Kanger Subtank Mini clear insulator melted to my RBA!

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Is the vape still good using 1.2 or 1.4 ohm coils? My mod is a Provari P3 and will fire a .7 ohm, but I'm use to the kayfun at 1.4
Small chamber, haven't tested the 1.2ohm OCC head but with 0.5ohm head it gives nice warm vape with lots of flavor. I probably won't try any builds over 0.8ohms on the RBA head as I only have mech mods at the moment so I have no use for 1.2 ohm coils due to the nature of mech mods :)
 

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The place of purchase is not the the people who are responsible for manufacturing the product. They dont make much of a profit off their sales, and they did not design the product.If the product is defective within 48 hour from no user error, I dont think its pertinent to hold the dealer of the product responsible for the manufactures inconsistencies
 

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The place of purchase is not the the people who are responsible for manufacturing the product. They dont make much of a profit off their sales, and they did not design the product.If the product is defective within 48 hour from no user error, I dont think its pertinent to hold the dealer of the product responsible for the manufactures inconsistencies
They are responsible for replacing a defective product within a reasonable amount of time. That is the cost of doing business.
 

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I have 2 ST mini's, both with the clear insulators. I was using the OCC heads the first couple weeks since they worked so well, but the last few days I have gone back to the RBA's to see if the insulators would hold up. I have been using a VERY citrusy lemonade in both tanks and after 8 or so refills each, I have had no problems. One coil is at .5Ω and the other is 1.0Ω with the mods set from 25 to 30 watts.

I think what drunkenbatman said in one of these threads is true, the clear insulators were a short term "quick fix" for the white ones, nothing is wrong with them, but they were not likely the most cost effective, just an upgraded PEEK version Kanger could get quickly. The tan is the simply the long term resolution.
 

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Not everyone has had their clear insulator fail, that much is definitely true. On the other hand, there are numerous reports of people having them fail on them (myself included). Maybe a batch got through that was bad or something, I dont know, but the fact is not all of the clear insulators held up for everyone. If you look at the tan insulator, they changed its design slightly, and also added an extra insulator to the air hole screw. The RBA itself also seems to have been modified slightly as well. So, I think they were still sorting the actual design itself out. If the brown peek was cheaper they would have used it from the start.
 

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I skimmed through this thread and I guess my first question would be. If the item was defected why didn't you return it to your place of purchase? Being online or at a local shop? Dealers I've dealt with have satisfaction or return for refund. So, why didn't you just return it?

1. The OP did say that he did contact his retailer (see his initial post) but did not hear back.

2. I don't know what dealers you are dealing with, but I have never come across a dealer that gives satisfaction guarantees in this business, especially on tanks, clearos and coil heads, or anything else that is heated or is designed to touch your mouth. All these things are usually only 24-48 hour DOA warranties and I have seen many that state no warranty at all, which means satisfaction has no bearing on anything. I have come across retailers online who say they offer satisfaction guarantees, but they also usually have high restocking fees, prices about 3 times higher than the plethora of discount retailers most of us buy from, and I have no idea if they actually honor any guarantees anyhow. Talk/type is cheap ;).

None of the local B&M vape shops in my area would ever let a customer return a tank for any reason. Heck, not even batteries. and they charge hefty prices for the most part. Not sayin' it's right or wrong, just sayin'. Hell, my local B&Ms wont even let you touch the product (like a mod or APV) before you buy it. No joke.

They are responsible for replacing a defective product within a reasonable amount of time. That is the cost of doing business.

If you knew what volume most small business retailers (not just vape) have to sell just to break even, and if you tried it yourself, you'd change your mind in a heartbeat.

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At any rate, as far as I'm concerned, there are a few things we can learn from this thread and all the problems we have seen in the last month or 2 alone with QC from e-cig MFGs in China...

1. Don't expect QC to get any better. It's obvious not a big priority.

2. Don't buy anything unless it has been on the market for at least 2 months and buy only from high volume retailers in order to increase your chances that you are buying the latest and "fixed' versions of whatever fad product is out.

3. Don't expect Chinese vape MFGs to honor any warranties. They simply are not interested most of the time, it takes a lot of time, and it isn't worth it for them, especially since they know you love their stuff anyway, they know you are hooked, and they know you will buy the next big product they release, even if you tell them you will never buy their brand again.

4. (something not evident from this thread but something you all should know) To increase your chances of getting service from a MFG, never buy any e-cig product from anyone unless know for a fact they buy their stock directly from the manufacturer (aka authorized reseller). If you buy your stuff from a retailer that buys their stock from a wholesale distributor (a middleman) and if you buy from a marketplace like Amazon or eBay, MFGs will not honor any warranties. This is a fact and you can email all the major MFGs out there and they will confirm this (send them an email and pretend you are a potential retailer looking to buy wholesale from them). They claim this is because they can't know for sure that you have a clone or not, but it's merely another obstacle they create so they decrease the amount of warranties they have to service. So be careful who and where you buy from if you are the type who demands service after the sale. Your best bet is to find a US based (for those of us in the US) retailer who charges high markups and warranties their own sales. I don't know of any, but I'm sure there are some out there. Remember, service and warranties come at a premium. You can't expect to buy a subtank mini for $39 or less and get service too. It just ain't happening. If you want action and service, that tank would have to be marked up to at least $65-75 to justify service and warranty claims as most warranty claims are bogus anyway. But they still waste time which is money.

5. Learning to enjoy a vape at lower temps might also cure a lot of problems. Not sayin', just sayin.

Not griping about any of this, just stating some facts for y'all. The underlying theme in this industry tends to be "buy and use at your own risk". Just remember that when next week's new sub-sub-sub-ohm tank or 100000000000 Megawatt mini mod is released.
 
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Thank you for your email. We apologize for the inconvenience the product has caused you, but appreciate your dedication to genuine KangerTech products. KangerTech HQ in China has just developed new insulators with upgraded material. We have put in an order for the replacement insulators. You should expect to receive them soon. Enjoy!

Please be informed that the Mini RBA insulator is already upgraded; both transparent and light brown insulators have the same function. Kangertech US Service Center is only authorized to send the SUBTANK RBA insulator free of charge. (This is an email I received from Kanger yesterday after I requested replacement peek insulators for my Subtank 25mm (white insulator) and Mini (clear insulator).
 
The place of purchase is not the the people who are responsible for manufacturing the product. They dont make much of a profit off their sales, and they did not design the product.If the product is defective within 48 hour from no user error, I dont think its pertinent to hold the dealer of the product responsible for the manufactures inconsistencies

You must not understand how a reseller business works. The Dealer is completely responsible for the items they sell and I know any B&M around me would have replaced it for you or gave you at least full store credit. I understand you are ...... off and I have wrote many angry emails to companies, but unless you ordered it directly from the manufacturer, the reseller made the final sale. Any assistance with a dysfunctional product falls on them.
 

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4. (something not evident from this thread but something you all should know) To increase your chances of getting service from a MFG, never buy any e-cig product from anyone unless know for a fact they buy their stock directly from the manufacturer (aka authorized reseller). If you buy your stuff from a retailer that buys their stock from a wholesale distributor (a middleman) and if you buy from a marketplace like Amazon or eBay, MFGs will not honor any warranties. This is a fact and you can email all the major MFGs out there and they will confirm this (send them an email and pretend you are a potential retailer looking to buy wholesale from them). They claim this is because they can't know for sure that you have a clone or not, but it's merely another obstacle they create so they decrease the amount of warranties they have to service. So be careful who and where you buy from if you are the type who demands service after the sale. Your best bet is to find a US based (for those of us in the US) retailer who charges high markups and warranties their own sales. I don't know of any, but I'm sure there are some out there. Remember, service and warranties come at a premium. You can't expect to buy a subtank mini for $39 or less and get service too. It just ain't happening. If you want action and service, that tank would have to be marked up to at least $65-75 to justify service and warranty claims as most warranty claims are bogus anyway. But they still waste time which is money.

CXM,

Great summary but a couple quick points;

Kanger and many others are now including "authenticity proofs" on the package to combat this problem. They don't even ask where you bought their product, much less whether they were an "authorized dealer" or not. They just asked for my authenticity code and address to ship the replacement part, albeit this was for an issue they were well aware of. So they do appear to be trying to break out of the mold you described.

Additionally, I don't see how anyone could profit making a clone of the Subtanks? They're already at the price of a clone; an amazing value at the 39 dollars that I paid, even with the hassle of having to replace an insulator. And this does seem to ba a trend; I'm looking at the "Goblin" right now which is the same price point.

So maybe we don't have to pay a "premium" to an "authorized dealer" anymore just to be assured that the product we're buying is "as advertised". Maybe Kanger and a few others are breaking that mold and giving the Mom & Pop stores half a chance.

Authenticity codes + Alibaba - authorized dealers = record breaking sales; hmmm, maybe the Chinese have something there? Although it's definitely Not good for the old USofA, kind of scary in fact.

In the end though it's as you say, their QA/QC is John Q. Public; crank em out by the millions and let us find the problems for them.

As you said, best to wait a while until the bugs are worked out; "it is what it is".

ErnieKim
 
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Just checking in with my experience. I have 2 sub tank minis. One with a clear insulator, the other is the brown. So far the clear insulator has held up for the 24 hours, 1.2 ohm build w/ 30 gauge with a custard juice. My first sub tank - which came with the brown insulator , i started getting a nasty flavor after one tank load. 0.5 build 26 gauge, same juice. Did several rebuilds, rewicks, cleanings and the bad flavor prevailed. I ran all my builds between 9-15 watts max. I've contacted Kanger, no response yet.
 
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Just checking in with my experience. I have 2 sub tank minis. One with a clear insulator, the other is the brown. So far the clear insulator has held up for the 24 hours, 1.2 ohm build w/ 30 gauge with a custard juice. My first sub tank - which came with the brown insulator , i started getting a nasty flavor after one tank load. 0.5 build 26 gauge, same juice. Did several rebuilds, rewicks, cleanings and the bad flavor prevailed. I ran all my builds between 9-15 watts max. I've contacted Kanger, no response yet.

The bad flavor can be any number of things, the least likely of which would be the PEEK insulator. What are you hoping for from Kanger?
 
I just wanted to give you an update JC.... I bought a Kanger Subtank Mini from MyVaporStore.com on 02/09/15 and got it in on 02/11/15 and after reading your post and doing reaserch myself, the first thing i did was look at my RBA section and take the pin out the bottom too see which insulator it was.... My Insulator was indeed the new dark brown Blended Peak Insulator, with the extra insulator on the pin.... So for anyone who is worryed about buying the Kanger Subtank Mini from MyVaporStore.com... Please be rest assurd that as of 02/09/15 all of them are comming with the new Bleended Peek Insulators pre installed in the RBA Section
 

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I just wanted to give you an update JC.... I bought a Kanger Subtank Mini from MyVaporStore.com on 02/09/15 and got it in on 02/11/15 and after reading your post and doing reaserch myself, the first thing i did was look at my RBA section and take the pin out the bottom too see which insulator it was.... My Insulator was indeed the new dark brown Blended Peak Insulator, with the extra insulator on the pin.... So for anyone who is worryed about buying the Kanger Subtank Mini from MyVaporStore.com... Please be rest assurd that as of 02/09/15 all of them are comming with the new Bleended Peek Insulators pre installed in the RBA Section

Well, that's assuming they rotate their stock, of course.


The bad flavor can be any number of things, the least likely of which would be the PEEK insulator. What are you hoping for from Kanger?

LOL. The OP has pics of a melted insulator. "Least likely"?
 
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