Just want to understand the high wattage users

Status
Not open for further replies.

USMCotaku

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Apr 25, 2014
11,877
45,735
California
Very good explanation. Thanks for posting this.
As a flavor hound (I could usually care less about the cloud), is the flavor REALLY, REALLY that much better at higher wattages?
If someone would describe how MUCH better the flavor really is, I'd appreciate it.....


Generally it is that much better...... You can have chocolate cake, or you can have triple layer German chocolate cake.......i use a 30 watt, which isn't high wattage by today's standards, but I like being able to push the wattage to 25-30 watts on a higher ohm build, I've found that the same wattage through a coil with more surface area gives me a much better vape, far more flavor. I've even found that some juices I didn't like before are quite pleasant now
 

Rotowoman

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 27, 2014
639
15,388
Louisiana
Then it sounds like you already know your next step! Getting a rebuildable atomizer... learn to build coils. Play around with them and different wicking. What do you currently use for a mod?

OKay, this is what I started with. I started with an eGo 650mah battery and I have no clue what the clearomizer is. I have two of those. Then I decided I wanted a Variable Volt battery, so I got this Elego Twist. I don't know what the mah is. I suspect 1100. Then I decided I wanted something that would last a little longer. So, I got two eGo Variable Volt 1300mah batteries with Aspire Clearomizers. One of my co-workers has introduced me to some more powerful stuff AND he also let me drip. OMG!!
IMG_0789.jpg

I'm liking the 1300mahbattery right now with the Aspire better than anything else because I get more flavor, but at the moment, I'm still using everything.
 
Last edited:

Flt Simulation

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jan 26, 2014
2,509
2,472
Florida
I still don't understand the real benefit from vaping on a sub-ohm coil.


Example: In my Kayfun, I make a 1.6 ohm coil.

Since I like the vape I get with 10 watts of power, I need to supply this 1.6 ohm coil 4.0v

If I go and make lets say a 0.5 ohm coil, I believe I would still like the vape at 10 watts of power? ... but I would only need 2.2v to make that 10 watts.
____________________________________

On the other hand ... If I supply that 0.5 ohm coil with 4.0v like I do with my 1.6 ohm coil, I would be feeding it 32 watts ... That just seems like a very hot vape to me?

I know that if I fed my 1.6 ohm coil 32 watts instead of the 10 watts I usually do, I think it would be hot as hell and the coil would not last very long.
 

rusirius

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 8, 2014
615
1,183
DE
I still don't understand the real benefit from vaping on a sub-ohm coil.


Example: In my Kayfun, I make a 1.6 ohm coil.

Since I like the vape I get with 10 watts of power, I need to supply this 1.6 ohm coil 4.0v

If I go and make lets say a 0.5 ohm coil, I believe I would still like the vape at 10 watts of power? ... but I would only need 2.2v to make that 10 watts.
____________________________________

On the other hand ... If I supply that 0.5 ohm coil with 4.0v like I do with my 1.6 ohm coil, I would be feeding it 32 watts ... That just seems like a very hot vape to me?

I know that if I fed my 1.6 ohm coil 32 watts instead of the 10 watts I usually do, I think it would be hot as hell and the coil would not last very long.

You're comparing apples to apples, but all in a pie... :D It's like saying "I don't understand why anyone would like Gala, or Fuji, or Honeycrisp or Envy apples... Everyone knows the best apple to make pie with is a granny smith... But what if you're not making pie?

You're right... running a .5 build at 32 watts in a kayfun would be a VERY hot vape, and even if you had it wicked perfectly probably exceeding the capabilities of the stock kayfun.... so you'll not only get a very hot vape, but dry/burnt hits as well....

On the other hand, if I pop quad coils in a Mephisto RDA and have wide open air flow 32 watts is barely going to even heat the coils...

I've run builds where even 50 or 60 watts provides a nice COOL vape.... It just depends on the setup and how much airflow you have.
 

AquaLung22

Moved On
Sep 3, 2014
350
142
NY
I vape my RDA/dripper's around 30watts.. The thicker wire we use in our dripper's requires higher wattage, and more airflow. And my usual build is a 0.5ohm, dual-coil 26gauge for my dripper. 2 coils with lower gauge wire need more wattage than say, a few wraps of 32gauge and 2.0ohms
... For my protanks, I usually wrap a 30gauge microcoil, around 2.0ohms, and run it around 8watts. For the dual-coil kanger's that come with my aerotank, I try to run them around 10-12watts.

A lot of people get these 100watt+ mods for battery life. A lot of people use builds that they prefer at higher wattages. I can't see needing to go over 100 though, personally I'd never go over 70w
 

rusirius

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 8, 2014
615
1,183
DE
OKay, this is what I started with. I started with an eGo 650mah battery and I have no clue what the clearomizer is. I have two of those. Then I decided I wanted a Variable Volt battery, so I got this Elego Twist. I don't know what the mah is. I suspect 1100. Then I decided I wanted something that would last a little longer. So, I got two eGo Variable Volt 1300mah batteries with Aspire Clearomizers. One of my co-workers has introduced me to some more powerful stuff AND he also let me drip. OMG!!
View attachment 385880

I'm liking the 1300mahbattery right now with the Aspire better than anything else because I get more flavor, but at the moment, I'm still using everything.

Unless you are ready to move up to a larger mod (battery) I'd probably just look at a better tank... Something like the Kanger Mini Protank 3. It uses dual coil heads and has more airflow than those clearomizers... You'll get more flavor and more vapor out of it on your VV egos. They also are the same diameter as your clearos, so it won't look like you're carrying around a lollipop... Is it going to give you anything like a dripper experience? No absolutely not, but it'll certainly be better than what you're getting now...

If getting into rebuildables doesn't scare you, then consider getting something like the istick (eleaf), vamo, etc and a kayfun... Something like that would probably be your next step after anyway.
 

Katya

ECF Guru
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 23, 2010
34,804
120,147
SoCal
Unless you are ready to move up to a larger mod (battery) I'd probably just look at a better tank... Something like the Kanger Mini Protank 3. It uses dual coil heads and has more airflow than those clearomizers....

Not really. Kanger ProTanks 2 and 3 (regular and mini) have no airflow control base--just two predrilled holes. They were Kanger's first dual coil clearomizers, but they were quickly followed by Aerotanks, which came with adjustable airflow control on the bottom.

Kanger even sells (and recommends) Aerotank bases separately to people who want to improve airflow on their ProTanks 2 and 3. :)

Kanger Airflow Control 2.0 - Mini
 

rusirius

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 8, 2014
615
1,183
DE
Not really. Kanger ProTanks 2 and 3 (regular and mini) have no airflow control base--just two predrilled holes. They were Kanger's first dual coil clearomizers, but they were quickly followed by Aerotanks, which came with adjustable airflow control on the bottom.

Kanger even sells (and recommends) Aerotank bases separately to people who want to improve airflow on their ProTanks 2 and 3. :)

Kanger Airflow Control 2.0 - Mini
Good call, I didn't realize the aerotank was available in the mini!
 

suspectK

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 7, 2013
4,573
2,893
Alabummer
I used to race bikes on an amateur level. Started on dirt bikes when I was 11. My first street bike was a 500, first superbike was a 600, then a 750, then went to liter bikes. I went to tons of track days and spent hours and hours learning with control riders. It was a very long process getting to the point where I felt comfortable hitting the track. But I was safe, never felt out of control and even on the street was a fantastic rider.

On the other hand, I met plenty of people who bought a liter bike for their first bike. They were horrible riders who often had very little control over the bike and couldn't ride for squat. We called them squids. They were a danger to themselves and others, and despite "thinking" they were awesome, truly had no idea what they were doing. Put them on a track and it was like racing a child on a tricycle. I used to love watching someone on a 600 smoke a rider on a 1k that thought they were "bad to the bone."

It was also pretty common to hear of the terrible accidents these squids got into, often times resulting in the loss of their lives. Simply because they thought they were the world's gift to riders and truly had know idea what they were doing. They didn't know their limits and because of it exceeded them often with disastrous results.

The point is.... Take your time. Research and learn. Take small steps. When you're ready for your next step, whatever that might be, you'll know, and you'll know exactly what that step you want to take is. In the end your vape experience will be a fantastic one.
This is such a good analogy... Be safe in anything you do... you can't just jump into building series battery, bottom feeding mod making when you first start, unless your career has a lot of overlapping for the know-how to do that...but still, you shouldn't just jump into "extreme" temperature vaping.

I'm not saying you to go scorch your lungs, cuz there's a good bit of things necessary to get 150 Watts to be a good vape....even with just a 30 Watt supply... but I build 0.2 Ohms(sometimes below 0.1 Ohms, but I have micro-ohm meters, and I allow cooling time between pulls) and above on a mech, but I've never felt the need to order larger wire than my 26&28awg kanthal.. I vape at 25-50 Watts currently... since I use a crappy Chinese chip..they better email me about my replacement, or I'll go off.

I would only get a huge mod for the battery life. I have, and I'm getting, atomizers that can handle 100+ Watts nicely, but I personally try to stay at the lower end of higher wattage vaping. My next mod is a zna50 Watt clone by clouper...silver if these people replace my IPV2..black if not;)...
 
Last edited:

owmang

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2014
81
25
New Zealand`
the most wattage i would go for in a regulated device is 50w. 100w + mods are plain stupid and impractical. lets be real who would want to vape above 100w unless you wanted to blow big clouds. if you want a high powered vape then go pick your balls up and get a mech.
i think for most people they enjoy the thought that they have all that power at their disposal even if they dont go over 50w
 

suspectK

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 7, 2013
4,573
2,893
Alabummer
No.... let us be real.

Battery life with the IPV3 is amazing... and I'm sure the other big box mods, and smaller modders products, are pretty close.

I don't know what's up with IPV3 charger though.. I've seen mixed things.. that it only charges one battery..not the other...but that's rediculous with a 2 Amp output for the charger.
 

Stubby

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 22, 2009
2,104
1,992
Madison, WI USA
I think that would be better worded as "how much juice CAN you go through"... Reason being I can slap a single coil in my atomic and run it at 40W and kick out a ton of vapor... In a day of fair use I might go through 10ml like that... On the other hand I can slap a dual coil in a plume veil and run at 75W and probably suck down closer to 20-30ml in a day of heavy use... But honestly my normal consumption is probably somewhere around 10ml - 15ml or so a day.... Because I'm not chain vaping all day... and if I'm running a very high wattage build I'm not hitting it nearly as often.... If I'm kicked back watching TV and practically chain vaping then I'm probably running lower power and smaller surface area... If I'm out and about where I might only get a few tokes here and there then I'm running something massive... :D

And this shows just how silly high watt vaping really is. Of course there is better flavor as they are sucking down four times more vapor with every hit, but high watt vapors are normally using very low nicotine content as in 3 or 6 mg so they don't make themselves sick with a nicotine overdose, which means they are spending three or four times as much (or more) on liquid to get there adolescent testosterone laden thrill ride (as a rule it is most often young males). Holy crap, 20 to 30 ml in a heavy use day is loony tunes.

No thanks, I'll stick with my high mg low watt pleasure.
 

beckdg

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 1, 2013
11,018
35,706
TN
And this shows just how silly high watt vaping really is. Of course there is better flavor as they are sucking down four times more vapor with every hit, but high watt vapors are normally using very low nicotine content as in 3 or 6 mg so they don't make themselves sick with a nicotine overdose, which means they are spending three or four times as much (or more) on liquid to get there adolescent testosterone laden thrill ride (as a rule it is most often young males). Holy crap, 20 to 30 ml in a heavy use day is loony tunes.

No thanks, I'll stick with my high mg low watt pleasure.
Foolish, uneducated statement.

I vape at 80 watts.
I vape 50mg/ml juice.
I go through 6mg per day.
My ADV is diy and very inexpensive.
I don't cloud chase.
I enjoy treating myself to designer juice from time to time.

Sent from my device.
 

rusirius

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 8, 2014
615
1,183
DE
And this shows just how silly high watt vaping really is. Of course there is better flavor as they are sucking down four times more vapor with every hit, but high watt vapors are normally using very low nicotine content as in 3 or 6 mg so they don't make themselves sick with a nicotine overdose, which means they are spending three or four times as much (or more) on liquid to get there adolescent testosterone laden thrill ride (as a rule it is most often young males). Holy crap, 20 to 30 ml in a heavy use day is loony tunes.

No thanks, I'll stick with my high mg low watt pleasure.
And honestly this shows just how silly your statement is. Yes, there is better flavor. Which is exactly what I want. I don't vape just for nic. If I did I'd just go get some patches or gum. I vape for flavor and the enjoyment of it. I quit smoking cigarettes 20 years ago. For the 10 years before vaping I'd have a cigar every few nights. The nic from them was very low and slow. Depending on the cigar you couldn't even tell you were getting any nic and there was no addiction. I did it for the flavor and the relaxation and enjoyment I got from sitting out on the patio for an hour and a half just enjoying life.

vaping is no different for me. I want the flavor and the enjoyment. The nic is just a little added bonus.

And just fyi, I'm far from adolescent at almost 40, and my "terribly expensive 3mg and 6mg juice costs me a whopping 60 cents per 30ml.

Do you enjoy living in your house? That just shows how silly you are. You could just get a cardboard box on the street and not waste all that ridiculous amount of money on your adolescent ego that needs a house.... or wait.... wouldn't you find living in a cardboard box quite as enjoyable?
 

USMCotaku

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Apr 25, 2014
11,877
45,735
California
Not really. Kanger ProTanks 2 and 3 (regular and mini) have no airflow control base--just two predrilled holes. They were Kanger's first dual coil clearomizers, but they were quickly followed by Aerotanks, which came with adjustable airflow control on the bottom.

Kanger even sells (and recommends) Aerotank bases separately to people who want to improve airflow on their ProTanks 2 and 3. :)

Kanger Airflow Control 2.0 - Mini


He wasn't wrong in saying the pt3 has more airflow....... The new kanger dual coil heads have better airflow. If you compare them side by side with the old style, you will see the air flow hole in the pin is much larger on the new ones..... Of course running them in an aerotank is preferable over a pt3. I like my aerotank mega, but the aerotank mini has one good thing going for it, the coil pin makes direct contact to the positive terminal pin while the regular and mega aerotank go through an adapter.... Every extra connection brings some voltage drop (not a big deal on a good vv/vw device)
 

tj99959

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
  • Aug 13, 2011
    15,116
    39,600
    utah
    Foolish, uneducated statement.

    I vape at 80 watts.
    I vape 50mg/ml juice.
    I go through 6mg per day.
    My ADV is diy and very inexpensive.
    I don't cloud chase.
    I enjoy treating myself to designer juice from time to time.

    Sent from my device.

    Foolish, uneducated statement.

    I vape at 7 watts.
    I vape 10mg/ml juice.
    I go through 3ml per day.
    My ADV is diy and very inexpensive.
    I don't cloud chase.
    I enjoy treating myself to designer juice from time to time.

    There are NO "Foolish, uneducated statements" here, just personal preferences.
    It doesn't matter if someone doesn't like how I vape! I do!

    OH-AND, what I choose to use determines what wattage works best, not the other way around.
    You WILL NOT vape at 80 watts using an A7, that I can assure you of.
    I will also normally get out the 10mg unflavored base to cut those "designer juices" in half, because the flavoring is to strong.
     
    Last edited:

    Stubby

    Ultra Member
    ECF Veteran
    Apr 22, 2009
    2,104
    1,992
    Madison, WI USA
    And honestly this shows just how silly your statement is. Yes, there is better flavor. Which is exactly what I want. I don't vape just for nic. If I did I'd just go get some patches or gum. I vape for flavor and the enjoyment of it. I quit smoking cigarettes 20 years ago. For the 10 years before vaping I'd have a cigar every few nights. The nic from them was very low and slow. Depending on the cigar you couldn't even tell you were getting any nic and there was no addiction. I did it for the flavor and the relaxation and enjoyment I got from sitting out on the patio for an hour and a half just enjoying life.

    vaping is no different for me. I want the flavor and the enjoyment. The nic is just a little added bonus.

    And just fyi, I'm far from adolescent at almost 40, and my "terribly expensive 3mg and 6mg juice costs me a whopping 60 cents per 30ml.

    Do you enjoy living in your house? That just shows how silly you are. You could just get a cardboard box on the street and not waste all that ridiculous amount of money on your adolescent ego that needs a house.... or wait.... wouldn't you find living in a cardboard box quite as enjoyable?

    So you appear to be saying the only way to truly enjoy vaping is with high watts, or at least you are strongly implying that, which just digs a bigger whole for yourself and the legitimacy of high watts.

    The biggest problem with high watts is the arrogance of the people doing it. There is a strong implication that high watts is the ultimate experience. Some type of vaping nirvana that should be the goal of all people using electronic cigarettes. Anyone not doing it is must surely be a newbie of just to dense to get it. That type of arrogance is where the silliness and danger comes into play.

    The vast majority of EC users do it to stay off of cigarettes, and for that high watts are certianly worse then lower watts because of the hassle and very long learning curve. It's a hobbyist pursuit, and nothing more. Pushing people who are struggling to stay off of cigarettes to jump into high watts is very bad advice, yet I see it on a daily bases. If you can't see that going through 20 to 30 ml on a heavy use day puts you in free fall over the cliff.... well, what you do is your own business. But when you urge others of jump off the cliff with you that becomes a different issue.
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.

    Users who are viewing this thread