Kanger Rocket Science

[David Wolf]

Well, I am a chain vaper with normal nic juice. So it's good to know I probably need to stay closer to 50 vg and lower until I can ween off the WTA. When I use non WTA, I vape like it was a respirator and I still don't even kind of get what my brain is craving. Fortunately the WTA I got is like 30 vg and performed perfectly.

So here's an oddity. I opened up the rda and the wick is fully saturated and in contact with the coil all around. Still tastes very dry and flat with a very small amount of a kind of grey 'vapor' (instead of the normal white). I don't get how it can be 'dry hitting' if it's actually wet. 100% vg, so it should be at least kinda sweet.

Utterly dumbfounded.

The 1.5 ohm horizontal coils I bought are totally unvapable. Taste like hot Kanthal fumes sputter and spit even with a fully saturated wick. The 1.2 ohm vertical coils have great flavor and performance except that the second day vaping I get leaks out the airholes (and no everyone it's not orings or seals), the wicking is to saturated with my 70pg/30vg thinner NET juice. Same leakage with the RBA with those huge wick holes on the V2. Maybe ok for VG high juice but for me back to my nautilus mini's and kayfun lite V2. The subtank mini sits in disgrace on the counter.

 

[Keyn]

The 1.5 ohm horizontal coils I bought are totally unvapable. Taste like hot Kanthal fumes sputter and spit even with a fully saturated wick. The 1.2 ohm vertical coils have great flavor and performance except that the second day vaping I get leaks out the airholes (and no everyone it's not orings or seals), the wicking is to saturated with my 70pg/30vg thinner NET juice. Same leakage with the RBA with those huge wick holes on the V2. Maybe ok for VG high juice but for me back to my nautilus mini's and kayfun lite V2. The subtank mini sits in disgrace on the counter.

Mr. Wolf (I just had to use that), thanks for sharing your experiences. It gives me some things to consider. If you see my update post, you'll see I got things worked out. My new wicking method has really helped.

One of the issues with the RBA is that Kanger increased the size of those juice holes to accommodate vg. They seem too large for pg. I am currently vaping a 70pg juice right now, and I haven't had any issues with flooding this go round. If you ever decide to take the mini subtank back off the shelf, check out the wicking method I used to bring mine back to life. As a disclaimer, I don't know how well my wick would work with vg.

 

[David Wolf]

Mr. Wolf (I just had to use that), thanks for sharing your experiences. It gives me some things to consider. If you see my update post, you'll see I got things worked out. My new wicking method has really helped.

One of the issues with the RBA is that Kanger increased the size of those juice holes to accommodate vg. They seem too large for pg. I am currently vaping a 70pg juice right now, and I haven't had any issues with flooding this go round. If you ever decide to take the mini subtank back off the shelf, check out the wicking method I used to bring mine back to life. As a disclaimer, I don't know how well my wick would work with vg.

I do plan to try wicking the subtank mini RBA V2 just as you did, straight out those huge wick holes, someone else suggested that to me as well, when I get time. To see if that stops the leakage out the air holes. Let me know how it does in a few days. Mine never leaked the first day, only the second day. Some said the kayfun v2 was good once you learned to wick it right, well my first builds worked perfectly, smooth draw. Never a leak. Reason is the really small juice slots, so my thinner 70pg/30vg juice works well with that design. Thanks for letting me know about your success!

 

[VNeil]

If you are going to push into high VG juice, stop swimming upstream. Get an RDA and drift downstream. Much easier when you use the right tool for the job.

 

[Keyn]

If you are going to push into high VG juice, stop swimming upstream. Get an RDA and drift downstream. Much easier when you use the right tool for the job.

You're not wrong. It is so tough to wick vg, it really is nuts. What's funny, is I converted my subtank mini RBA into an RDA!!! Just for kicks. All I did was not put juice in the tank, instead after wick was fully saturated, I just kept wetness level up by dripping onto the coil. With the tank empty, I only partially twist the tank on over the RBA. Quick on and off for easy dripping.

BUT now I have another issue. The coil is putting off a burnt taste. Everything is staying wet it seems, but the juiced wick inside the coil looks really dark, and there's buildup on the coil.

 

[Tmb821]

Time to clean your coil then. If it's gunked up, no amount of fiddling will help until you get all the nasty crud off the coil and put in a new wick.

 

[Keyn]

Time to clean your coil then. If it's gunked up, no amount of fiddling will help until you get all the nasty crud off the coil and put in a new wick.

Thanks for the tip. What would you say to the coil being 'gunked' (that is, mildly burnt taste) no more than 5 minutes after rewicking...every time? Here's what I think happened: Wick was too dense to draw liquid into the coil. Inside the coil, liquid was scorching (the wick is totally unharmed btw). There's definitely a goldilocks amount of wicking to achieve. Other variables to consider are the absorption rate of the wick and the viscosity of the liquid as well as the ingredients in the liquid/wick (simple sugars will burn/caramelize really easily). So I conducted a little, totally unscientific experiment. I placed a drop of 100% VG (no flavors, colors, etc.) onto pieces of Japanese OC, Some wispy organic cotton ball thing (given me by another vaper), and a bit of dental gauze (daughter had an extra tooth extracted [no, really]). Materials were approximately the same size and thickness. Observations made when the drops first touched their respective materials, and again an hour later. Results are as follows:

Wispy ball cotton: Never fully absorbed. Surface tension was broken at the bottom of the drop, but it never spread.

Japanese organic: Absorbed in relatively short order, about 10 seconds. Final diameter of spread about twice the size of original drop.

Dental gauze: Near instantaneous total absorption. Spread after 1 hour was so great, the gauze appeared to have never had the drop of VG.

I am quitting smoking, so even with 24mg WTA unmixed, I'm chain vaping. For me, the Japanese worked alright (better than the cotton ball/bail) but I still had issues. Guess what's in my coil now, and hasn't scorched? Since I'm chain vaping, I NEED the wick to truck the juice in. I don't have time to wait. I need the wick to wick quick! It makes since to me that the gauze works so well, it's used for wicking blood, plasma, etc. What surprised me is how quickly the gauze lets it vaporize. It's also super easy to wick up a coil with it. I'll chime in about longevity after it's kicked the bucket.

 

[haleysdadda]

Thanks for the tip. What would you say to the coil being 'gunked' (that is, mildly burnt taste) no more than 5 minutes after rewicking...every time? Here's what I think happened: Wick was too dense to draw liquid into the coil. Inside the coil, liquid was scorching (the wick is totally unharmed btw). There's definitely a goldilocks amount of wicking to achieve. Other variables to consider are the absorption rate of the wick and the viscosity of the liquid as well as the ingredients in the liquid/wick (simple sugars will burn/caramelize really easily). So I conducted a little, totally unscientific experiment. I placed a drop of 100% VG (no flavors, colors, etc.) onto pieces of Japanese OC, Some wispy organic cotton ball thing (given me by another vaper), and a bit of dental gauze (daughter had an extra tooth extracted [no, really]). Materials were approximately the same size and thickness. Observations made when the drops first touched their respective materials, and again an hour later. Results are as follows:

Wispy ball cotton: Never fully absorbed. Surface tension was broken at the bottom of the drop, but it never spread.

Japanese organic: Absorbed in relatively short order, about 10 seconds. Final diameter of spread about twice the size of original drop.

Dental gauze: Near instantaneous total absorption. Spread after 1 hour was so great, the gauze appeared to have never had the drop of VG.

I am quitting smoking, so even with 24mg WTA unmixed, I'm chain vaping. For me, the Japanese worked alright (better than the cotton ball/bail) but I still had issues. Guess what's in my coil now, and hasn't scorched? Since I'm chain vaping, I NEED the wick to truck the juice in. I don't have time to wait. I need the wick to wick quick! It makes since to me that the gauze works so well, it's used for wicking blood, plasma, etc. What surprised me is how quickly the gauze lets it vaporize. It's also super easy to wick up a coil with it. I'll chime in about longevity after it's kicked the bucket.

Sounds to me like you're over working your rig. If you're not getting enough nic on the Kanger on a 24mg then you might might want to step up to something in a dual coil rda. If you need a tank you might look at the Mutation X MT RTA. HUGE wicking, great deck, superb air flow, & top fill! Cloud chaser/ flavor chaser dream. I think I'm gonna marry mine!

 

[Tmb821]

I know that I run. 1.5mg nic level. On my droppers I can get a helluva buzz within a couple toots.

 

[stormjib]

sounds to me like you might want to up your wattage, that helps your ejuice burn more cleanly, although I suspect that with 24 mg you're going to get dirty coils pretty fast

 

[Keyn]

Great input all around fellas.

The chain vaping comes from the fact that vapor simply doesn't deliver nicotine et al as quickly as smoke. Delivery speed factors heavily into addiction, so I think I'm chuffing away trying to get the instant gratification I did with analogs.

I was a hardcore smoker. I smoked 100's and in about 2min/8 drags (I recorded this info to help with quitting via vaping). I never owned an ashtray, so I never put them down once lit. I also never did the mouth-lung thing, all lung. I used to smoke the way you vape, long steady pulls. Smoking was VERY efficient for me.

 

[haleysdadda]

Great input all around fellas.

The chain vaping comes from the fact that vapor simply doesn't deliver nicotine et al as quickly as smoke. Delivery speed factors heavily into addiction, so I think I'm chuffing away trying to get the instant gratification I did with analogs.

I was a hardcore smoker. I smoked 100's and in about 2min/8 drags (I recorded this info to help with quitting via vaping). I never owned an ashtray, so I never put them down once lit. I also never did the mouth-lung thing, all lung. I used to smoke the way you vape, long steady pulls. Smoking was VERY efficient for me.

Once again I think you need to move way up to be able to chase that kind of high if you ever can. For me this is about reducing my nic intake. I think your needs might require you to find even a higher nic level and with all that nic comes coil and cotton abuse. Try new atty's first! The Kanger is a great tank for tootle puffing and flavor chasing just not very good at producing the saturated clouds you seem to be looking for!