Just want to understand the high wattage users

[rusirius]

OKay....I understand the high wattage now, and I WANT that flavor, but all this information has my head spinning.

I used to race bikes on an amateur level. Started on dirt bikes when I was 11. My first street bike was a 500, first superbike was a 600, then a 750, then went to liter bikes. I went to tons of track days and spent hours and hours learning with control riders. It was a very long process getting to the point where I felt comfortable hitting the track. But I was safe, never felt out of control and even on the street was a fantastic rider.

On the other hand, I met plenty of people who bought a liter bike for their first bike. They were horrible riders who often had very little control over the bike and couldn't ride for squat. We called them squids. They were a danger to themselves and others, and despite "thinking" they were awesome, truly had no idea what they were doing. Put them on a track and it was like racing a child on a tricycle. I used to love watching someone on a 600 smoke a rider on a 1k that thought they were "bad to the bone."

It was also pretty common to hear of the terrible accidents these squids got into, often times resulting in the loss of their lives. Simply because they thought they were the world's gift to riders and truly had know idea what they were doing. They didn't know their limits and because of it exceeded them often with disastrous results.

The point is.... Take your time. Research and learn. Take small steps. When you're ready for your next step, whatever that might be, you'll know, and you'll know exactly what that step you want to take is. In the end your vape experience will be a fantastic one.

 

[Vermonster13]

Same reason they don't just make vanilla ice cream.

 

[sstarrx3]

Well, I have always been curious too about this. I was in my local vape shop the other day and a bunch of vapers were hanging out and discussing their mods. One guy had a 100W box mod, I do not know the specifics of his build other than that. He let me try his, so I pulled my drip tip off my unit and tried his. I can say you do get allot more vapor for sure, as far as taste goes I could not tell the difference between his and vaping on my VV V 3.0 at 11 watts with a 1.8 Ohm BVC coil.

 

[tj99959]

I'm the same as DaveSignal. I vape at around 0.2 ohms at 4.2 volts. Do I feel I'm pushing the boundaries? No. Absolutely not. I'm choosing to vape at a certain point of the vape technology curve. I just enjoy vaping at this level. The taste for me is great and I enjoy the plumes. If people want to look at me as though I'm weird or over-the-top then I'm cool with it. I'm too busy enjoying my vape to care.

And I'm the other way around vaping at around 2.0 instead of 0.2 ohms at 4.2 volts (but then again, I smoked Camels)

 

[Smann245]

When you're ready for your next step, whatever that might be, you'll know, and you'll know exactly what that step you want to take is.

Exactly. I KNOW when I need to change something.

 

[McCoys]

Geez fellas .... I feel like a dope .... I have a 100w variable box that I use with an original UCT Russian and a 91%. The ID of my 10 or so wrapped 28 gauge Kanthal is an eighth of an inch macro wicked with cotton. It comes out to 2.0Ω. I took out the air control grub screw to increase air flow to cool the coil/wick. I push 20w through it and get a warm and flavorful vape.
I have tried and really enjoy dripping every time I've had an opportunity. I gotta get a dripper and lower nic juice!

 

[Smann245]

My Kayfun setup is real close to yours. 28g 7/64bit 12wrap 1.8ohm cotton 100%vg 18w. Warm and full of flavor. I love it.

 

[WharfRat1976]

My Kayfun setup is real close to yours. 28g 7/64bit 12wrap 1.8ohm cotton 100%vg 18w. Warm and full of flavor. I love it.

With that coil ID and thumb size piece of cotton you are putting through it, do you taper the wick shoulders to sit on the KF deck? How do you wick such a wide wick onto the KF deck?

 

[beckdg]

You can tell this guy bowls over handed.

I don't always vape at 100 watts but

When he does he prefers dos equis.

 

[ddkl7780]

I own high wattage devices and mechs. Theres a ton of benefits from high wattage device. Say you want to build a 1.0 ohm coil in your rda. Now on your mech mod with a fresh batt say 4.2v youll push just under 18 watts now push 50-60watts to that coil youll get a nice vape. So you can also run low builds as well and keep a constant wattage to that build. So say you build a .3 ohm in your rda that fresh batt with 4.2v will start to drop on you which in turn drops wattage. With say the sigelei 100 watt youll be able to keep that wattage continuous till prob ard 50% batt left then start dropping off some. I dont think high wattage reg box mods are pushing the limits or unsafe in reality its safer then running a sub ohm build on a mech. I use both Ill put my twisted 26 gauge setup on my box and mech Ill go lower ohm builds. Some ppl consider .15-.2 ohm pushing the limit I consider it normal. What higher wattage basically does though is enable you to have higher ohm builds and still get the power needed to those builds to produce a good vape.

 

[Smann245]

With that coil ID and thumb size piece of cotton you are putting through it, do you taper the wick shoulders to sit on the KF deck? How do you wick such a wide wick onto the KF deck?

2.778mm is not that big. I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Bigflyrodder]

I think many really miss the point of what these high powered mods are for. While it is true that a fully charged batter in a good mech mod will push a low subohm build at 90+ watts and these new vv/vw mods can provide that experience with more consistancy what they are really designed for is to give the ability to driver HIGHER ohm builds to give the same experience as subohm vaping with far less danger, far less battery stress, far less battery drain, etc. which are all good things.

Think about: with one of these devices, instead of wrapping an insane .1x build (which is still EXTREMELY DANGEROUS EVEN WITH THE BATTERIES OUT TODAY) you can now set up a say a 2.0 build with tons of surface area contacting your wick. Larger diameter coils will give you the ability to use more wick which will bring more juice meaning MORE vapor and MORE flavor if you can drive the build hard enough. Well, now with these devices you can do just that.

 

[rusirius]

With that coil ID and thumb size piece of cotton you are putting through it, do you taper the wick shoulders to sit on the KF deck? How do you wick such a wide wick onto the KF deck?

Huh? I've coiled kayfuns with 2mm on up to 3.5mm... In fact with opened up air channels I actually prefer a 3.1mm coil in a kayfun (that's 1/8"). Wicking has never been an issue... If it's larger diameter I just mount the coil perpendicular and run the wick straight down the wall to the bottom of the deck and trim right at that level... If it's a smaller one then I angle it and let it run across the deck (like they show in the kayfun manual).

 

[rusirius]

2.778mm is not that big. I don't know what you're talking about.

^^^ what he said...

 

[TyPie]

It's all about how you use it... That's what my dad told me once...

Ok, seriously though... Here's where the confusion seems to come in... There seems to be this concept or idea from those who use and/or like or are satisfied with lower wattages that anything higher than they use is just excessive... I think I remember seeing that vid you mentioned that Phil did... But the truth is, he did it all wrong... No really... he did... Notice the first thing he said was about how hot it was? Well, if it's that hot then you're doing it wrong...

Let me state it another way real quick before I get on to the explanation... If I cook hot dogs on my stove and use the "#3" setting... And it works just fine for me.... Does that mean that I should question why anyone would want a stove that goes all the way to 10? Sure cooking your hot dogs on 10 might burn them... but try boiling a pot of water with it on 3 and see how long it takes...

So anyway... Here's the thing... If I take a crappy clearomizer and run say 6 watts... It'll give me a decent vape... Very little vapor, but decent none the less... Crank that same clearo up to 15 watts and i'm going to get the dry hit from hell... It's gonna be hot, it's gonna be burnt and it's gonna be terrible....

On the other hand, put a really good build in a kayfun and all of a sudden 15 watts is just providing a decently cool vape... Lots more vapor than the clearo, but still cool and good...

Throw a plume veil on there at 15 watts and potentially it won't even heat up the coils... (depending on build)... Let alone vape...

So here's what you have to understand... It's about air flow and surface area...

Think about this for a second... If you enjoy a vape from a clearo set at 7 watts.... What if you instead took two egos with clearos both running at 7 watts and toked on them at the same time? You've now got double the air flow and double the vapor... you're running 7 watts... but the taste is exactly the same, it's not any warmer than the single one... it's just more vapor and more flavor....

Get it? Run 14 watts on a single clearo and you've got the SAME surface area and SAME air flow... it's going to be nasty.... but double the surface area and double the air flow and you've just got more vapor but the same kind of vape...

To me, that's the idea behind these high power mods... When I build for my 75W mod I build VERY large coils that have TONS of surface area... On top up that I use an RDA that has a TON of airflow.... The end result is a TON of vapor that's LOADED with flavor... Yet it's barely warmer than what you'd experience from that 7w clearo.... And yes, I am in the process now of looking for a 150W mod... Because sometimes the 75W just isn't enough... But I can assure you that at 100+ watts I can get just as cool a vape as you can from a clearo... Though I do like it a LITTLE warmer... But I can also assure you it has a TON more flavor...

Is it cloud chasing? Absolutely not... Why? Because to me the focus of cloud chasing is exactly that... clouds... I like a lot of vapor, don't get me wrong... but I can't stand a .1x or .2 build on a mech at 4.2v... It DOES kill a lot of the flavor no matter how much airflow you have... To me that's cloud chasing... Sacrificing the taste and flavor for clouds... But it doesn't have to be like that when you've got the higher voltage to go along with it and can use that higher power to drive much larger surface areas.

Does that help?

Very good explanation. Thanks for posting this.
As a flavor hound (I could usually care less about the cloud), is the flavor REALLY, REALLY that much better at higher wattages?
If someone would describe how MUCH better the flavor really is, I'd appreciate it.....

 

[DaveSignal]

Very good explanation. Thanks for posting this.
As a flavor hound (I could usually care less about the cloud), is the flavor REALLY, REALLY that much better at higher wattages?
If someone would describe how MUCH better the flavor really is, I'd appreciate it.....

I think that multiple posters have already explained that it is much better. There is not really a good way to substantiate that. If you have an RDA with good airflow then you should try it.

 

[rusirius]

Very good explanation. Thanks for posting this.
As a flavor hound (I could usually care less about the cloud), is the flavor REALLY, REALLY that much better at higher wattages?
If someone would describe how MUCH better the flavor really is, I'd appreciate it.....

I'll borrow an old Buddhist story... A bannana, sugar, and honey are all "Sweet"... Now please post back and describe to me the difference between the sweet in all 3... Tell me how they taste... describe the flavor, but since I've never tasted bannanas, honey, or sugar, don't use that in your description...

On the other hand, if you're standing in front of me and shove a bannana in my mouth and say, "This is sweet like bannana", then sugar and say, "This is sweet like sugar", and finally honey and say, "This is sweet like honey" now I can have a much clearer picture of exactly what you're talking about....

It's kinda the same way here... I can't really describe how much better it is...

It's more intense..... You come in from working in the yard one summer day and go to grab an ice cold coke... Do you want the one that's been sitting in a glass full of ice and is watered down so much that you barely taste the soda? Or do you want the new can out of the fridge ice cold and just popped open?

It's more full... If I bake a cake... and it's a darn delicious cake... and everyone tells you how awesome it is... you decide you HAVE to try it and ask me for a piece to try... If I give you a tiny pin point of icing and tiny pin point of cake... How do you like it? Can you taste it? sure.... but can you REALLY taste it? Do you get all the nuances? Is it there in your face for you to savor? Or do you just barely pick up a hint of the flavor? To me that's a big part of what defines the difference... If I take a juice and throw it in even a dual coil mini protank, can I taste the juice? Of course I can... But can I REALLY taste it? No... it's like that little crumb of cake... It's not full... it's not rich... it's not dense... It's good... and if it's all I know then likely I'll be happy... If you've NEVER had a desert in your life and I give you a crumb of cake then you'll enjoy it... If that's all I ever give you, then you'll enjoy it each and every time.... But once I give you a big full fork of it... Will you ever enjoy the crumbs again?

 

[beckdg]

On the other hand, if you're standing in front of me and shove a bannana in my mouth

Something tells me taste recognition isn't going to be the first instinct. Who's with me?

 

[rusirius]

Something tells me taste recognition isn't going to be the first instinct. Who's with me?

Bwhahaha maybe following the kick to the teeth!

 

[wonkeypickle]

op it's a pretty simple answer to a pretty simple question.



if you like higher wattages, you vape higher wattages. you buy devices that allow you to do such things.


if you don't, you don't.


flavor is subjective. the size of your cloud only matters to you (feel like i'm a therapist at this point), trying to figure out why someone vapes at 200w while your setup tastes horrible at 20w is like trying to figure out why someone would smoke newports when you smoke marlboro reds.

they. just. do.