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John D in CT

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The Volt must remain in the discussion and in consideration for a first PV. I know at least one person who quit with a Volt as a first PV and is still using it after several months without smoking.

The Volt has absolutely no place in offering compelling compelling reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class battery over a variable voltage one. That is the direct question that seems to keep getting danced around. And it is not my fault that the Twist is currently the only one there is.

Variable voltage APVs offer less battery capacity per size than single voltage APVs. Portability is a valuable asset for any APV.

I think you're stretching a bit here. (?) The 650mah eGo-C Twist is 3 7/8" long. I recommend getting two, making battery life a virtual non-issue IMO.

There is no compelling reason to recommend a variable voltage APV over a regulated single voltage APV for the prospective owner of a first PV.

That very questionable (IMO) opinion begs the question - "What is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class device over a variable voltage eGo-class device?" I ain't buyin' "decreased battery life". Nuh-uh.

As far as E-Power 14650 goes: it has a 1000mAh battery that lasts quite a while, it's very portable and the batteries cost a fraction of what a proprietary battery/battery tube/switch/electronics combo will cost. E-Power 14650 uses a protected Li-ion (ICR) battery that has the same capacity as some other APVs: like some eGos and the kGo. However, it lacks the higher drain LiPo battery of kGo and some others which may offer better performance with LR dual coil cartos

The Twist has a 650mah battery that lasts quite a while. (The 1000mah lasts a while longer, but you could put an eye out with that thing).

The Twist is also very portable.

The e-Power does offer the advantage of replaceable batteries. IMO opinion that is not a compelling enough reason to recommend it over the variable voltage Twist to beginners - or to much of anyone. Sorry. And when the Twist battery finally gives out - although I still use the first Joyetech eGo battery that I bought ten months ago, which shows no signs of slowing down - it's not the worst thing in the world to plunk down another $19 to get a brand spankin' new one with no scratches on it and with a brand new switch.

The e-Power - which I have three of - remains on my list of "pretty cool" devices to buy just for the heck of it, "down the road"; but it is not what I send new recruits into battle with. It's just not. It once was, but never again will it be.

I realize that a lot of people are annoyed by the Twist, but you might just all have to get over it. It's a great device. Some say .... a game changer.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Ol8qWPic&feature=g-all-c Grimm Green Twist Game changer

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And has anyone seen Sailorman? I'm beginning to get worried.
 
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Kindly provide dimensions of Twist with 650mAh and 1000mAh battery and cone if provided. Feel free to not include carto/atty and drip tip. The E-Power with cone (1050mAh battery) measures 17mm in diameter and 126mm in length (99mm in length without cone).

With E-Power 14650 batteries costing less than $5.00 apiece I can afford to charge up batteries once per week in one batch. Sure beats having two Twist batteries that I would have to recharge every single friggin' day.
 

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A Volt with a PCC is a great option for a hell of a lot of people.
And with that said, I'm not repeating my arguments just because they are not being understood.

At this point, I don't even know if we are talking about the same things anymore.

A twist is a lot longer, and that is the only reason someone might need to NOT want it.
I hope that satisifies your criterion for an answer to your "friggin" challenge.

I have to disagree that the "Twist is a lot longer".

I just measured a Joyetech 650mah eGo-T battery, and a 650mah eGo-C Twist battery, from the bottom to the top of the 510 connection. I refuse to discuss cones, atomizers, or any other attachment for what I think are obvious reasons.

The eGo-T is 3.7945" long, and the eGo-C Twist is 3.8530" long. That is a difference of .0585"; less than 1/16 of an inch.

And I have absolutely, positively no idea why the Volt keeps coming up. I have stated my question consistently and repeatedly. It involves the recommendation of an xGo fixed voltage battery over an eGo variable voltage battery. The Volt is in a different class.

A brief look back at its origins and history:

Someone: "I'd go (and did) with two EGO-T batteries ..... "

Me: "Could you please share your reasoning behind recommending the fixed-voltage eGo battery over the variable-voltage eGo Twist? (Or are you simply unaware of the existence of the Joyetech Twist, which is certainly forgiveable).

The Volt does not belong in what I consider the crux of this discussion, and to me, that is: is there a compelling reason to recommend to someone a fixed-voltage xGo-class device over a variable-voltage xGo class device; namely, the Joyetech eGo-C Twist. If so, what is it".

Me: "So what is the rationale for not recommending a Twist over a kGo or eGo?"

Me: "And I still welcome a compelling argument for recommending an "xGo" fixed-voltage battery over a variable voltage eGo-class battery, which currently consists of a single device - the Joyetech eGo-C Twist".

Me: "This brings me squarely back to my main question; what is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed voltage device over a variable voltage device to someone just starting out?"

Someone: "The Volt must remain in the discussion and in consideration for a first PV. I know at least one person who quit with a Volt as a first PV and is still using it after several months without smoking".

Me: "The Volt has absolutely no place in offering compelling compelling reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class battery over a variable voltage one. That is the direct question that seems to keep getting danced around. And it is not my fault that the Twist is currently the only one there is".

Someone: "There is no compelling reason to recommend a variable voltage APV over a regulated single voltage APV for the prospective owner of a first PV". [This is not my question].

Me: "That very questionable (IMO) opinion begs the question - "What is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class device over a variable voltage eGo-class device?" I ain't buyin' "decreased battery life ..... "

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So no, 1/16 of an inch doesn't quite "measure up". The question still stands, and another is added. Why is this such a sensitive "friggin' " issue? Can we try to keep this as scientific and dispassionate as possible, for everyone's sake?
 
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Whatever...

If you're going to keep this up then I'm sure we will meet again.
In the meantime, I'm done for now.

It has been my experience that "whatever" is often the response of someone who's "got nothin' ", and I have never thought much of it in the way of a contribution to a serious and fruitful exchange of ideas.

If by "this" you mean the use of logic and reason to determine optimal recommendations to vapers of all levels, then yes, I suppose we will meet again. You might use the intervening time to come up with an alternate response.

I know you said "you're done for now", but you are invited to "have the last word". I ask only that it be civil and non-judgmental.
 

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If you look above you'll notice I edited all of my posts that you responded to before you responded to them.

The things I said before editing were far less than what I really wanted to say.
But they were also more than what I wanted to say, because I'm just not into doing hardcore battle here.

So I'll leave my edits in place and that is all I'm saying for now.
Your mind is closed, and you're simply not hearing me, so why should I continue talking to a wall?
 
Hi and welcome to ECF. There are sseveral categories you're going to have to choose from.
Smaller cig sized PV such A's the volt.
Larger true 3.7 volt Kgo/ Riva or E- Power.
Variable voltage Twist- cheapest of the VV but after buying a full kit costs about $60-$70.
Next is the LavaTube/ Lambo / KnightRider/ / VTube- a VV and cheaper version of the Provari- can be purchased for about $55.00.
Provari- the Rolls Royce of VV PVs.
Understand with ALL of the above PVs you can add different delivery systems- cartos, carto+ tank, clearimzers, etc.
I would suggest you consider the Kgo starter kit for about $45 and add some Boge or somk tech Cartomizers. Also might be a good idea to also order some V2 stardust Clearomizers or vivi nova tanks- both are tank systems and only need to be re filled 2-3 times per day.
Good Luck.

Thanks for your thoughts.

•I'm initially willing to invest $400 to $600 on startup kits, hardware, cartos etc not including juice (hell that's still less than what it costs me to smoke a month)

•I don't want anything that looks like a cigarette. I want to get away from those damn things

•I'm not too self conscious about the size of the PV in public within reason

•I'm leaning towards a tank that I can refill myself and that is clear so I can see how much juice I have left

•1 smaller or short stumpy PV that I can take out drinking with me and on the plane ( I travel a lot)

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Yes, I have some ideas.

Fortunately, you have a great attitude. You "get it". You understand that cigarettes are the enemy, vaping is a great - and probably the best - way to ditch them, and you're willing to spend whatever it takes to vanquish them. This reminds me of a very good movie I just watched called "Charlie Wilson's War", about a US Congressman who was instrumental in getting weapons to the mujahadeen in Afghanistan so they could defeat the Russians. He eventually increased their funding from $5 million to $1 billion, and they proceeded to shoot down and destroy hundreds of Hind gunship helicopters, Mig fighters, and tanks that were previously cutting them to pieces. The Soviets were defeated and withdrew from Afghanistan, and a few years later, the Soviet Union dissolved, the Berlin Wall came down, and the Cold War was essentially over.

Charlie Wilson's main CIA contact put him in touch with a weapons expert who told him exactly what the mujahadeen would need to defeat the Russians. I don't claim to be an "expert" on vaping equipment, but I do know a fair amount, and I am going to recommend to you what I would get to defeat the enemy.

First, everything I'm going to recommend will be variable voltage. IMO there is no longer any compelling reason to buy a fixed-voltage device. There are quite a few that are cool to have, like the Silver Bullet, Black Beauty, kGo battery, or Joyetech 18650 mod, but those are on the periphery of essential vaping hardware. Variable voltage (VV) is at the epicenter. VV allows you to warm the coil or coils to exactly the right temperature to suit a wide variety of conditions; juice flavor ("lighter" flavors, like a fruit flavor might want less heat, and "heavier" ones, like coffee or chocolate, might want more), PG/VG composition, juice delivery to the coils, and even your mood.

That's a hell of a budget you've got there; again, a testament to your good sense since you are clearly aware of how much you've been spending on cigarettes, and realize how short-sighted it would be to underfund the mujahadeen. There are a select few VV devices that are worth buying IMO, and you could buy any one of them - or two, or three, for that matter. IMO, they include:

The ProVari V2, the Smoktech VMax, the Apollo SS Vtube, the Buzz Pro 2, and the Joyetech eGo-C Twist.

For your "power sources", I'm going to recommend that you get the ProVari V2 and three 650mah (milliamp-hour) Twists. If ProVape can't get a V2 sent to you in time for your trip, I'd go ahead and get a VMax from All About Vapor, in chrome - they just lowered the price from $128.95 to $95.50, now including two AW IMR 18350 batteries, making it an all-out "Buy" IMO. No, the VMax does not have nearly as many "user-hours" under its belt as the ProVari V2, which has earned its reputation as an extremely high-quality, extremely reliable, and very, very well-performing device, but neither has it shown any appreciable signs that it will fail to make quite a good reputation for itself. 'Version 1.0" had some quirks - endearing enough to me that I bought two more of them - but they have been "fixed" in "Version 1.1" which is now what virtually all vendors have in stock.

As for the "business end" of the power source, I like Smoktech 3.5ml (milliliter) DCT tanks fitted with Boge single-coil stainless steel "XL"-sized cartomizers, the Vivi Nova tank with replaceable atomizers of various resistances, the Bulli atomizer, and the GG Odysseus atomizer/tank. The last three have the distinction of being liked by me without my ever trying or owning any of them. You might also want to try a Joyetech "C"-type atomizer, just to try it. You might just like it. It's a three-piece version of the Joyetech "T"-type one-piece atomizer, comprised of a base, a cone, and a replaceable atomizer "head". Thee heads come in 5-packs of either 1.7 (?) ohm "low resistance", or 2.3 (?) ohm regular resistance. Some people love them, some people hate them, some are in between. You won't know which "camp" you'll fall into if you never try them. As this insanely long thread testifies to:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/232530-new-ovale-ego-c-changeble-system.html -

the Joyetech tank system has some quirks and possible shortcomings. That said, it can be a pretty nice setup for "stealth vaping", or vaping at work, out on the town, and is very pocket-friendly IMO.

Other threads I recommend you read:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/304652-dual-single-coil-twist.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ined-detail-single-dual-coil-atty-cartos.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/304955-what-best-vv-pv-market-today-2.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...385-new-variable-voltage-device-smoktech.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-video-reviews/295530-smoktech-v-max-review.html

YouTube Reviews:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube pbusardo slotting cartomizers

SmokTech V-MAX Review: Round 2 - YouTube SmokTech V-MAX Review: Round 2

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

I wouldn't bother watching any reviews of the ProVari V2; they're all good, it's all good. A "knock" on the Provari for its price is an absurd "knock" IMO.

For the Twist/tank/carto/etc., this is exactly what I would get: [Cut and paste from another post]

Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery (MyVaporStore)

Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank: Pro DCTank Tube (MyVaporStore)

USB charger: eGo Rapid USB Charger 6.75 (MyVaporStore)

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25 (MyVaporStore)

eGo trim piece: eGo Cone Cover for DCTank (MyVaporStore)

Plain drip tip: Colored Drip Tip - 510/901 (MyVaporStore)

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping CrystalClearVaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix n Match (5 Boxes) SureVapes - $0.92 each

No, I do not own, work for, or am in any way affiliated with MyVaporStore.com.

You will like it, and you wlll like it very much. You will have to slot the cartomizers; either per Phil Busardo's YouTube video:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube - or PM me and I will call you and tell you how to do it. You'll need to own or borrow a Dremel tool for someone, and you'll need some Dremel cut-off wheels, # 409. Or you can buy a cartomizr punch. It's hard to find pre-punched cartomizers that will work well with lower-voltage devices, even ones that go up to 4.8 volts like the Twist. Some people - including MyVaporStore - will say that dual coil cartomizers work fine on lower-voltage devices - but they do not.

From the MyVaporStore website:

These cartomizers were designed specifically for use with Dual Coil Tank (DCTank) Tubes. A 510 drip tip and DCTank tube is needed in order to use these cartomizers. There is a hole punch on the side of them so may leak if used without a DCTank Tube.

All of our eLiquid will work with the DCTank (full PG or 50/50 PG/VG). Full VG eliquid is too thick and will not work well in theDCTank. [VG will work much better in a carto slotted for it].

These new cartomizers contain two heating coils instead of one to produce more vapor than your standard cartomizer [if you can put enough volts/watts to them]. They have been designed to work great with 3.7V batteries [Not IMO] or a HV (high voltage) setup. Available in 1.5ohm or 2.5ohm. Please allow +/- 0.3 variation. We recommend 1.5ohm for Ego batteries [why?] or 3.0V-4.2V batteries and 2.5ohm for 5V or higher. These cartomizers must be used with batteries of 650mAh capacity or higher and are known to discharge batteries much quicker than single coil cartomizers.

This is nowhere near as complicated as it might seem, and will be well worth the modest learning curve to figure out. This thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

contains a thorough discussion of why single coil cartomizers are far superior (IMO) to dual coils for use in a Joyetech Twist (or any eGo-class battery/PV).

If you do nothing else, please at least watch the Grimm Green review of the Twist, and feel free to ask any questions that you might have. Good luck, and happy vaping, whatever it's on.

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Final note: I have always found the term DCT[ank] to be a misnomer, since "DCT" stands for Dual Coil Tank, potentially leading one to believe that single coil cartomizers are somehow not well-suited to them, which IMO they very much are. Some people like dual coils, and IMO they have their place, but not in lower-voltage devices; not even a 1.5 ohm dual coil in a Twist, due to the marginal wattage per coil, and the greatly increased amp draw of say a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer over a 3.0 ohm single coil.

bulli atomizer review steve from liverpool Bulli A2-T atomizer from bulli-smoker.com - YouTube

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

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Final thoughts:

If you get a ProVari, I'd get the 18650 extension cap so you can use AW IMR 18650 2000-mah batteries, which will give you incredible battery life. I'd get at least three batteries, and an XTAR WP6 charger from lighthound.com. If you get the Twist, get two chargers in case one fails, although I've never had one fail. Backup, backup, backup. If one Soviet-made shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missile misfires, shoot down the Soviet-made Hind attack helicopter with the backup one.

If you get a VMax, get at least four, and preferably six AW 18350 IMR batteries. To charge 18350 batteries in the XTAR WP6 charger, you'll need at least two extra spacers (used to accommodate shorter batteries) to charge two 18350's at a time, and ten extra spacers if you want to charge four 18350 batteries at a time. 18650's require no spacers. The XTAR comes with six spacers. I am not one of those who consider it an issue that the VMax uses "stacked" (two, in series) IMR batteries. To me, their chemistry makes it a non-issue.

Callies Kustoms IMR Battery and AW short circuit observations - YouTube callie's customs IMR short-circuit tests Callie's/AW

Fenix Flashlights, Cree LED, Lithium Batteries, Lithium Ion Batteries, Li-Ion Chargers, Leatherman Multitools, Spyderco Knives and more! (Lighthound.com)

Lastly - mentoring. Things are easier when someone can answer questions for you, and tell you just what to do when unfamiliar things get tricky; things that are relatively simple once you know the ins and outs, having already gone through the learning curve. If you PM me, I will give you me email address and two phone numbers so you can contact me at any time so that this will be as easy for you as possible. "Post pulling" (insert joke here), carto slotting, tank filling, replacing a cartomizer in a full tank, keeping batteries happy and healthy, filling tanks and priming cartos, Ohm's Law (volts times volts divided by ohms = watts (two coils need [almost] twice the watts); rebuildable atomizers; great flavors and the best juice vendors, PG/VG ratios, carto punching vs. slotting, and how many holes or slots, and their size; pre-punched cartos, flanged cartos, unpunched cartos, single coil, dual coil, and when and why to use them; what level of niotine to start out with and end up at; health benefits of nicotine vs. the harmful effects of nicotine (yes, there are some) and how to intelligently balance them; and I'm sure I'm leaving a lot out.

There's a lot to this, but the big trick is to do something, which is just what you're about to do. If you get either a ProVari V2 or a VMax, plus three Twists, a bunch of DCT tanks, about 50 Boge 2.0 ohm single coil XL cartos, about 6ml of juice per day before you plan to reorder, and all of the support equipment I listed, you will be in fine, fine shape. You just will. Of course, you'll aslo have to make sure that you have whatever convertor you'll need to make sure that when in China you can supply 110V 60hz current to your charger(s).

I'm relatively sure I'm about to get a lot of disagreement about my recommendations, but it is very unlikely to change my opinion that you will not go very far wrong by following them. Are there "better" things you could get? Sure. You could get a Darwin, a Reo VV bottom-feeder, some Bulli tomizers, a bunch of Vivi Novas, eGo Vision/Stardust tanks, and many, many other things. But IMO there's no compelling reason to get it all right now. You have a long time to figure out exactly what you're going to like best throughout the rest of your vaping career. So do I. I've barely scratched the surface of exploring everything that's out there, but I know that you will get a fine, fine vape with the things that I've listed, and IMO you will be off to a flying start.

Good luck, and again, contact me if and when you have any questions.

Thanks for you time to reply so thoughtfully and thoroughly. The links to the vids helped me a lot! I'm a visual person and like to learn from video tutorials. I'll be slotting in no time thanks to pbusardo.

No one can tell you what will ultimately be your perfect setup, but what mine after some experimentation is:

For out and about: EGO-C Twist in 650mah (because of the smaller size, if the 1000mah is portable enough for you, buy those instead) with Boge 2.0 ohm cartomizers. Simple, inexpensive, portable, and provides a very good vaping experience.

For home: Provari with either Boge 3.0 ohm cartomizers or a Vivi Nova V2 tank.

I can't speak to the bottom feeders because I haven't tried them, but a ton of people love them.

Noted and seriously thinking of this set up to get started ASAP. Cheers

Do what I did get a pro very one month later get a silver bullet and then try to get your hands on the GGTS
Noted, Cheers

Tht reminds me of something I left out, as hard to believe as that might be. As Rick says, higher resistance cartos(/attys) are better for higher voltage devices, and I completely agree than 2.0's are better for the Twist and 3.0's would be better for the provari or the VMax.

That said, you might want to consider for the time being just using 2.0's so that if you do end up getting a [ProVari or VMax] plus some Joyetech Twists, you can use just one resistance of cartomizer tat will work pretty well on either device. I have to grudgingly give the edge there to the 2.0's, even though the 3.0's would A) work better on the higher-voltage device and B) give you better battery life on either device. (Paradoxically, higher resistance is easier of a battery because it reduces amp draw). Continuing on Ohm's Law, amps are equal to watts divided by the volts used to create them.

Examples (using a single coil for simplicity, and because I recommend single coils for just about any device):

4 volts x 4 volts / 2.0 ohms = 8 watts = 2 amps.
4.8 volts (the Twist's highest setting) x 4.8 volts / 3.0 ohms = 7.68 watts = 1.6 amps

Almost the same number of watts, but fewer amps. A 2000-mah battery would provide 2 amps for one hour, and 1.6 amps for an hour and fifteen minutes.

Bottom line - you can turn the ProVari or the VMax down enough to work fine on a 2.0ohm carto, but for me, a Twist won't always power a 3.0 ohm coil to my satisfaction. Part of that is because of different juices, and part of it is variations in actual resistance from stated resistance. Making the Boge 2.0 vs. 3.0 ohm decision a little easier for me (although I do use both, for different devices) is the fact that my last batch of Boge's (fifty of each) ran about 2.3ohms for the 2.0's and 2.8 ohms for the 3.0's, putting the 2.0's right in the "sweet spot" of the Twist while perfectly fine on higher voltage devices, plus the fact that I have about 20 DCT tanks so I can put the same flavor in both a "high-resistance tank" and a "low-resistance tank" if I feel like it. I just think it'll be simpler for you if you go with one single resistance for the time being, especially while you're still getting accustomed to voltage settings and how they affect the warmth of the coil, and while you have a relatively small number of tanks.

Speaking of the number of tanks; at $8.55 each, I'd just go ahead and get ten of them, and at least ten flavors as well. That will drmatically increase your chances of having flavors at your disposal that you will really enjoy vaping. Don't worry too much about putting a flavor into a tank/carto that you end up not liking all that much. Just put another flavor in in, and the old one will fade away soon enough.

Yep going to spend a few bucks on flavors that's for sure!

I think we might have the makings here for a Letterman Top Ten List; "Least Favorite Unplanned Juice Combinations": sounds to me as if dill pickle/tobacco could easily make the list. (And who the hell sells dill pickle flavor? And do they also make an anchovy flavor? lol)

HA

Here is what I recommend.
The Provari with 18650 extension cap
6 of these batteries
This charger This charger is available at the same place as the batteries.
This case for protection and ask him to make it into a lanyard with the button to the right or the left This case is from Serenity leather gear and comes in any color you can imagine.

If you get the full sleeve leather case it will keep your Provari from getting scratched up and the lanyard comes in handy 10 times a day.
This set up is so easy to use and convenient. One battery lasts all day and you can charge every 3 or 4 days all at once with this charger. The next step is to buy tons of small bottles of liquid in different flavors to find what you like best. The only thing you will need to buy after this is either another Provari for back up or something else for backup. I chose a 2nd Provari because I know I could never go even a day without it.

Cheers that will be the next purchase after Twists and I have tried a few juices i like.

There are a lot of people that will recommend a lot of the various Mrs T's Bakery flavors.

I think that the usual favorite is Snickerdoodle, which I'm not into.
I think Bananas Foster Coffee is another favorite, which didn't do much for me.

I have really liked the following from Mrs T's Bakery...
--Blueberry Muffin
--Cinnamon Rolls
--Pizza

And no, I am not yet ready to recommend the Dill Pickle.
I think I'm going to let it sit for a few weeks, or maybe a month, and give it another go.

Having said all that, I don't believe in recommending flavors, because it usually doesn't work.
The only juice I will not hesitate to recommend, for the most part, is Dekang DK-TAB because I've never seen anyone not like it.
Don't know about the dill pickle or pizza but blueberry muffin sounds yummy!

I think Mrs ts uses a LOT of VG. The flavors were pretty good but I just can't do them because I am a TH junkie.:( I would recommend not buying all of your juices from the same vendor. It seems that some vendors have the same under tone flavor in all of their juices. This can be good or bad depending on if you like it or not. Nothing against Myfreedomsmokes but for some reason their liquids have a certain harshness for me. Too bad because I like a lot of their flavors. My best friend swears by them and says my Dekang ones are harsh. I think trying different vendors is a great idea despite paying separate shipping in the beginning.

Going to invest a few dollars into juices this will be important for me to kick those dirty little cancer sticks to thee curb

Welcome to ECF

Cheers! Plan on hanging around here for a while that's for sure.

My reccomendations were mentioned earlier, but I want to say them anyway.

I'd go (and did) with two EGO-T batteries (I got a kit, but am replacing everthing but the batts,) some Boge cartos, and some groovy drip tips to go on top of those. If you want to drip for real, get a bridgless atty.

I'd reccomend not blowing the $400 at one time, as you'll hit that $400 mark within a few months if you're like me, ordering more stuff before the stuff I ordered even comes in. You can blow $50 on liquid easy.

What I'm thinking about getting is a handfull of Claromizer V3s. I don't really dig the shape of the cylindrical tanks. And I"m generally looking for things I would find neat. I'd love to find some cheap terra cotta drip tips or fancy replacement housings for batts that don't look like they were made for teenagers.

I'll probably end up buying at least one version of every carto on the market. I want a passthrough, in theory, but I'm not sure I'd ever really use it due to being tethered by a wire.

Welcome aboard.

Cheers, I can see myself spending up big on vaping but like I mentioned better to spend the cash on a healthier alternative

Welcome to the best e cigarette forum there is!
Thanks mate

Some people may not need variable voltage at all.
Just like some people may not need anything other than a Volt.

But in the end, far more people need more than a Volt.
And far more people would probably appreciate variable voltage.

Back in the days when variable voltage meant expensive and large, the question of recommending them to newbies was harder.
But with the Twist (a game-changer!) it becomes an awful lot easier to just start someone there.

Of course there is the argument that the process of moving up gives you a better appreciation.
I think many people overlook that. But then again, sometimes saving money is a primary objective.

In the end, I think all factors need to be taken into account...
--How much did someone smoke?
--How important "do they think" form factor is?
--How much do they like to "fiddle" with things?
--What is their budget?

And what about what juices they like?

I would be much happier recommending variable voltage to someone who likes tobacco/coffee/chocolate flavors.
And I would be more hesitant in recommending variable voltage to someone into fruit flavors.

This is an evolving market, and we need to keep learning as products keep improving.
The best recommendations can/will/do/have always changed over time.

I'm going to consider that my five cents worth.
Because that took longer than two cents would have taken.
:D

I don't mind a bit of fiddle considering it's only a little twist and the fact that I have options to change voltage in the future without spending more money is a bonus!

I'll take the heretical and reactionary position here.

I'm guessing that 80% of those with a serious smoking habit (pack or more a day) can quit comfortably with a regulated single voltage 3.7V APV and they can remain satisfied with the same equipment indefinitely.

Success in quitting cigarettes and staying quit requires more than Variable Voltage. It requires an APV that is easy to use and requires the least amount of attention and expense to operate. Running out of battery power or being unable to afford a reasonable amount of batteries are deal killers.

The battery is an important factor in success. I believe vapers will have a higher level of success with an APV that will operate a day or more between charges without being attached to the USB umbilical cord. This points to batteries of 1000mAh capacity and more. Keep in mind that when you get much above 1000mAh of battery capacity you sacrifice portability. Relatively safe batteries should be as inexpensive as possible allowing the user to go the longest period of time between battery charging. Expense limits success. Maintenance time limits success. This points to relatively inexpensive standard cylindrical batteries of approximately 1000mAh capacity (until better batteries are developed).

Single coil LR cartos and attys are designed to provide the highest level of performance with regulated 3.7V batteries. The vapor produced by LR atomizers, cartos and other devices produce vapor of comparable quality to a higher voltage APV (say 4.2V) with standard resistance (2.5 ohms and above) attys and cartomizers.

Portability is a huge factor for vapers who are not retired or anchored to a coffee table or work station. If it doesn't fit into the pocket or purse of a vapor with an active lifestyle then it isn't going to work.

I'll advise the following for vapers with an active lifestyle looking for a good first first APV. Find something that is small enough to fit into a pocket or purse and will run all day long on a single battery. Buy a second unit for backup. If you can't: then work your way up to larger APVs or passthroughs.

VV is great if you don't want to experiment with attys or cartos of different resistance values. Just purchase a standard resistance atty or carto and turn the voltage dial. Keep in mind that higher voltage VV devices use either linear or boost type drivers. Either will require more batteries or more battery capacity and adversely limit operating time and portability.

I'm a heavy smoker but at the same time I like to have options. I'd rather spend money on a LEXUS with all the options than but a BMW and keep on adding to it to get it fully loaded. Not sure if that makes sense.

I have to disagree that the "Twist is a lot longer".

I just measured a Joyetech 650mah eGo-T battery, and a 650mah eGo-C Twist battery, from the bottom to the top of the 510 connection. I refuse to discuss cones, atomizers, or any other attachment for what I think are obvious reasons.

The eGo-T is 3.7945" long, and the eGo-C Twist is 3.8530" long. That is a difference of .0585"; less than 1/16 of an inch.

And I have absolutely, positively no idea why the Volt keeps coming up. I have stated my question consistently and repeatedly. It involves the recommendation of an xGo fixed voltage battery over an eGo variable voltage battery. The Volt is in a different class.

A brief look back at its origins and history:

Someone: "I'd go (and did) with two EGO-T batteries ..... "

Me: "Could you please share your reasoning behind recommending the fixed-voltage eGo battery over the variable-voltage eGo Twist? (Or are you simply unaware of the existence of the Joyetech Twist, which is certainly forgiveable).

The Volt does not belong in what I consider the crux of this discussion, and to me, that is: is there a compelling reason to recommend to someone a fixed-voltage xGo-class device over a variable-voltage xGo class device; namely, the Joyetech eGo-C Twist. If so, what is it".

Me: "So what is the rationale for not recommending a Twist over a kGo or eGo?"

Me: "And I still welcome a compelling argument for recommending an "xGo" fixed-voltage battery over a variable voltage eGo-class battery, which currently consists of a single device - the Joyetech eGo-C Twist".

Me: "This brings me squarely back to my main question; what is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed voltage device over a variable voltage device to someone just starting out?"

Someone: "The Volt must remain in the discussion and in consideration for a first PV. I know at least one person who quit with a Volt as a first PV and is still using it after several months without smoking".

Me: "The Volt has absolutely no place in offering compelling compelling reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class battery over a variable voltage one. That is the direct question that seems to keep getting danced around. And it is not my fault that the Twist is currently the only one there is".

Someone: "There is no compelling reason to recommend a variable voltage APV over a regulated single voltage APV for the prospective owner of a first PV". [This is not my question].

Me: "That very questionable (IMO) opinion begs the question - "What is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class device over a variable voltage eGo-class device?" I ain't buyin' "decreased battery life ..... "

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So no, 1/16 of an inch doesn't quite "measure up". The question still stands, and another is added. Why is this such a sensitive "friggin' " issue? Can we try to keep this as scientific and dispassionate as possible, for everyone's sake?

Size is not really the issue for me within reason, the main point here is I want to get rid of the sticks! That's the main priority for me and vaping could me my only hope.
 
Hi and welcome to ECF. There are sseveral categories you're going to have to choose from.
Smaller cig sized PV such A's the volt.
Larger true 3.7 volt Kgo/ Riva or E- Power.
Variable voltage Twist- cheapest of the VV but after buying a full kit costs about $60-$70.
Next is the LavaTube/ Lambo / KnightRider/ / VTube- a VV and cheaper version of the Provari- can be purchased for about $55.00.
Provari- the Rolls Royce of VV PVs.
Understand with ALL of the above PVs you can add different delivery systems- cartos, carto+ tank, clearimzers, etc.
I would suggest you consider the Kgo starter kit for about $45 and add some Boge or somk tech Cartomizers. Also might be a good idea to also order some V2 stardust Clearomizers or vivi nova tanks- both are tank systems and only need to be re filled 2-3 times per day.
Good Luck.

Thanks for your thoughts.

•I'm initially willing to invest $400 to $600 on startup kits, hardware, cartos etc not including juice (hell that's still less than what it costs me to smoke a month)

•I don't want anything that looks like a cigarette. I want to get away from those damn things

•I'm not too self conscious about the size of the PV in public within reason

•I'm leaning towards a tank that I can refill myself and that is clear so I can see how much juice I have left

•1 smaller or short stumpy PV that I can take out drinking with me and on the plane ( I travel a lot)

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Yes, I have some ideas.

Fortunately, you have a great attitude. You "get it". You understand that cigarettes are the enemy, vaping is a great - and probably the best - way to ditch them, and you're willing to spend whatever it takes to vanquish them. This reminds me of a very good movie I just watched called "Charlie Wilson's War", about a US Congressman who was instrumental in getting weapons to the mujahadeen in Afghanistan so they could defeat the Russians. He eventually increased their funding from $5 million to $1 billion, and they proceeded to shoot down and destroy hundreds of Hind gunship helicopters, Mig fighters, and tanks that were previously cutting them to pieces. The Soviets were defeated and withdrew from Afghanistan, and a few years later, the Soviet Union dissolved, the Berlin Wall came down, and the Cold War was essentially over.

Charlie Wilson's main CIA contact put him in touch with a weapons expert who told him exactly what the mujahadeen would need to defeat the Russians. I don't claim to be an "expert" on vaping equipment, but I do know a fair amount, and I am going to recommend to you what I would get to defeat the enemy.

First, everything I'm going to recommend will be variable voltage. IMO there is no longer any compelling reason to buy a fixed-voltage device. There are quite a few that are cool to have, like the Silver Bullet, Black Beauty, kGo battery, or Joyetech 18650 mod, but those are on the periphery of essential vaping hardware. Variable voltage (VV) is at the epicenter. VV allows you to warm the coil or coils to exactly the right temperature to suit a wide variety of conditions; juice flavor ("lighter" flavors, like a fruit flavor might want less heat, and "heavier" ones, like coffee or chocolate, might want more), PG/VG composition, juice delivery to the coils, and even your mood.

That's a hell of a budget you've got there; again, a testament to your good sense since you are clearly aware of how much you've been spending on cigarettes, and realize how short-sighted it would be to underfund the mujahadeen. There are a select few VV devices that are worth buying IMO, and you could buy any one of them - or two, or three, for that matter. IMO, they include:

The ProVari V2, the Smoktech VMax, the Apollo SS Vtube, the Buzz Pro 2, and the Joyetech eGo-C Twist.

For your "power sources", I'm going to recommend that you get the ProVari V2 and three 650mah (milliamp-hour) Twists. If ProVape can't get a V2 sent to you in time for your trip, I'd go ahead and get a VMax from All About Vapor, in chrome - they just lowered the price from $128.95 to $95.50, now including two AW IMR 18350 batteries, making it an all-out "Buy" IMO. No, the VMax does not have nearly as many "user-hours" under its belt as the ProVari V2, which has earned its reputation as an extremely high-quality, extremely reliable, and very, very well-performing device, but neither has it shown any appreciable signs that it will fail to make quite a good reputation for itself. 'Version 1.0" had some quirks - endearing enough to me that I bought two more of them - but they have been "fixed" in "Version 1.1" which is now what virtually all vendors have in stock.

As for the "business end" of the power source, I like Smoktech 3.5ml (milliliter) DCT tanks fitted with Boge single-coil stainless steel "XL"-sized cartomizers, the Vivi Nova tank with replaceable atomizers of various resistances, the Bulli atomizer, and the GG Odysseus atomizer/tank. The last three have the distinction of being liked by me without my ever trying or owning any of them. You might also want to try a Joyetech "C"-type atomizer, just to try it. You might just like it. It's a three-piece version of the Joyetech "T"-type one-piece atomizer, comprised of a base, a cone, and a replaceable atomizer "head". Thee heads come in 5-packs of either 1.7 (?) ohm "low resistance", or 2.3 (?) ohm regular resistance. Some people love them, some people hate them, some are in between. You won't know which "camp" you'll fall into if you never try them. As this insanely long thread testifies to:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/232530-new-ovale-ego-c-changeble-system.html -

the Joyetech tank system has some quirks and possible shortcomings. That said, it can be a pretty nice setup for "stealth vaping", or vaping at work, out on the town, and is very pocket-friendly IMO.

Other threads I recommend you read:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/304652-dual-single-coil-twist.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ined-detail-single-dual-coil-atty-cartos.html


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/304955-what-best-vv-pv-market-today-2.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...385-new-variable-voltage-device-smoktech.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-video-reviews/295530-smoktech-v-max-review.html

YouTube Reviews:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube pbusardo slotting cartomizers

SmokTech V-MAX Review: Round 2 - YouTube SmokTech V-MAX Review: Round 2

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

I wouldn't bother watching any reviews of the ProVari V2; they're all good, it's all good. A "knock" on the Provari for its price is an absurd "knock" IMO.

For the Twist/tank/carto/etc., this is exactly what I would get: [Cut and paste from another post]

Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery (MyVaporStore)

Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank: Pro DCTank Tube (MyVaporStore)

USB charger: eGo Rapid USB Charger 6.75 (MyVaporStore)

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25 (MyVaporStore)

eGo trim piece: eGo Cone Cover for DCTank (MyVaporStore)

Plain drip tip: Colored Drip Tip - 510/901 (MyVaporStore)

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping CrystalClearVaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix n Match (5 Boxes) SureVapes - $0.92 each

No, I do not own, work for, or am in any way affiliated with MyVaporStore.com.

You will like it, and you wlll like it very much. You will have to slot the cartomizers; either per Phil Busardo's YouTube video:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube - or PM me and I will call you and tell you how to do it. You'll need to own or borrow a Dremel tool for someone, and you'll need some Dremel cut-off wheels, # 409. Or you can buy a cartomizr punch. It's hard to find pre-punched cartomizers that will work well with lower-voltage devices, even ones that go up to 4.8 volts like the Twist. Some people - including MyVaporStore - will say that dual coil cartomizers work fine on lower-voltage devices - but they do not.

From the MyVaporStore website:

These cartomizers were designed specifically for use with Dual Coil Tank (DCTank) Tubes. A 510 drip tip and DCTank tube is needed in order to use these cartomizers. There is a hole punch on the side of them so may leak if used without a DCTank Tube.

All of our eLiquid will work with the DCTank (full PG or 50/50 PG/VG). Full VG eliquid is too thick and will not work well in theDCTank. [VG will work much better in a carto slotted for it].

These new cartomizers contain two heating coils instead of one to produce more vapor than your standard cartomizer [if you can put enough volts/watts to them]. They have been designed to work great with 3.7V batteries [Not IMO] or a HV (high voltage) setup. Available in 1.5ohm or 2.5ohm. Please allow +/- 0.3 variation. We recommend 1.5ohm for Ego batteries [why?] or 3.0V-4.2V batteries and 2.5ohm for 5V or higher. These cartomizers must be used with batteries of 650mAh capacity or higher and are known to discharge batteries much quicker than single coil cartomizers.

This is nowhere near as complicated as it might seem, and will be well worth the modest learning curve to figure out. This thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

contains a thorough discussion of why single coil cartomizers are far superior (IMO) to dual coils for use in a Joyetech Twist (or any eGo-class battery/PV).

If you do nothing else, please at least watch the Grimm Green review of the Twist, and feel free to ask any questions that you might have. Good luck, and happy vaping, whatever it's on.

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Final note: I have always found the term DCT[ank] to be a misnomer, since "DCT" stands for Dual Coil Tank, potentially leading one to believe that single coil cartomizers are somehow not well-suited to them, which IMO they very much are. Some people like dual coils, and IMO they have their place, but not in lower-voltage devices; not even a 1.5 ohm dual coil in a Twist, due to the marginal wattage per coil, and the greatly increased amp draw of say a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer over a 3.0 ohm single coil.

bulli atomizer review steve from liverpool Bulli A2-T atomizer from bulli-smoker.com - YouTube

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

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Final thoughts:

If you get a ProVari, I'd get the 18650 extension cap so you can use AW IMR 18650 2000-mah batteries, which will give you incredible battery life. I'd get at least three batteries, and an XTAR WP6 charger from lighthound.com. If you get the Twist, get two chargers in case one fails, although I've never had one fail. Backup, backup, backup. If one Soviet-made shoulder-mounted anti-aircraft missile misfires, shoot down the Soviet-made Hind attack helicopter with the backup one.

If you get a VMax, get at least four, and preferably six AW 18350 IMR batteries. To charge 18350 batteries in the XTAR WP6 charger, you'll need at least two extra spacers (used to accommodate shorter batteries) to charge two 18350's at a time, and ten extra spacers if you want to charge four 18350 batteries at a time. 18650's require no spacers. The XTAR comes with six spacers. I am not one of those who consider it an issue that the VMax uses "stacked" (two, in series) IMR batteries. To me, their chemistry makes it a non-issue.

Callies Kustoms IMR Battery and AW short circuit observations - YouTube callie's customs IMR short-circuit tests Callie's/AW

Fenix Flashlights, Cree LED, Lithium Batteries, Lithium Ion Batteries, Li-Ion Chargers, Leatherman Multitools, Spyderco Knives and more! (Lighthound.com)

Lastly - mentoring. Things are easier when someone can answer questions for you, and tell you just what to do when unfamiliar things get tricky; things that are relatively simple once you know the ins and outs, having already gone through the learning curve. If you PM me, I will give you me email address and two phone numbers so you can contact me at any time so that this will be as easy for you as possible. "Post pulling" (insert joke here), carto slotting, tank filling, replacing a cartomizer in a full tank, keeping batteries happy and healthy, filling tanks and priming cartos, Ohm's Law (volts times volts divided by ohms = watts (two coils need [almost] twice the watts); rebuildable atomizers; great flavors and the best juice vendors, PG/VG ratios, carto punching vs. slotting, and how many holes or slots, and their size; pre-punched cartos, flanged cartos, unpunched cartos, single coil, dual coil, and when and why to use them; what level of niotine to start out with and end up at; health benefits of nicotine vs. the harmful effects of nicotine (yes, there are some) and how to intelligently balance them; and I'm sure I'm leaving a lot out.

There's a lot to this, but the big trick is to do something, which is just what you're about to do. If you get either a ProVari V2 or a VMax, plus three Twists, a bunch of DCT tanks, about 50 Boge 2.0 ohm single coil XL cartos, about 6ml of juice per day before you plan to reorder, and all of the support equipment I listed, you will be in fine, fine shape. You just will. Of course, you'll aslo have to make sure that you have whatever convertor you'll need to make sure that when in China you can supply 110V 60hz current to your charger(s).

I'm relatively sure I'm about to get a lot of disagreement about my recommendations, but it is very unlikely to change my opinion that you will not go very far wrong by following them. Are there "better" things you could get? Sure. You could get a Darwin, a Reo VV bottom-feeder, some Bulli tomizers, a bunch of Vivi Novas, eGo Vision/Stardust tanks, and many, many other things. But IMO there's no compelling reason to get it all right now. You have a long time to figure out exactly what you're going to like best throughout the rest of your vaping career. So do I. I've barely scratched the surface of exploring everything that's out there, but I know that you will get a fine, fine vape with the things that I've listed, and IMO you will be off to a flying start.

Good luck, and again, contact me if and when you have any questions.

Thanks for you time to reply so thoughtfully and thoroughly. The links to the vids helped me a lot! I'm a visual person and like to learn from video tutorials. I'll be slotting in no time thanks to pbusardo.

No one can tell you what will ultimately be your perfect setup, but what mine after some experimentation is:

For out and about: EGO-C Twist in 650mah (because of the smaller size, if the 1000mah is portable enough for you, buy those instead) with Boge 2.0 ohm cartomizers. Simple, inexpensive, portable, and provides a very good vaping experience.

For home: Provari with either Boge 3.0 ohm cartomizers or a Vivi Nova V2 tank.

I can't speak to the bottom feeders because I haven't tried them, but a ton of people love them.

Noted and seriously thinking of this set up to get started ASAP. Cheers

Do what I did get a pro very one month later get a silver bullet and then try to get your hands on the GGTS
Noted, Cheers

Tht reminds me of something I left out, as hard to believe as that might be. As Rick says, higher resistance cartos(/attys) are better for higher voltage devices, and I completely agree than 2.0's are better for the Twist and 3.0's would be better for the provari or the VMax.

That said, you might want to consider for the time being just using 2.0's so that if you do end up getting a [ProVari or VMax] plus some Joyetech Twists, you can use just one resistance of cartomizer tat will work pretty well on either device. I have to grudgingly give the edge there to the 2.0's, even though the 3.0's would A) work better on the higher-voltage device and B) give you better battery life on either device. (Paradoxically, higher resistance is easier of a battery because it reduces amp draw). Continuing on Ohm's Law, amps are equal to watts divided by the volts used to create them.

Examples (using a single coil for simplicity, and because I recommend single coils for just about any device):

4 volts x 4 volts / 2.0 ohms = 8 watts = 2 amps.
4.8 volts (the Twist's highest setting) x 4.8 volts / 3.0 ohms = 7.68 watts = 1.6 amps

Almost the same number of watts, but fewer amps. A 2000-mah battery would provide 2 amps for one hour, and 1.6 amps for an hour and fifteen minutes.

Bottom line - you can turn the ProVari or the VMax down enough to work fine on a 2.0ohm carto, but for me, a Twist won't always power a 3.0 ohm coil to my satisfaction. Part of that is because of different juices, and part of it is variations in actual resistance from stated resistance. Making the Boge 2.0 vs. 3.0 ohm decision a little easier for me (although I do use both, for different devices) is the fact that my last batch of Boge's (fifty of each) ran about 2.3ohms for the 2.0's and 2.8 ohms for the 3.0's, putting the 2.0's right in the "sweet spot" of the Twist while perfectly fine on higher voltage devices, plus the fact that I have about 20 DCT tanks so I can put the same flavor in both a "high-resistance tank" and a "low-resistance tank" if I feel like it. I just think it'll be simpler for you if you go with one single resistance for the time being, especially while you're still getting accustomed to voltage settings and how they affect the warmth of the coil, and while you have a relatively small number of tanks.

Speaking of the number of tanks; at $8.55 each, I'd just go ahead and get ten of them, and at least ten flavors as well. That will drmatically increase your chances of having flavors at your disposal that you will really enjoy vaping. Don't worry too much about putting a flavor into a tank/carto that you end up not liking all that much. Just put another flavor in in, and the old one will fade away soon enough.

Yep going to spend a few bucks on flavors that's for sure!

I think we might have the makings here for a Letterman Top Ten List; "Least Favorite Unplanned Juice Combinations": sounds to me as if dill pickle/tobacco could easily make the list. (And who the hell sells dill pickle flavor? And do they also make an anchovy flavor? lol)

HA

Here is what I recommend.
The Provari with 18650 extension cap
6 of these batteries
This charger This charger is available at the same place as the batteries.
This case for protection and ask him to make it into a lanyard with the button to the right or the left This case is from Serenity leather gear and comes in any color you can imagine.

If you get the full sleeve leather case it will keep your Provari from getting scratched up and the lanyard comes in handy 10 times a day.
This set up is so easy to use and convenient. One battery lasts all day and you can charge every 3 or 4 days all at once with this charger. The next step is to buy tons of small bottles of liquid in different flavors to find what you like best. The only thing you will need to buy after this is either another Provari for back up or something else for backup. I chose a 2nd Provari because I know I could never go even a day without it.

Cheers that will be the next purchase after Twists and I have tried a few juices i like.

There are a lot of people that will recommend a lot of the various Mrs T's Bakery flavors.

I think that the usual favorite is Snickerdoodle, which I'm not into.
I think Bananas Foster Coffee is another favorite, which didn't do much for me.

I have really liked the following from Mrs T's Bakery...
--Blueberry Muffin
--Cinnamon Rolls
--Pizza

And no, I am not yet ready to recommend the Dill Pickle.
I think I'm going to let it sit for a few weeks, or maybe a month, and give it another go.

Having said all that, I don't believe in recommending flavors, because it usually doesn't work.
The only juice I will not hesitate to recommend, for the most part, is Dekang DK-TAB because I've never seen anyone not like it.
Don't know about the dill pickle or pizza but blueberry muffin sounds yummy!

I think Mrs ts uses a LOT of VG. The flavors were pretty good but I just can't do them because I am a TH junkie.:( I would recommend not buying all of your juices from the same vendor. It seems that some vendors have the same under tone flavor in all of their juices. This can be good or bad depending on if you like it or not. Nothing against Myfreedomsmokes but for some reason their liquids have a certain harshness for me. Too bad because I like a lot of their flavors. My best friend swears by them and says my Dekang ones are harsh. I think trying different vendors is a great idea despite paying separate shipping in the beginning.

Going to invest a few dollars into juices this will be important for me to kick those dirty little cancer sticks to thee curb

Welcome to ECF

Cheers! Plan on hanging around here for a while that's for sure.

My reccomendations were mentioned earlier, but I want to say them anyway.

I'd go (and did) with two EGO-T batteries (I got a kit, but am replacing everthing but the batts,) some Boge cartos, and some groovy drip tips to go on top of those. If you want to drip for real, get a bridgless atty.

I'd reccomend not blowing the $400 at one time, as you'll hit that $400 mark within a few months if you're like me, ordering more stuff before the stuff I ordered even comes in. You can blow $50 on liquid easy.

What I'm thinking about getting is a handfull of Claromizer V3s. I don't really dig the shape of the cylindrical tanks. And I"m generally looking for things I would find neat. I'd love to find some cheap terra cotta drip tips or fancy replacement housings for batts that don't look like they were made for teenagers.

I'll probably end up buying at least one version of every carto on the market. I want a passthrough, in theory, but I'm not sure I'd ever really use it due to being tethered by a wire.

Welcome aboard.

Cheers, I can see myself spending up big on vaping but like I mentioned better to spend the cash on a healthier alternative

Welcome to the best e cigarette forum there is!
Thanks mate

Some people may not need variable voltage at all.
Just like some people may not need anything other than a Volt.

But in the end, far more people need more than a Volt.
And far more people would probably appreciate variable voltage.

Back in the days when variable voltage meant expensive and large, the question of recommending them to newbies was harder.
But with the Twist (a game-changer!) it becomes an awful lot easier to just start someone there.

Of course there is the argument that the process of moving up gives you a better appreciation.
I think many people overlook that. But then again, sometimes saving money is a primary objective.

In the end, I think all factors need to be taken into account...
--How much did someone smoke?
--How important "do they think" form factor is?
--How much do they like to "fiddle" with things?
--What is their budget?

And what about what juices they like?

I would be much happier recommending variable voltage to someone who likes tobacco/coffee/chocolate flavors.
And I would be more hesitant in recommending variable voltage to someone into fruit flavors.

This is an evolving market, and we need to keep learning as products keep improving.
The best recommendations can/will/do/have always changed over time.

I'm going to consider that my five cents worth.
Because that took longer than two cents would have taken.
:D

I don't mind a bit of fiddle considering it's only a little twist and the fact that I have options to change voltage in the future without spending more money is a bonus!

I'll take the heretical and reactionary position here.

I'm guessing that 80% of those with a serious smoking habit (pack or more a day) can quit comfortably with a regulated single voltage 3.7V APV and they can remain satisfied with the same equipment indefinitely.

Success in quitting cigarettes and staying quit requires more than Variable Voltage. It requires an APV that is easy to use and requires the least amount of attention and expense to operate. Running out of battery power or being unable to afford a reasonable amount of batteries are deal killers.

The battery is an important factor in success. I believe vapers will have a higher level of success with an APV that will operate a day or more between charges without being attached to the USB umbilical cord. This points to batteries of 1000mAh capacity and more. Keep in mind that when you get much above 1000mAh of battery capacity you sacrifice portability. Relatively safe batteries should be as inexpensive as possible allowing the user to go the longest period of time between battery charging. Expense limits success. Maintenance time limits success. This points to relatively inexpensive standard cylindrical batteries of approximately 1000mAh capacity (until better batteries are developed).

Single coil LR cartos and attys are designed to provide the highest level of performance with regulated 3.7V batteries. The vapor produced by LR atomizers, cartos and other devices produce vapor of comparable quality to a higher voltage APV (say 4.2V) with standard resistance (2.5 ohms and above) attys and cartomizers.

Portability is a huge factor for vapers who are not retired or anchored to a coffee table or work station. If it doesn't fit into the pocket or purse of a vapor with an active lifestyle then it isn't going to work.

I'll advise the following for vapers with an active lifestyle looking for a good first first APV. Find something that is small enough to fit into a pocket or purse and will run all day long on a single battery. Buy a second unit for backup. If you can't: then work your way up to larger APVs or passthroughs.

VV is great if you don't want to experiment with attys or cartos of different resistance values. Just purchase a standard resistance atty or carto and turn the voltage dial. Keep in mind that higher voltage VV devices use either linear or boost type drivers. Either will require more batteries or more battery capacity and adversely limit operating time and portability.

I'm a heavy smoker but at the same time I like to have options. I'd rather spend money on a LEXUS with all the options than but a BMW and keep on adding to it to get it fully loaded. Not sure if that makes sense.

I have to disagree that the "Twist is a lot longer".

I just measured a Joyetech 650mah eGo-T battery, and a 650mah eGo-C Twist battery, from the bottom to the top of the 510 connection. I refuse to discuss cones, atomizers, or any other attachment for what I think are obvious reasons.

The eGo-T is 3.7945" long, and the eGo-C Twist is 3.8530" long. That is a difference of .0585"; less than 1/16 of an inch.

And I have absolutely, positively no idea why the Volt keeps coming up. I have stated my question consistently and repeatedly. It involves the recommendation of an xGo fixed voltage battery over an eGo variable voltage battery. The Volt is in a different class.

A brief look back at its origins and history:

Someone: "I'd go (and did) with two EGO-T batteries ..... "

Me: "Could you please share your reasoning behind recommending the fixed-voltage eGo battery over the variable-voltage eGo Twist? (Or are you simply unaware of the existence of the Joyetech Twist, which is certainly forgiveable).

The Volt does not belong in what I consider the crux of this discussion, and to me, that is: is there a compelling reason to recommend to someone a fixed-voltage xGo-class device over a variable-voltage xGo class device; namely, the Joyetech eGo-C Twist. If so, what is it".

Me: "So what is the rationale for not recommending a Twist over a kGo or eGo?"

Me: "And I still welcome a compelling argument for recommending an "xGo" fixed-voltage battery over a variable voltage eGo-class battery, which currently consists of a single device - the Joyetech eGo-C Twist".

Me: "This brings me squarely back to my main question; what is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed voltage device over a variable voltage device to someone just starting out?"

Someone: "The Volt must remain in the discussion and in consideration for a first PV. I know at least one person who quit with a Volt as a first PV and is still using it after several months without smoking".

Me: "The Volt has absolutely no place in offering compelling compelling reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class battery over a variable voltage one. That is the direct question that seems to keep getting danced around. And it is not my fault that the Twist is currently the only one there is".

Someone: "There is no compelling reason to recommend a variable voltage APV over a regulated single voltage APV for the prospective owner of a first PV". [This is not my question].

Me: "That very questionable (IMO) opinion begs the question - "What is the compelling reason or reasons for recommending a fixed-voltage eGo-class device over a variable voltage eGo-class device?" I ain't buyin' "decreased battery life ..... "

*****

So no, 1/16 of an inch doesn't quite "measure up". The question still stands, and another is added. Why is this such a sensitive "friggin' " issue? Can we try to keep this as scientific and dispassionate as possible, for everyone's sake?

Size is not really the issue for me within reason, the main point here is I want to get rid of the sticks! That's the main priority for me and vaping could me my only hope.
 

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Your mind is closed, and you're simply not hearing me, so why should I continue talking to a wall?

My concession of "the last word" to you was predicated on a lack of judgment in what you had to say, as well as civility. I think that the above fails on both counts.

I do not have a closed mind; I have a very open mind. I think that anyone who has read many of my posts might agree. I love science and the scientific method, and I prefer dispassionate speech that is heavy on the "I think" and/or "I feel", and is as light as possible on "You" this and "You" that.

I would have preferred that you say "I feel frustrated because I feel that you are not getting my point" [although I obviously think I am] instead of judging me as being closed-minded and akin to a brick wall. That is not how to win friends and influence people. Of course, that implies that those are your goals. If your goal is to simply lash out at me, you have succeeded, and need change nothing.

Lastly, if you have been or are less than perfect, I forgive you, as I would also like to be forgiven for anything that I have done or said that is imperfect.
 

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Look Bangers, that's all good, but we're having a very nice little pissing contest here and I'd appreciate it if you'd just .... out and quit wasting everyone's time with a lot of talk about vaping gear, OK? LOLOL!!

Wow, I was kinda wondering where you were, and it looks like you've been busy! Let me know if I can help you with anything; if I didn't mention it, you can PM me and I'll give you my email and phone numbers so I can walk you through any trouble spots. I think you're going to be very, very happy with what you seem to have in mind by way of acquisitions.

Next, I'm going to get you into a chrome VMax - but all in good time. :)

Cheers mate, I'm off to bed. See ya, on good on ya'!

*****

Oh .... and you WILL get off of cigarettes. As I'm fond of saying - "they will fall away like the leaves from the trees in the fall".

Another favorite of mine: "When you turn on a light, you don't have to get rid of the darkness first. Similarly, when you start vaping, you don't have to quit smoking. Cigarettes will be displaced, as light displaces darkness".

Welcome to your new, healthy life.
 
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Ok so this is what I've decided on to get me started.

2x ego twist 1000mah, 1x SS, 1x Black
2x ego twist 650mah, as above
3x ego usb charges
1x carry case
some drip tips (those ming things and Cherry Vape things look nice!)
a mix kit
a few cones
some stardusts or/and CE4 +
2.0 single coil xl carto need a few of those
a few 3.5ml tanks
might look into some digger tanks also

I think that will get me started. It may seem a lot but the reasoning behind it is
1. I don't want to run out of anything that could even remotely lead to me considering an analog
2. Will be in China for 4 weeks and traveling so I may or may not break things. Better safe than sorry!

Once I return from China and settle on some daily juices I will purchase a provari for home. Then I'll see where my obsession with this takes me.

A couple of questions
1. will I need to "slot the boge cartos before I use them in the tank as show in this pbusardo video? A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube
2. What is the best way to start with juice?
Is it to try a whole heap of flavours first to see which ones you like and then get the various nic strengths of those versions?

I'm also going to look into buying nic whilst I'm in China and bring some back with me.

I just want to say a HUGE THANK YOU to ALL of you for pointing me in the right direction. I have considered all the mentioned PV's and accessories. I think from my point of view is not to get involved in all the nitty gritty stuff and procrastinate. Newbies need to be proactive and just do with a little guidance.

The way I see it is I'm already spending a heap of money smoking analogs. I've tried nic patches at $70 dollars for just under a months supply (made my skin itch like crazy, but really enjoyed the lucid dreams) tried acupuncture didn't work that was $150, tried gum cheaper can't member the cost and also gone cold turkey (didn't work). None of them worked for ME. That's why most of us look to and take up or potentially take up vaping

I don't see why there is so much concern for pricing when the above mentioned alternatives are costly and smoking its self it ridiculously expensive not to mention extremely unhealthy. I'm more than happy to shell out the money (that I'm already spending on analogs) to try another method that seems to have a good rate of success with helping to stop. Worse case scenario is that if vaping is not for me for whatever reason I still have a whole heap of hardware I can sell to someone and get some of my cash back and I'm sure the next potential vaper will appreciate the savings! Try selling your unused patches:)
 

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Juice, juice, juice, that is the question... to start with I suggest you buy some with nic already mixed into them, it seems many start at 18mg but a few need 24mg to get off analogues totally. I am a reasonably heavy vaper, I go through approx 4 mls a day, all day vaping. Most start out looking for the tobacco flavour of their choice, but soon start to look at other flavours. I personally like RY4 blends. Also most seem to start with 70/30 blends PG/VG for the throat hit. Would suggest you buy a variety of mixes, mgs. and flavours.

Would also suggest you read the thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

Drink a lot of water when you switch.....I'll say that again DRINK a lot of water when you switch its that important...:)


Can I also say be careful where you buy nicotine juice in China. I have a good supplier in the states if you want the name PM me.

Also not sure if you saw what I said all of the above is made in China.... would be worth checking out if you can buy there or at least stock up with hardware while you are there.

Safe journey will look forward to your posts when you get back. :D
 
Juice, juice, juice, that is the question... to start with I suggest you buy some with nic already mixed into them, it seems many start at 18mg but a few need 24mg to get off analogues totally. I am a reasonably heavy vaper, I go through approx 4 mls a day, all day vaping. Most start out looking for the tobacco flavour of their choice, but soon start to look at other flavours. I personally like RY4 blends. Also most seem to start with 70/30 blends PG/VG for the throat hit. Would suggest you buy a variety of mixes, mgs. and flavours.

Would also suggest you read the thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

Drink a lot of water when you switch.....I'll say that again DRINK a lot of water when you switch its that important...:)


Can I also say be careful where you buy nicotine juice in China. I have a good supplier in the states if you want the name PM me.

Also not sure if you saw what I said all of the above is made in China.... would be worth checking out if you can buy there or at least stock up with hardware while you are there.

Safe journey will look forward to your posts when you get back. :D

Thanks Yves. I will be stocking up on hardware when I'm there :) do you have any suggestions or know of any place that I can get GENUINE supplies from? I have lived in China for 4 years and one thing I know, they are the masters of copy!
 
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