Just got an eVic, but it should be a Provari

[crxess]

I have one. It's sitting in a box of broken, cheap, poorly made items.


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Will then, Not that I'm buying it but I suppose I should apologize. I am surprised you have never made any mention of yours until now.
I did run across a picture of you and your Provari. Nice device. I can also now see why you may feel the eVic is a cheaper device.
At 130lbs(me not the eVic) the eVic doesn't feel cheap to me and after 35 years of working with and watching electronics evolve I simply see a more advanced device. More of a large Flat screen vs. a Console TV if you get my drift.

 

[flintlock62]

I think there is a LOT of exaggeration going on. We all know there are 24 hours in a day. 3,000 ÷ 24 = 125 days. I think I would need a little sleep after that.

The Provari button dies after only 300 hours? Funny, since they are made to MIL spec's. Sounds like the lowly Provari is a piece of trash.

70 days since Christmas when the Evic started to appear in the wild = 1680 hours.
At 10 seconds max per vape = 10080 puffs

I think there's a slight bit of exaggeration going on.

 

[AnsonJames]

I think there is a LOT of exaggeration going on. We all know there are 24 hours in a day. 3,000 ÷ 24 = 125 days. I think I would need a little sleep after that.

The Provari button dies after only 300 hours? Funny, since they are made to MIL spec's. Sounds like the lowly Provari is a piece of trash.

I think you'd need a little funeral after that too.
My Provari has been functioning perfectly since September, despite dropping it about 25 times.

I really do think the Evic is a decent bit of kit, it looks really fantastic with a bit of aftermarket steel screwed on to it;

 

[flintlock62]

Yeah, I've seen those after market battery sleeves. I may get one for when I'm out and about. Where did you get it? I'm assuming that's for a 18350?

I think you'd need a little funeral after that too.
My Provari has been functioning perfectly since September, despite dropping it about 25 times.

I really do think the Evic is a decent bit of kit, it looks really fantastic with a bit of aftermarket steel screwed on to it;

 

[crxess]

70 days since Christmas when the Evic started to appear in the wild = 1680 hours.
At 10 seconds max per vape = 10080 puffs

I think there's a slight bit of exaggeration going on.

I have to agree with that on both sides of these debates.
People seem to get crazy trying to make their point more believable.

I got my eVics early and have not had any issues so far. Others have not been so lucky. Still people need to realize this is a first run design and it is very common for issues to come out as the test of time comes into play.

Provari has also been a evolving process.
It did not magically appear in its present form but rather grew from the first provape design or perhaps further back - History on Provape is hard to find.
Provape is a US company and as such is held to many laws not governing business' abroad. Provape is also a Specialty company, small in comparison to many it the same market, with most of its eggs in one basket. This demands top quality for survival.
None of this is a negative.
The only downside I see with Provari is the shear intimidation imposed by some of the people that own it. I also highly doubt Provape believes in beating people into submission.

 

[Hello World]

After saying you've had two Evics do 1500 hours without problems (are you sure about this?) you happen to mention that your Provari broke after 300 hours of use - incidentally, can I ask how you measure usage times on your devices?

Date purchased, hours used per day, days in service amount vaped daily, both eVics running at the same time. 4ml per day each, same as the Provari when it was up and running.

I assumed you were talking about VW as there isn't much else that the Evic does that the Provari doesn't.

I see the voltage, wattage, resistance and battery charge left any time I glance over at the eVic on the table. eVic polls the ohms every 2 seconds and detects partial shorts, so you are not left scratching your head why hot spots are cropping up.

As far as the Provari being relegated to the dinosaur age "where it almost belongs now" (is this not a bash?) after Joyetech's next release - what's it going to do exactly?

Granted, by making that statement, another can of worms could be opened railroading this thread completely, although I stand by that statement and have objective and factual points to make a rock solid case. Let's see where the mod makers will take it next year and the innovations brought to the table.

The Provari button dies after only 300 hours?

Reality Check: It's broken.

The only downside I see with Provari is the shear intimidation imposed by some of the people that own it. I also highly doubt Provape believes in beating people into submission.

It's people who detract from the topic of the discussion by targeting posters personally referring to them as "haters" and other forms of tabloid style yellow journalism tactics. It's PR work, the intention never honest.

 

[worthatry]

Provari price adds up quickly especially if it is your first Mod. You look and say oh a Provari with a blemish only $140-$160 range maybe I will get one. Then oh you want the extender cap add $20. Need some batteries another $20. Want some smaller ones as well add another $20. How about a charger, $15 please. Want a different color LED, of course you do, that will be another $15. We can make it a passthrough in your car for only $65. I assume they charge for shipping, not sure no mention of free offer on the site that I see. So then you go to check out and it's like $300+. Or I could go buy 3 Evics. I don't know maybe one day.

 

[flintlock62]

May I be so bolt as to ask the purchase date of your eVic's?

Date purchased, hours used per day, days in service amount vaped daily, both eVics running at the same time. 4ml per day each, same as the Provari when it was up and running.

 

[flintlock62]

A complete kit from Provari costs $212. Batteries? Your not getting extra batteries for your eVic?

Some people want extender caps, others don't. Some people want different color LED's, others don't. Some people want a device they know will hold up, and has the best warranty and track record, other don't.

Provari price adds up quickly especially if it is your first Mod. You look and say oh a Provari with a blemish only $140-$160 range maybe I will get one. Then oh you want the extender cap add $20. Need some batteries another $20. Want some smaller ones as well add another $20. How about a charger, $15 please. Want a different color LED, of course you do, that will be another $15. We can make it a passthrough in your car for only $65. I assume they charge for shipping, not sure no mention of free offer on the site that I see. So then you go to check out and it's like $300+. Or I could go buy 3 Evics. I don't know maybe one day.

 

[worthatry]

A complete kit from Provari costs $212. Batteries? Your not getting extra batteries for your eVic?

I do not. I have had mine for 3 months I believe (would have to go back and look at the purchase date) 1 battery, no problem. I have a twist and a couple egos though for backup if anything did happen to the battery and a B&M I can buy another battery anytime so it might not be ideal for everybody but works for me and no problem so far.

 

[Hello World]

May I be so bolt as to ask the purchase date of your eVic's?

Yes you may. The day it was officially released.

 

[flintlock62]

Well, if you don't need more batteries for a eVic, why must one need extra one's for a Provari? Wouldn't just one be enough?

I do not. I have had mine for 3 months I believe (would have to go back and look at the purchase date) 1 battery, no problem. I have a twist and a couple egos though for backup if anything did happen to the battery and a B&M I can buy another battery anytime so it might not be ideal for everybody but works for me and no problem so far.

 

[AnsonJames]

Date purchased, hours used per day, days in service amount vaped daily, both eVics running at the same time. 4ml per day each, same as the Provari when it was up and running.


I see the voltage, wattage, resistance and battery charge left any time I glance over at the eVic on the table. eVic polls the ohms every 2 seconds and detects partial shorts, so you are not left scratching your head why hot spots are cropping up.

So the fact you have to press the button to check the charge and resistance makes the Provari belong to the Dinosaur age?
What did people do before they could see the resistance of the device they were using?

As far as 1500 hours of usage is concerned, sorry there's no way unless you didn't sleep and you got your Evics 2 months before they appeared on the shelves.

I like my Provari, I like my Evic.

My Provari has performed flawlessly and my Evic works very nicely so far also - no need to cast aspersions as to the performance of the Provari just because you had a problem with yours, the fact the you can't see resistance and battery charge at a glance doesn't make it antiquated by any means either.

It's heavy - it's made from thick walled steel - I like it that way.

Variable wattage is something that isn't in the slightest bit useful to me as all cartos/rebuildables/ce2's act differently and produce different results at the same voltage/wattage - as do eliquids.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Ravalstoney]

I went straight for Provari Mini for my first mod. I can come back to the other stuff and it'll be easier to. After the Vision spinner dies, I'm goin Itaste for a backup.

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[AnsonJames]

Yeah, I've seen those after market battery sleeves. I may get one for when I'm out and about. Where did you get it? I'm assuming that's for a 18350?

It's a Kir Fanis mod from Greece and it's telescopic to accommodate everything up to 18650 - there are lists on Vaporwall and UKV for it .
They're €44 a set, so pretty reasonably priced too.

 

[worthatry]

Well, if you don't need more batteries for a eVic, why must one need extra one's for a Provari? Wouldn't just one be enough?

The Evic hooks up through the USB cable to the computer and works as a passthrough while charging the battery. So I can vape on it while charging the battery. It is my understanding that the Provari does not do in device charging.

 

[flintlock62]

Yes you may. The day it was officially released.

Even if you used both eVic's simultaneously, you would have had to used them non stop for 17 hours a day. The release date was 12/12/2012. It takes time to ship from China, so it would have been difficult to have have them in your hands on that date. I assume you kept them on pass though the entire time.

Edit: I assume you also drink lots, and lots of coffee.

 

[crxess]

I think there is a LOT of exaggeration going on. We all know there are 24 hours in a day. 3,000 ÷ 24 = 125 days. I think I would need a little sleep after that.

The Provari button dies after only 300 hours? Funny, since they are made to MIL spec's. Sounds like the lowly Provari is a piece of trash.

I could agree more on the exaggerations.
As to a button failure - I think we can all agree that even in the Best of manufacturing process an occasional undetected defect can get by. He is probably referring to the switch but saying button. Since the circuit boards are likely outsourced and shipped in for final assembly there are several chances along the way for incidental damage. One more reason to provide a strong warranty.

I'd like to personally thank you for lightening your responses and offering knowledge/assistance. It does make for much better reading whether in agreement or not on any given point.

 

[flintlock62]

Absolutely, anything can fail. I typically use Gigabyte motherboards when I build a system for a client. I have had a couple of them DOA or burn out quickly. Yes, the circuit boards are outsourced for the Provari. The same goes for the eVic. Manufacturing an entire product under one roof is seldom done.

Edit: I also use ASUS MB's and have had an occasion problem with them too.

I could agree more on the exaggerations.
As to a button failure - I think we can all agree that even in the Best of manufacturing process an occasional undetected defect can get by. He is probably referring to the switch but saying button. Since the circuit boards are likely outsourced and shipped in for final assembly there are several chances along the way for incidental damage. One more reason to provide a strong warranty.

I'd like to personally thank you for lightening your responses and offering knowledge/assistance. It does make for much better reading whether in agreement or not on any given point.

 

[AnsonJames]

I could agree more on the exaggerations.
As to a button failure - I think we can all agree that even in the Best of manufacturing process an occasional undetected defect can get by. He is probably referring to the switch but saying button. Since the circuit boards are likely outsourced and shipped in for final assembly there are several chances along the way for incidental damage. One more reason to provide a strong warranty.

I'd like to personally thank you for lightening your responses and offering knowledge/assistance. It does make for much better reading whether in agreement or not on any given point.

Provari boards are custom made in the USA as are all the components that are still made in America - the rest come from China, etc. Everything is then assembled in Washington.

From Provape;

Parts - Machined right here in Monroe, WA. We use US-made stainless steel bar stock to produce the tubes, top caps, bottom caps, contact pins, etc. Everything is done on our machines locally. No outsourcing.

Bare Circuit Boards - Manufactured in Illinois. We do not purchase the circuit boards from China due to their poor quality. While the circuit boards are more expensive to produce in the USA; this is the heart of the system and it’s important to us that they are the best quality we can get. Each PCB is electronically tested before it ever sees components.

Electronic Components on Circuit Board – these are the only parts that might come from outside of the USA. Some of these parts are simply not made in the US, so we can’t get them from a US source, even though we would prefer to.

We use components from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, China and the USA.


Component assembly - Components are soldered onto the circuit boards at a facility outside Seattle, Washington. After getting components installed, the boards are tested several more times at our Monroe facility to ensure they are ready to ship. We test each one multiple times to give you the most reliable product you can get.

We don't cut any corners when it comes to quality control, testing, and component selection.

That really counts for something in my book.