. The thing is, tanks that use cartomizers are not disposable. Some have replacement parts, like o-rings that seal the caps on the tubes, but the only disposable part is the cartomizer that fits inside.

Some clearomizers use their own mouthpieces, e.g. the Vision Giant clearomizer. Usually, it's the very large clearomizers that have their own mouthpieces because they are too big around for a normal 510 drip tip to fit on them. Most smaller clearomizers, the ones that are about the size of a regular cartomizer, can use a normal 510 drip tip (except G4s).

A conventional cartomizer contains an coil and some type of fiber filling, usually polyester, to absorb and hold the juice. If you let that filling get too dry, you risk having it burn or scorch. That ruins the flavor, and the cartomizer. When used in a tank, the carto is kept continually wet, so that doesn't come up. When you are starting out, you need to be careful and "top off" your carto frequently by dripping some drops into it until you learn the signs of a cartomizer that is in danger of running dry. When it runs dry and scorches the filler material, you will know it. Prepare to burn a carto or two until you learn the signs of a carto that needs to be topped off. (taste change, weaker vapor)

A clearomizer is like a cartomizer, except that there is no fiber filling. The juice is held in a chamber and fed to the coil by means of a wick. The outer shell is generally clear or semi-transparent, hence the name. Because the juice must be fed through a wick, they are sensitive to the thickness of the juice. Thicker juice doesn't wick as well as thinner juice and the vaper is more likely to get "dry hits". Most of them have the coil near the top (CE2) and the juice has to wick all the way up, or the carto must be tilted to get the juice to the coil. Some (CE3, G4) have the coil at the bottom and are better for thick juice. Also, the ones with the top coil usually have a silicone or rubber plug over the ceramic cup that contains the coil. This causes a burnt, plastic taste when new and most people perform some tweaks and minor surgery on the plastic plug, or discard it entirely. Doing this, however, introduces a risk of flooding or gurgling or leaking or getting raw juice in your mouth. When clearomizers are working well, they provide a cleaner flavor due to nothing contacting the coil except the juice.

There is no difference between the accessories you would get for an 18650 or 14650 battery powered PV. Both batteries are 510 threaded and both provide 3.7 volts. Some accessories are specifically designed for eGos. Those might require a $4 510/eGo adapter. But in terms of ohms, or resistance, there is no difference.

In a cheap e-cig, the piece that fits on the battery is often referred to as a "cartridge". It is technically a cartomizer, since it contains the coil (atomizer) as well as the juice in a one-piece assembly. Cartomizer = cartridge + atomizer

An atomizer is a one piece assembly that contains only the coil and relies on a separate piece (a cartridge or in the case of some eGos, a "tank") to hold and deliver juice to the coil. Don't be confused between the proper definition of "cartridge" and the way that cheap e-cig makers use the word. Their "cartridges" are actually cartomizers, they just call them cartridges so as not to scare new vapers.

If you don't have a PV that uses a separate cartridge or "tank" to deliver juice to the atomizer, the best use of an atomizer is for direct dripping. Instead of a cartridge delivering juice to the atomizer, you do it manually, drop by drop, through the drip tip that attaches to the mouth end of the atomizer.

A tank is easy to fill and clean. There are two types. One uses a cartomizer with a hole in it. The cartomizer slides into the tank, sticks out of both ends of the tank, and uses juice in the tank to keep its filler material wet. The other type contains it's own coil and wicks totally enclosed inside the tank, similar to a CE2 clearomizer. Good cartomizer type tanks include the J-Tank and the Mom & Pops tanks. The Smoketech DCT is not a very good tank, although it is cheap. The cartomizer can slide up and down and even come out enough to let the juice out and make a mess.

A good tank that doesn't need a separate punched cartomizer and that works on the same principle as a CE2 clearomizer is the Vision Stone 3. This is the one I use. It has replaceable innards, so it is not disposable. It tastes cleaner than any tank with a cartomizer because there is no filler. It's about the same price as a cheap Smoketech tank, and the guts are about $3. They also last a very long time, longer than the cartomizer you'd put in a tank. Plus, they look really, really, cool.

Gotvapes has the best pictures of the Vision Stone 3 Tank, but not necessarily the best price.
Look under the "tank" category on their website.

GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more
 
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