Just want to use eCigs to Quit - Not Long Term

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Elizaabeth

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I am trying to use the e-cig as a means to an end. I don't particularly care to learn how to re-fill them or anything else. A bit overwhelmed by the science of it all. Still on my basic "ecig starter kit" and on my first "filter or cartridge" it is giving me a horrible sore throat - so I haven't used it since yesterday morning and finally sore throat is easing a little bit. I have to assume it is the ecig causing it...
I've no clue if it has PG or VG or what in it??? And don't know how to determine this. What about the disposables? Any thoughts on them? I am not looking for long term use - as I ultimately want to get myself off of nicotine entirely - so really dont want to invest in a lot of equipment. I am hoping to use the e-cig to take a few drags now and then when I can't handle the withdrawal cravings of regular tobacco cigarettes. Is there an easy simple way to use this this way or am I being unrealistic in my hopes?
 

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...I would look at vapor4life, the volt or bloog all of which are similar devices and at the top end of the ciggy look alikes...your sore throat could well be a function of the kit your using and the juice/cartridges which came with it, or could well be caused by dehydration, which vaping is notorious for...increased water intake is a must for a vaper..........
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I don't want to say you're being unrealistic but I would like to say that the nicotine delivery from vaping is not nearly as potent as smoking a cigarette. It's almost like the difference between taking a shot of whiskey and drinking a wine cooler. So satisfaction from taking a few drags off of a disposable ecig is unlikely when you are craving really hard. As for the sore throat, the only 2 things I can recommend are different juice, and to drink lots of fluids when you use your ecig if you haven't been already. They do have a tendency to make us thirsty and dry out our throats.
 

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Throat irritation can be common if the juice you are using is one that is known for "throat hit" or you are experiencing a dry atomizer (not enough juice saturation). If the barrel of the atomizer/cartomizer gets more than just a little warm, it's dry.

I don't know what ecig you are using, but the 510/Ego family is one of the more popular around here. Liberty Flights sells a Riva 510 Lite Bundle that is a quality ecig for $29.95.
Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

This is an ecig that lets you control juice feed because it has a two piece atomizer and cartridge. You can pop it apart and look at the filler. There are mods for the cart and it can also double as a drip tip ecig. Dripping is an activity where you actually drip 2 or 3 drops at a time when you vape and get about the same number of puffs as a tobacco cigarette.

You can also try juices with more VG (vegetable glycerine) content as opposed to PG (propylene glycol) which offers a little more taste, but more throat hit. 50/50 pg/vg is a good starting point.
 

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There can be a lot of factors here. Your mouth is a complete microbial ecosystem, containing a wide array of microscopic flora and fauna. Propylene glycol and (to a lesser extent) glycerin -- which are the predominant carriers in electonic cigarettes -- both have germicidal qualities. Not all microbes are equally affected, so this can alter the relative populations of various microbes in your mouth.

It just so happens one of my sideline hobbies is studying the microbes (mostly bacteria because I'm best equipped to study them) throughout the digestive tract from entry to exit, and one thing I have discovered is that which microbes predominate in a region is affected by many factors. Interestingly, also, the sorts of compounds created by those microbes will also be affected both by their relative predominance and other factors in the environment such as changes in diet.

This is a long way of saying that the reason, I believe, why many people suffer from soreness in the mouth, tongue and throat when they first start vaping is because the PG and/or glycerin alters the balance of bacteria in that region and also alters the environment in which those bacteria live. This causes a temporary shift in which some of these usually benign bacteria take on near-pathogenic qualities until a new equilibrium is established.

This same occurs in the intestines when a person makes a radical dietary change such as eliminating all carbs. Bacteria that were previously thriving on carbs in the intestines experience an altered environment, and generate compounds for a short time, until a new equilibrium is established, that will even make the person who changed diet feel sick. There is a lot of research piling up indicating that intestinal bacteria exert indirect influences on behavior in order to pursue their own interests independent of the larger organism they inhabit.

Unless you are having an allergic reaction to the specific ingredients in your e-cigs -- which is rare but possible -- the cause is likely what I am describing.

Given time, it will pass.

One trick that naturopaths and some nutritionists use to reduce these problems when changing diets is to reduce overall intestinal bacteria populations. (Bacteria make up 40% of the dry weight of feces.) They do this by having their patient fast for a couple of days and take a laxative prior to undertaking the new diet; and then augmenting their first portions of the new diet for a couple of days with neutral bacteria that have not yet developed a specific food preference. This reduces the overall intestinal bacterial population and replaces some existing strains with bacteria that will be more friendly to the new diet, and thereby improves the odds of long-term compliance of the patient.

So this suggests a similar approach *may* be useful for vaping. Unfortunately, I have not studied the differential in effects of PG and glycerin on common mouth bacteria.

An analogous approach would be to use an antibacterial mouthwash (such as listerine) twice daily for one minute -- say, in the morning and before bed. This accomplishes the same thing as fasting and purging. Then, populate more neutral strains through a broad spectrum neutral digestive bacteria supplement except, instead of swallowing it, break open the capsule and add it to some water that you swish around in your mouth a couple of times daily. This would help establish a new environment with a bit more rapidity.

But, if the above sounds like a pain in the tush, I would say just ease into vaping by at first using it to replace every other cigarette and then increasing so your mouth environment can adjust gradually. Either way, eventually the problem goes away.

As for using the disposables, imho, they are mostly horrible. I won't name names, but many of them are bad. As madjack notes, maybe dormouse will have some specific helpful suggestions in terms of gear. I also think madjack's specific recommendation of some easy cartomizer-based e-cigs is a sound one.
 

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You have to figure out if you want to use a pv to quit or a different method. No work at all with patches or pills, try them.

Those of us that have tried pills and patches with no success, try e-cigarettes. We know up front that they won't taste like a cigarette. They aren't paper and leaves. It's a small battery operated device, and if you've ever owned anything with a battery then can last a week or a year. Then there's the delivery system for the nicotine. There are prefilled cartomizers that contain nicotine with flavoring or liquid you fill yourself. One generally tastes better than the other. Prefilled can be sitting around in a hot factory somewhere. Some like them. My mom used them for several weeks to get off cigs. Did she love them? What difference does it make, she quit.

It's up to you to decide how much effort you want to put into this. Your not going to go to bed a smoker and wake up a non-smoker whatever you decide to try.

Plugging in a battery and filling a little cartridge with some drops doesn't seem like a huge effort to me. I had a sore throat for a week or two and it went away. I also stopped smoking cigarettes. It was worth the effort to me. Once your familiarize yourself with the pv and find a juice you find tolerable, slowly reduce the nicotine level.
 

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If your throat is sensitive I would recommend Bloogplanet or SmokelessImage over Vapor4Life. I use Vapor4Life but their cartos do run hotter than those two others. Those two others have the same threading but their cartos give a bigger but softer and less hot/less hit drag. I STRONGLY recommend manual batteries so you can control your hit better and not have vapor production be dependent on your drag. With manual batteries you hold the button in to make vapor and drag as softly/much/little as you want. It gives you a lot more control.

Also with ecigs - do not drag right into your lungs. Drag slowly into your mouth then inhale. ANd drink penty of fluids. Also don't overdo the nic or vaping. Nicotine is a skin irritant. If you can vape comfortably THEN you will get the nic you need.

I think that is your best solution if you don't want to refill anything. Just note - cartomizers do not last as long as a pack of cigs for most people. More like maybe 10-12 cigs. And if you do not keep them damp, you may get a singed taste as they get close to dry.
 
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Elizaabeth

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Sorry swedishfish - I guess maybe my post came accross sounding wrong. I am under extreme stress - trying to quit traditional cigs in support of my husband who is just released from hospital after 3 stints put into arteries of heart, taking care of my mom after loosing my dad to lung cancer earlier this year. Battling raging hormones of menopause and I guess getting frustrated because I am "stress stupid" and having such a hard time understanding everything. Of course any amount of effort is worth it to get off the cigs - but my end goal is to get off the nicotine as well and to use the ecig for as short of a period as possible. Last I checked it, my blood pressure was creeping above "the normal range" and I think getting off nicotine entirely is probably necessary for me. I have tried the patch and gum and failed....may times....I have tried cold turkey and failed....even more times..... thought i would try ecig this time....
 

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Sorry swedishfish - I guess maybe my post came accross sounding wrong. I am under extreme stress - trying to quit traditional cigs in support of my husband who is just released from hospital after 3 stints put into arteries of heart, taking care of my mom after loosing my dad to lung cancer earlier this year. Battling raging hormones of menopause and I guess getting frustrated because I am "stress stupid" and having such a hard time understanding everything. Of course any amount of effort is worth it to get off the cigs - but my end goal is to get off the nicotine as well and to use the ecig for as short of a period as possible. Last I checked it, my blood pressure was creeping above "the normal range" and I think getting off nicotine entirely is probably necessary for me. I have tried the patch and gum and failed....may times....I have tried cold turkey and failed....even more times..... thought i would try ecig this time....

No, your post didn't come across sounding wrong. Using pills or patches or gum does work for some people. Granted, not many but I do know people that quit that way. And you don't have the ongoing expense or need to fool with pvs, etc.

If you've tried them and those methods don't work for you vaping does work for many people. But it's not as easy as buying some gum or putting on a patch. That was my point. There is more involved vaping. And it can be frustrating. Most of us have never tried it, don't know what to expect, don't have any 'real life' people to help. We're buying a bunch of stuff blind unless there's a regular brick and mortar store near you.

Almost all of us have spent way more than we expected finding the right pv, the right cartos, the right juice. It can be very frustrating. And people have different frustration levels. My sister still smokes more than she vapes. Unfortunately my neighbor that I got a kit for does too (and he's in remission with lung cancer). Who knows why.

I think if you're mentally in the place that you're going to stick with this you will find what you want. I really recommend sticking around the board, get active in posting and maybe join one of the groups here. It's almost like a support group and I think it will help.

Don't put pressure on yourself. I never intended to quit when I started vaping. But when I saw it was possible, I stuck with it. Don't think long term yet. Focus on just cutting down slowly at first, it really will happen. My mom smoked for close to 60 years and she quit. If she can, trust me, anyone can.

I do think filling cartos yourself taste much better but if you just want to get the prefilled, try a bunch of flavors.
 
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