His seems to be a pretty isolated case and probably due to some malfunction or user error. Others have been using the clear insulators, including me in both of my mini's, without issue. Even more are using the brown now and I haven't noticed an influx of complaints. You saw how fast the problem with the original white ones was discovered. His problem is most likely due to any of a dozen or so other things that can throw the taste off.
Kanger Subtank Mini clear insulator melted to my RBA!
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His seems to be a pretty isolated case and probably due to some malfunction or user error. Others have been using the clear insulators, including me in both of my mini's, without issue. Even more are using the brown now and I haven't noticed an influx of complaints. You saw how fast the problem with the original white ones was discovered. His problem is most likely due to any of a dozen or so other things that can throw the taste off.
From my perspective I think there is a problem with at least some clear insulators on the mini. I disassembled my build deck and found discoloration and cracking on my clear insulator also. I never noticed a flavor issue and didn't see any signs of melting so I didn't see a melt down issue like was reported by another member. But the cracking was significant enough that I won't put it back together with that insulator. I only vaped at 15watts with the premade RTA coil, so I don't think I abused the insulator in any way. But it is clearly degraded.
I did an email exchange with Kanger regarding purchasing a new insulator, I didn't ask for a free replacement I just wanted to get a new insulator and don't mind paying a few bucks. Just not a big deal to me really. I was informed they don't have any for sale but would get some in the future. So until Kangerus gets some in stock I will need to just use the pre-build coils.
Fortunately, it is still a great vape with the pre-builds, so it's not like I can't enjoy the tank... which I do. But I would like to get an insulator to play around with the build deck a bit more, which I found gave an excellent vape.
Just judging by my experience, I think there was a reason Kanger changed to the light brown material and I can understand if they had some kind of issue and aren't advertising it. If I were Kanger I wouldn't either and just move on to a better material and call it a day. This tank with a replaceable build component is a pretty new innovation and I think it's OK to sort through a few teething pains. I'm patient and can wait a bit without howling at the moon for the new insulators to arrive. I just wanted to share my experience with the clear insulator without the histrionics. I'm sure this will get sorted quickly and make the mini better for everyone as a result.
I did an email exchange with Kanger regarding purchasing a new insulator, I didn't ask for a free replacement I just wanted to get a new insulator and don't mind paying a few bucks. Just not a big deal to me really. I was informed they don't have any for sale but would get some in the future. So until Kangerus gets some in stock I will need to just use the pre-build coils.
Fortunately, it is still a great vape with the pre-builds, so it's not like I can't enjoy the tank... which I do. But I would like to get an insulator to play around with the build deck a bit more, which I found gave an excellent vape.
Just judging by my experience, I think there was a reason Kanger changed to the light brown material and I can understand if they had some kind of issue and aren't advertising it. If I were Kanger I wouldn't either and just move on to a better material and call it a day. This tank with a replaceable build component is a pretty new innovation and I think it's OK to sort through a few teething pains. I'm patient and can wait a bit without howling at the moon for the new insulators to arrive. I just wanted to share my experience with the clear insulator without the histrionics. I'm sure this will get sorted quickly and make the mini better for everyone as a result.
I know this thread is for the mini and not the regular Subtank. Bust wanted to report what I jsut found out. Kanger has discontinued the regular subtank and is soon releasing the "Subtank Super". Not sure how it differs from the original version, but some say it is merely a change of the insulator. LOL. The folks at Kanger really know how to turn a mess-up around. Just discontinue it, call it something extravagant and cause another buying frenzy. What a ploy. I think I'm done with Kanger products. Every time I see how they operate, I feel like I'm being played.
im of a different opinion
cant wait to see the super tank as i go through juice like crazy on the mini, im glad they keep on improving.
its not like these cost hundreds of dollars, and for the cost of a few packs of cigs which i burned in a couple of days i can buy the super.
from what the competition has to offer at "this point in time" im buying another subtank............next few months who knows what company will have to offer, things are happening/changing at a very fast rate
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I have a feeling that the new Subtank will incorporate the design changes made in the mini and will include a new build deck with a larger airflow hole (hence the second insulator in the insulator kit that doesn't currently fit any Subtank product), the build deck will not require a different top cap like the mini design, more open AFC design like the widest open slot of the mini, and different o-ring design like the mini for better glass tank retension. And maybe some mystery changes that haven't been seen yet.
I think Kanger did a great job with addressing concerns with the big Subtank when the mini was released and as a result I think the mini was a better product overall. I can certainly see that Kanger would incorporate these positive changes in the new Subtank also. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a 22 or 23mm design that was a bit taller for more juice capacity than the mini since the 25mm size was not widely accepted as a good tank size. Of course this is all speculation on my part and I don't have any inside knowledge... just guesses. But especially the build deck airflow makes sense since the new mystery insulator kind of gives a clue in that direction.
We'll just have to wait and see what surprises Kanger has in store for us, but I'm sure it will be a step forward whatever they decide to do.
I think you misunderstood what the "word" is on the street about the "Subtank Super". It isn't going to be a different tank or a larger tank. It's most likley going to be the same tank with the correct insulators installed. Some speculate that they may have redesigned it to not have the screws at the top of the tank to tear it town. But that is just a rumor. But my point is, kanger does this all the time. They rush a product to market with a flaw (and they know it because the redesign is already in production which is evident by ho wfast the redesigned product makes it to market after the first release). Then, after a couple of rollouts, they release the "improved version" and then rename the product to make the market think it is new, when actually, it's just the final version. In other words, they release "pre-market" products to the public, then they immediately release the final product under a new name once the kinks are smoothed out. This is kanger tradition. Just look at their coil heads (not the OCC, all the clearomizer heads) and you can see what a messy confusion they created among both consumers and resellers as to which coil heads work with which tanks. Much of this confusion came about from all this "improving" that should have been done before market release. Then they go and rename things and that adds to the confusion. Go look at 5 different retail sites and even Kanger's own sites, and you will not get a clear answer as to what coil head will or won't fit whatever Kanger clearomizer you have, especially if it is an older model and especially if you're new or kinda new to the Kanger game.
This is the Kanger way and I for one have pretty much been turned off by them at this point.
Just sayin'.
@Jazzman: The 25mm design was made in order to look nice on their new APV box mod, the K-Box, which is 25mm at the 510.
This is the Kanger way and I for one have pretty much been turned off by them at this point.
Just sayin'.
@Jazzman: The 25mm design was made in order to look nice on their new APV box mod, the K-Box, which is 25mm at the 510.
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@CMX322- Well at least you know how Kanger operates and know that for you waiting for a later revision will be the best course action so you aren't duped into buying a product until the 2nd or 3rd version and it meets your level of satisfaction. For some of us it's no big deal and when I find a product that looks interesting and innovative I might just make the purchase even knowing something better will come out later. I guess I take the approach that I'm OK with a company coming out with a product and based on users reviews quickly addressing any perceived issues with a better design. Just different approaches to purchasing really, neither one really right or wrong. I just don't see it as an issue either way.
As far as the 25mm tank size being meant for the KBox? Maybe that's true, although I really don't think the KBox is going to be a huge success without a digital display. I'm sure Kanger will sell quite a few, but I don't think it will take the market by storm and I don't think designing a tank just for that box makes the best sense. But I do think the 25mm size hasn't been the most successful decision Kanger has made for the broader market. But we'll see how that plays out. Maybe the KBox will be a resounding success and the 25mm tank will fly off the shelves as a result.
As far as the 25mm tank size being meant for the KBox? Maybe that's true, although I really don't think the KBox is going to be a huge success without a digital display. I'm sure Kanger will sell quite a few, but I don't think it will take the market by storm and I don't think designing a tank just for that box makes the best sense. But I do think the 25mm size hasn't been the most successful decision Kanger has made for the broader market. But we'll see how that plays out. Maybe the KBox will be a resounding success and the 25mm tank will fly off the shelves as a result.
Before the 25mm came out, I was saying it was good for me because the capacity is convenient. It is. I don't like having to change the top to use the rba... have to empty it completely, pain in the ..... So I agree with all the negatives.
However, the white, supposedly bad, insulator in that 25mm rba is still going strong for me but I don't vape gasoline or moonshine either.
I would take the new insulator if they could be had in Canada...no rush but I will take it. I use the rba a lot.
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Since this thread is about the mini... Jazzman, would you be so kind as to post a pic of the clear insulator issue on your mini you described?
However, the white, supposedly bad, insulator in that 25mm rba is still going strong for me but I don't vape gasoline or moonshine either.
I would take the new insulator if they could be had in Canada...no rush but I will take it. I use the rba a lot.
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Since this thread is about the mini... Jazzman, would you be so kind as to post a pic of the clear insulator issue on your mini you described?
I totally agree with you on that. When I first looked into it, I scratched my head wondering what they were thinking when they came up with the KBox. But don't worry about the display. 3 weeks after the KBox is released (sometime in March, I think), they will release the KBox Illumina, equippped with the display that original should have had...lol
my bad, thought it was clear, bad eyes, took it apart looks tan in color, bought it jan 27
So after a week with my 2 sub tanks 1 clear insulator 1 brown insulator, haven't had further issues beside one instance of bad flavor. The insulators have both held up. Probably just a bad build on my part
Just wanted to report, I received the updated brown insulators from kanger today (no replacement RBA, but its ok. After a lot of effort I was able to completely remove the remains of the melted insulator and install the new one). My RBA section is working great again! No issues whatsoever. I am happy, though I also received my UD Goblin V1.2 today and its amazing! Easily my favorite tank by far, but the Subtank Mini is definitely pulling its weight as well.
I am wondering if this is what started to happen with one of the stock coils I used with it. It has a clear insulator on it as well and I checked the RBA. Same thing. I have heard from others to lower the wattage. Might have to drop to 20 or below. *sigh* I thought maybe it was burnt wick but the wick looks fine. I am about to try the other stock coil that came with it and going to run it lower then 25 watts. The coils I ordered also only have the clear insulators. BTW I got mine the same place as you. My order came in sat. lol. Next time I might get my coils from somewhere else. I will say this though. I can't see anything melted though on that first stock coil though. I haven't used the RBA yet. Haven't really learned how to rebuild a coil or anything. Which is why I am using stock coils. Man that first couple days though it hit like a dream.
Well is it possible they have some sort of insulator itself in them too. If so, then perhaps their prone to melting too. All I know is I got that burnt taste now stuck in my tank. Switching coils did nothing to solve the problem. I am currently attempting to get that top piece off my tank so I can try switching it out for my other tank that came with it. Just to see if that makes a difference.
Somebody with more knowledge will have to chime in on this question.
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