Oh, I KNOW you're right. I'm still very much in the learning stage, That's why I come here and read until my eyeballs burn. I'm definitely getting an education, and I sure as hell don't want to make a move until I'm fairly sure of what I'm doing. I don't even know how to build a coil yet or anything like that, but I'm not intimidated and I'm willing to learn.
Just want to understand the high wattage users
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Oh, I KNOW you're right. I'm still very much in the learning stage, That's why I come here and read until my eyeballs burn. I'm definitely getting an education, and I sure as hell don't want to make a move until I'm fairly sure of what I'm doing. I don't even know how to build a coil yet or anything like that, but I'm not intimidated and I'm willing to learn.
I'm glad this thread has remained relatively civil. The low power vs. high power thing is becoming almost as divisive as the clone vs. authentic debate. I am, however, surprised at the absence of one poster in particular who seems to enjoy stalking these kinds of threads to cast uninformed aspersions upon the high power crowd.
All I can say, from personal experience, is that as my devices' power has increased, my vaping enjoyment has increased commensurately. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns but I haven't hit it yet. A well built RDA with big wire and substantial airflow running at high watts is certainly my vaping happy place. Although, I won't presume to decry anyone else's method of vaping. You vape yours, I'll vape mine.
All I can say, from personal experience, is that as my devices' power has increased, my vaping enjoyment has increased commensurately. I'm sure there is a point of diminishing returns but I haven't hit it yet. A well built RDA with big wire and substantial airflow running at high watts is certainly my vaping happy place. Although, I won't presume to decry anyone else's method of vaping. You vape yours, I'll vape mine.
Right. I have plenty of clearos that are not crappy at all--I actually like them a lot and I happen to like 6-7 watts per coil for stock atties. But I agree that stock single coils can't take more than 8-9 watts without getting hot and possibly delivering a dry hit--they just can't wick fast enough to keep the coils wet and thus prevent scorching.
Now put those two clearos running at 7 watts each into one clearomizer.
You'll need to increase the wattage to 14 watts if they are in parallel--and voila: enter dual coil clearomizers with air flow control base. The best such clearomizer IMO is Kanger Aerotank. Two coils configured in parallel (instead of one 1.8Ω coil--two 3.6Ω), twice the surface area of a single coil atty. Those clearos need more wattage because the load gets divided between two coils, resulting in more volume, more airflow, better wicking, better flavor, no burning. Kanger just introduced an Aerotank with a quad coil. I don't think I need it, but I have to admit that I'm curious about how it vapes. That's why dual-coil atties are so widely popular.
OKay....I understand the high wattage now, and I WANT that flavor, but all this information has my head spinning.
Baby steps.
If you want flavor, coil temperature is critical--temperature of the coil controls the flavor. If your coil gets too hot, it will ruin/burn/scorch/alter the flavor. What most of us seek in vaping is a perfect balance between the flavor, vapor volume, and the speed and strength with which that "hit" from our PV is delivered. Not an easy thing to accomplish. The new DNA 40 technology from Evolv is trying to address those three issues--the jury is still out, it's brand new, but it sounds very promising. At least to me.
What are you using now? Have you tried a good dual-coil clearomizer yet? If not, give it a try. Depending on your battery, choose a mini Aerotank or Aerotank (regular or V2), they are both very nice, IMO. Experiment a little with different wattages and airflow settings. I like to run mine at 4.2-4.6 volts, depending on the resistance of the coil (1.5 or 1.8Ω) and juice I'm using (roughly 5-6 watts per coil).
If you discover that you still want more power and airflow, you'll have to move up to rebuildable atomizers. They are designed to wick very fast, much faster than any commercially made coil, to withstand the increasing temperatures of the heating coil at very high wattages.
Good luck and happy vaping.
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A 3 ohm coil and a 0.2 ohm coil vape well at the same temperature and burn juice at the same temperature. It's the area of the surface that vapor is being created on that makes the major difference in ability to create volumes of vapor. Then air flow and wicking just have to match up well to maximize potential created by the coil. Otherwise burning commences because the elements of cooling aren't keeping up with the heating element(s).
Lower ohm builds just use thicker and/or more coils. So like your single vs dual coil example it takes more power accordingly to heat up the coils.
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Sorry, I shouldn't have implied all clearos are crappy... For me personally I don't like them at all. The draw is too tight and generally they can't handle much power. To ME they are crappy, LOL, but that doesn't mean they can't be enjoyable! And there certainly are plenty of people out there who love them, especially the better quality ones.
A funny side note... Once upon a time when I was using clearos and a couple of tanks exclusively, I bought my first kayfun. It was absolutely amazing. Loved everything about it, ESPECIALLY the big airy draw it had.
I stayed on kayfun style tanks for a long time, and a Fogger was the first tank I ever had that had a much more airy draw... I still remember the first time I fired it up... I HATED it... WAY WAY too loose... How could anyone enjoy this thing? Then I got an RDA.... OMG this is the same crap.... WAY WAY too much air.... This can't be liked by anyone.... How could anyone choose this over a kayfun? But I kept going back to that RDA, playing around with the build and restricting the airflow tighter and tighter.... And eventually found myself happy... And the more I used it the more that airflow started getting opened up.... One RDA led to another... Often to get more airflow! Then one day I decided to try the fogger out again... I dug it out and built it up... Imagine my surprise when I found the airflow WAY too tight!!! LOL... I picked up one of my kayfuns and felt like I couldn't get any air through it at all!!!! Next thing you know I'm drilling out the kayfuns, drilling out the fogger, buying more RDAs with bigger air flow... etc...etc....etc.... It's just crazy how that works... One day because of what I was accustomed to I couldn't imagine anyone truly enjoying something, then as time marched on I was that person enjoying it and couldn't imagine how I was ever happy with the stuff I used to use!!!I have never sub-ohmed, so I take your word for it because I have no personal experience with sub-ohm builds.
But I think we agree. But no matter what we do, our eliquid always evaporates at the same temperature (the boiling point of PG/VG blends is somewhere around 380 degrees Fahrenheit). The bottom line, as I understand it--the more wattage (power, heat) we deliver to a coil (any coil), the more liquid we need to throw at it to keep that coil from overheating and scorching the juice. I actually saw a video of eliquid catching on fire (as in bursting in flames) in a high wattage (200W?) mod.
Theoretically, you could vape at any wattage--provided that you could keep enough juice flowing to the coil to keep it cool. But at some point it becomes an exercise in futility... I don't know, however, where that point is--20 watts? 100 watts? 200 watts??? I guess it's different for different people. I know what I like.
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A funny side note... Once upon a time when I was using clearos and a couple of tanks exclusively, I bought my first kayfun. It was absolutely amazing. Loved everything about it, ESPECIALLY the big airy draw it had.
Not funny to me. Every Kayfun I ever tried had a tight draw--to me. I liked the draw on the Fogger much better.
You pretty much got it. There's just a matter of thermal and electrical theory and how that relates to materials and wire gauge.
Short hand is that in a way you are correct. You could vape at any power level so long as you have the lung capacity and thick enough wire with a MASSIVE atty.
I vape @ 80 watts. I can only assume that triple that is far from the limit. There are attys that are made for 4 times as many coils as I use and thicker gauge wire.
When I dry burn my coils my juice puddled in my atty always catches on fire. But never when I'm vaping. LOL There's something seriously wrong with a setup if it's catching fire during a vape.
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Short hand is that in a way you are correct. You could vape at any power level so long as you have the lung capacity and thick enough wire with a MASSIVE atty.
I vape @ 80 watts. I can only assume that triple that is far from the limit. There are attys that are made for 4 times as many coils as I use and thicker gauge wire.
When I dry burn my coils my juice puddled in my atty always catches on fire. But never when I'm vaping. LOL There's something seriously wrong with a setup if it's catching fire during a vape.
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People use the term accident all too often when they mean crash. The term accident removes the responsibility (at least in part) from the person who crashed. Calling it an accident makes them the victim. People need to be aware of and take responsibility for the risks they assume in any aspect of life.
A crash is an accident though, unless you are a movie stunt driver or crushing cars with a monster truck. Or are suicidal. In the English language, the word "accident" does not remove responsibility, it just means that it was unintentional.
I currently run around 8.5 to 9 watts on a single coil. But I am moving up to a dual coil mod and expect to run no more than 20 watts. Beyond that is just cloud chasing and not my thing personally...although it looks like fun!
So how much more e juice do you power mod guys go through in a day of chain vaping?? 10ml? 15mls?
I've noticed that if you open up airflow to max on a .3 or .4 build for the Doge, you can run it at crazy-high wattages without ruining the flavor (or it being too hot). Airflow is RIDICULOUS on the Doge, I usually have it closed up about 80%. The Tobh airflow is my ideal spot, and you can imitate that airflow on the Doge.
I go through about 15mL of juice on a regular day, fyi.
once you learn how to build coils a VW/VV mod will let you figure out what you like, which is all that really matters. Some juices are better at higher power, some lower. Some stress levels (for me) benefit from more power ;-)
Be safe, and try to find out what you enjoy.
YMMV
Be safe, and try to find out what you enjoy.
YMMV
I think that would be better worded as "how much juice CAN you go through"... Reason being I can slap a single coil in my atomic and run it at 40W and kick out a ton of vapor... In a day of fair use I might go through 10ml like that... On the other hand I can slap a dual coil in a plume veil and run at 75W and probably suck down closer to 20-30ml in a day of heavy use... But honestly my normal consumption is probably somewhere around 10ml - 15ml or so a day.... Because I'm not chain vaping all day... and if I'm running a very high wattage build I'm not hitting it nearly as often.... If I'm kicked back watching TV and practically chain vaping then I'm probably running lower power and smaller surface area... If I'm out and about where I might only get a few tokes here and there then I'm running something massive...
You couldn't be further from the truth. For example see my next answer.I currently run around 8.5 to 9 watts on a single coil. But I am moving up to a dual coil mod and expect to run no more than 20 watts. Beyond that is just cloud chasing and not my thing personally...although it looks like fun!
I go through 6 ml on average.
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