Kanger Rocket Science

[stormjib]

I can tell you for sure, too much cotton in there, by about half. you want it just long enough to reach the wall of the chamber, any more than that is too much. Those coils are 'okay', if the kit still comes with wire, or you have some, you can do much better with a compressed coil, 26 or 28 ga kanthal, 2.5-3mm, 4 to 8 wraps.

 

[LarryYo]

then there is the potential that it might be your juice as well. if all the hardware is working like it is supposed to then it would make sense to try another juice. i have come across some juices that taste like contact dry hit to me. last i remember was a black cherry i got and it was not good lol by any means of the word.

 

[Keyn]

I can tell you for sure, too much cotton in there, by about half. you want it just long enough to reach the wall of the chamber, any more than that is too much. Those coils are 'okay', if the kit still comes with wire, or you have some, you can do much better with a compressed coil, 26 or 28 ga kanthal, 2.5-3mm, 4 to 8 wraps.

Hey, thanks for chiming in. It's weird, because when I cut the wick, it looked like a little bow tie, no wider than the deck. Not tight in the coil either. I was surprised to see how massive it became. Obviously, I must have compressed the cotton too much somehow so that it looked ok until fully saturated. Funny, because another time, the exact opposite happened, and ended up with only the bottom half of the coil being touched by the wick.

I think it's impossible to tell/show someone. Seems like you have to ask and try again over and over. Trial and error guided by the experienced. I think that's what makes this forum great.

I rewicked yet again. Better vapor, still a little dry, but vapable-ish.

 

[Keyn]

then there is the potential that it might be your juice as well. if all the hardware is working like it is supposed to then it would make sense to try another juice. i have come across some juices that taste like contact dry hit to me. last i remember was a black cherry i got and it was not good lol by any means of the word.

I'm beginning to wonder about that myself. I just finished a new wick and primed it with the last of the WTA. Now that's gone, all the same probs are cropping up.

I made sure it would wick. I did 99% of the priming through the juice holes until it wouldn't take any more, then hit the coil with a drop to be sure. I hope it is the juice. I would hate to find I'm just too dumb to handle the world's easiest setup lol.

The tank is loaded with an 'RY4' juice. From the bottle it smells like caramel corn. Tastes like superheated air with a dull metallic aftertaste and little vapor.

 

[stormjib]

the rule of thumb for wicking a subtank is: less is better. you can put a pretty big coil in there, with just a small amount of wick and it works fine....if it continues to be a problem, a long term solution that some people have good results with, is enlarging the holes on the side of the chimney to 4mm or even a little bigger....think of your cotton as the juice highway, you want as direct a path to your coil as you can create.

 

[Keyn]

the rule of thumb for wicking a subtank is: less is better. you can put a pretty big coil in there, with just a small amount of wick and it works fine....if it continues to be a problem, a long term solution that some people have good results with, is enlarging the holes on the side of the chimney to 4mm or even a little bigger....think of your cotton as the juice highway, you want as direct a path to your coil as you can create.

See, now you're on the other problem I was having. Juice hasn't been restricted. It's been flooding the deck and running out the air holes, and AT THE SAME TIME the thing's putting out dry hits! It's like the cotton doesn't want to get the liquid to the coil. I thinned the liquid down (100 vg) even thinner than a 70 pg/30 vg liquid, no joy...

With the RY4, in any concentration, regardless of too much/too little cotton and all in between, it's been dry. Same exact setup with the WTA liquid, I was in heaven. Juicy, tasty, proper TH, all was great.

I'd pull my hair out if I had enough to cover my head.

 

[haleysdadda]

Alright. But you see how saturated it is. Why does it taste dry and like #@&$? It's so weird. I will rewick again and see what happens.

Is there anyone around who vapes & raps coils. Because you seem to need some in depth help. You should search You Tube for coiling tutorials. Look for vids from Rip Trippers, Vapin' Fagan, Grimm Green, and pbusardo. Until you really know about coiling you probably stick to the OCC's. I've been running a Subtank mini since March with very little problems. Exclusively used OCC's until I learned to wrap coils witch took like 3 months of research. As far as dry hits with the OCC's I never had a problem but the thickest juice I ever run is 60vg/40pg and as a general rule I stick with 50/50. I've found the thicker juices are great for clouds but lack flavor. Also your box probably reads volts too. Try keeping under 3.5 volts with the mini it seems to work best that way. I've found this even to be true with the nickel build I've got in my RBA now. If you need more nic there are some places online that sell up to a 32mg juice. The higher the nic the worse the flavor. DO SOME RESEARCH & STAY SAFE!

 

[stormjib]

the only wick that matters, in terms of being wet, is the stuff inside your coil...anything outside your coil is just there waiting to be fed into the coil...and if your cotton contacts your airflow at all, you're going to have leaks. basically you want to just barely cover the holes on the side of the chimney, and fairly tight through the coil, not loose. you'll work it out, once you get it down it's easy.

 

[Keyn]

Is there anyone around who vapes & raps coils. Because you seem to need some in depth help. You should search You Tube for coiling tutorials. Look for vids from Rip Trippers, Vapin' Fagan, Grimm Green, and pbusardo. Until you really know about coiling you probably stick to the OCC's. I've been running a Subtank mini since March with very little problems. Exclusively used OCC's until I learned to wrap coils witch took like 3 months of research. As far as dry hits with the OCC's I never had a problem but the thickest juice I ever run is 60vg/40pg and as a general rule I stick with 50/50. I've found the thicker juices are great for clouds but lack flavor. Also your box probably reads volts too. Try keeping under 3.5 volts with the mini it seems to work best that way. I've found this even to be true with the nickel build I've got in my RDA now. If you need more nic there are some places online that sell up to a 32mg juice. The higher the nic the worse the flavor. DO SOME RESEARCH & STAY SAFE!

Hey man, thanks for coming aboard my crazy train. Ok, I'm not building ANYTHING. The subox mini kit comes with the following:

1x 1.5 ohm OCC
1x 0.5 ohm OCC
1x RBA with 0.5 ohm coil (preinstalled).
1x loose 0.5 ohm coil (not wire, but coil [as in already wrapped])

When the OCC's came up hitting dry, I went with the RBA. All those YouTube guys are great, and they answer issues about flooding OR dry hits... Google has yet to see flooding AND dry hits AT THE SAME TIME. I appreciate the concern for safety, that's why I'm using a regulated mod, and coils prewrapped from the factory, keeping wattage/voltage in normal operating range.

 

[Keyn]

the only wick that matters, in terms of being wet, is the stuff inside your coil...anything outside your coil is just there waiting to be fed into the coil...and if your cotton contacts your airflow at all, you're going to have leaks. basically you want to just barely cover the holes on the side of the chimney, and fairly tight through the coil, not loose. you'll work it out, once you get it down it's easy.

I'm sure I will, in the beginning the RBA seemed way superior to the OCC. Like LarryYo said, it may be a juice thing. Remember I have the same dry hit on the OCC's, and not until I switched to RY4 did the problem arise. But that same issue on both OCC's AND RBA. The only thing they share is switching juice and bingo... Dry hits.

 

[haleysdadda]

Hey man, thanks for coming aboard my crazy train. Ok, I'm not building ANYTHING. The subox mini kit comes with the following:

1x 1.5 ohm OCC
1x 0.5 ohm OCC
1x RBA with 0.5 ohm coil (preinstalled).
1x loose 0.5 ohm coil (not wire, but coil [as in already wrapped])

When the OCC's came up hitting dry, I went with the RBA. All those YouTube guys are great, and they answer issues about flooding OR dry hits... Google has yet to see flooding AND dry hits AT THE SAME TIME. I appreciate the concern for safety, that's why I'm using a regulated mod, and coils prewrapped from the factory, keeping wattage/voltage in normal operating range.

That's why I said stay under 3.5 volts (3.0 is where I usually run) because it sounds like you might be getting "Burnt" hits not "Dry" ones. This is just what I have found. Vaping is a scientific preference. Use the science to suit your preference!

 

[LarryYo]

yeah it may not be a dry hit that just may be the flavor of the juice or your pallet isnt ready to taste that juice yet. I have found a lot of juices that tasted terrible when i first started to vape after a couple years those same juices that tasted terrible or off started to taste differently. I remember distinctly the less then satisfying juices. Another thing for your OCC coils it may take some time to for the coils to break in as well.

 

[LarryYo]

Just trying to explore all the options here. habit from working in a vape shop lol. I have had these questions come at me all day for days on end.

 

[Keyn]

That's why I said stay under 3.5 volts (3.0 is where I usually run) because it sounds like you might be getting "Burnt" hits not "Dry" ones. This is just what I have found. Vaping is a scientific preference. Use the science to suit your preference!

Thanks again. The subox is VW, not directly VV. I can set the watts, then taking the resistance and current into account it reports the voltage I'm vaping. Since I've been vaping mostly around 12-22 watts with a 0.5 ohm coil, the voltage range is like 2.45-3.32. Relatively normal.

The subox isn't my first go at vaping. Years ago I had the old 510 carts+atty, cartos, eGo, etc. Repacked the old cartos too. The taste I'm getting is not burnt. Imagine being on an airplane and sucking on those overhead air vents up there by the attendant call and light switches. That's what the hits are like. They dry out your mouth and give no real flavor other than a flat metallic ugh. Nasty, but not acrid, "omg Jesus call the fire department" nasty.

 

[Keyn]

Just trying to explore all the options here. habit from working in a vape shop lol. I have had these questions come at me all day for days on end.

Too bad you don't run a shop around here! I appreciate your dealing with the inanity.

 

[LarryYo]

then that is an issue with the juice, or your coils just aren't broken in all the way and you are still getting a metallic taste. i know when i throw a fresh build in either my subtank or TFV4 the first tank always has that metallic taste in it until the build settles in.

 

[Keyn]

then that is an issue with the juice, or your coils just aren't broken in all the way and you are still getting a metallic taste. i know when i throw a fresh build in either my subtank or TFV4 the first tank always has that metallic taste in it until the build settles in.

See, I thought all that was supposed to go away after firing the coil a few times before wicking. Like I said, the other liquids came out super 'juicy' and flavorful.

Now, after you said it could be the juice, I started to question why the vendor threw in a free 50ml bottle of RY4...hmm. Maybe I'm not totally inept, just a standard news and it is the juice which is so bad the vendor is LITERALLY just giving it away. Or I'm a fool and the vendor is just awesome.

 

[Keyn]

UPDATE:

First, MASSIVE THANKS to Sir2fyablyNutz, stormjib, LarryYo, and haleysdadda (good lookin' kid you've got there btw, congrats)!

My mini is back to vaping like it did out of the box. I think the issue was two-fold. One, My wicking skills aren't those of you master rebuilders wielding those insane lightsaber looking RDA mods! Also, the juice I was using just sucks...period. It's really subjective, but that one is a HELL NO in my book.

The wick: Maybe you all have seen this done, maybe I invented something new (I highly doubt that). So, I began wicking as one normally would, EXCEPT, once I had those uncut, silly bunny ears going through the coil, I drew those ears through the juice holes. Once through the holes, I trimmed the wick flush to the holes. Assuming wicking is more effective with a short, direct path, I made the path about as direct as it can be (without just drowning it). The RBA now looks like it ought to, except there is VERY little cotton inside. The juice holes are still covered, but the cotton fibers are running directly to the coil instead of being fluffed and running every which way. It's wicking and vaping like a beaut and it's NOT flooding!

I really have you guys to thank for the inspiration and keeping me on the path to working out my issues. If it hadn't been for you, I would have put the kit up on the shelf and went back to analogs for good (which I quit today...again).

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[stormjib]

way to go! thanks for the update, imo that's what makes vaping so cool, vapers helping vapers vape

 

[Keyn]

way to go! thanks for the update, imo that's what makes vaping so cool, vapers helping vapers vape

And I think it's important for those that ask for help to follow through. It can make helpful folks jaded when you spend time trying to help, and never get a response or anything.