KangerTech SUBTANK Mini

[Darryl Licht]

I did a lil slight trimming then tucked in when wet with a toothpick, then affixed the top.

I too had to stretch just a lil to get it to freely go back and forth a bit.

Here's the rest of the photos I promised:

Loving "The Hatter" from The vaping Rabbit (rich creamy flan) --- 0.7 ohm @ 20W in this with my iced coffee... yummy! Nice dense vapor, full of flavor!

G'nite!

 

[jimbob200521]

Looks good. I vaped my TLP with those slightly shifted coils too. It did pretty well.

Thanks! I'm still relatively new to all this (only been vapeing about 8 months or so so I learn something new with every build.

Curiosity is getting to me...

RE: jimbobs coils--- If I use the SE calc with the above settings. it says for .4ohms 7 wraps and a whopping 5.8mm width! Is this an anomaly? Is there that much difference between parallel and twisted?

Honestly, I couldn't tell you. My current math with coil building says try it and if it works, vape it!! haha It took me a couple coils worth of experimenting to get this build right. My first couple were wrapped around other sized bits and using different gauge wire until I got this one right. For some reason, the coils kept wanting to come out to .3 and unfortunately (for now) my battery will only do .4. Been eyeing a bit more powerful rig, though hehe

I'm mebe thinkin', ya might have got some helpful hands there jimbo. You bein' new and all.

If not jeeps, missed your post givin' credit to good ol' cig and didn't even check the numbers, sorry…
but, that's a 6over6-wrap parallel, not 5.

26AWG, 6/6, TLP, 1.984375mm i.d., t.m.c.(?)= 0.4243Ω

Just sayin'. Nice coil there jimbo.

Good luck.



p.s. Welcome jimbo!

Ahh good catch! For some reason when I counted wraps, I came up with 5. As far as help, my only hand was reading a few posts in this thread and thinking "Hmm, that sounds interesting, I'll give that a shot!". Otherwise, I just grabbed some wire and built baby built. Coil building seem to me to be a very simple thing to do. My hands aren't exactly inexperienced when it comes to working with them. Used to be a PC tech and am now in my off time working on garden tractors (believe it or not, dexterity helps a lot in small places on them) and also work in Maintenance for a living.

Anywho, some of the posts I read about a parallel coil were yours so thanks for the info on this coil!

Cheers guys!

 

[cigatron]

Just wanted to say, I've never seen this many peeps signing up for tension winding so quickly. The benefits are there as all who have tried it have found but most are reluctant to try. Sloppy hand winds, butressed by RTrippers-like vids, have been a seemingly insurmountable obstical to overcome on these threads. Happy to see so many joining the tension team. Lets pay it forward folks...if you have the time.......and thanks Mac, for bringing it into our vaping world.

Cig

 

[Joey Blue]

I filled my tank this morning right below the chimney and put in my rebuild deck and found it had leaked down the chimney into the mouth piece. You cannot really fill as much as when you are using the stock coils. You learn things the hard way, don't you.

For my morning vape however i had the Kanger tank off for filling so i used my Atlantis to wake up with. It just runs much cooler at higher watts. I use the same 3 mg nic juice in both tanks. I just need more vaping in the morning when i wake up.

Joey
PS. EDIT: I put in a freshly charged battery and got dry hits immediately @ 16.5w ... Damn ! I used it yesterday and had no trouble.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Just wanted to say, I've never seen this many peeps signing up for tension winding so quickly. The benefits are there as all who have tried it have found but most are reluctant to try. Sloppy hand winds, butressed by RTrippers-like vids, have been a seemingly insurmountable obstical to overcome on these threads. Happy to see so many joining the tension team. Lets pay it forward folks...if you have the time.......and thanks Mac, for bringing it into our vaping world.

Cig

LOL, yeah I like a challenge!

As for RT... too spastic for my liking!

... and YES, thanks Mac!

 

[Darryl Licht]

I filled my tank this morning right below the chimney and put in my rebuild deck and found it had leaked down the chimney into the mouth piece. You cannot really fill as much as when you are using the stock coils. You learn things the hard way, don't you.

For my morning vape however i had the Kanger tank off for filling so i used my Atlantis to wake up with. It just runs much cooler at higher watts. I use the same 3 mg nic juice in both tanks. I just need more vaping in the morning when i wake up.

Joey
PS. EDIT: I put in a freshly charged battery and got dry hits immediately @ 16.5w ... Damn ! I used it yesterday and had no trouble.

Joey:

Did you check/change/clean/rinse your wick and coil? Is this the same flav eliquid as before or did you change flavor?

I always try to leave some room for air and thus vacuum to pull juice into the tank

 

[MacTechVpr]

Well this morning I've realized I failed to follow my own advice and didn't stock up on spares in the first round. As usual we'll have to wait a while no doubt deal with the slow boat for the second round to fill in.

Case in point, I never planned on doing a full-fledged long term assessment of these tanks but it's intriguing. So I got a few spare RBA's for the SubT as I have a few juices that can go long-term in a big tank with Nextel. I believed the smaller RBA would be attractive to the occasional rebuilder. Lo and behold! The Mini's the thing for you guys.

So any of you have a line on the Mini RBA post here or on Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

And you folks at Kanger get with your program…you should know better than us.

Thanks and good luck all.

 

[slavkov]

Guys i have a question about the rebuilding the stock coilheads.

Saw some vids. People are using only kantal instead of nores/res/nores wire.

In this case isn't there a possibility of melting the insulation of the pin?

 

[cigatron]

I filled my tank this morning right below the chimney and put in my rebuild deck and found it had leaked down the chimney into the mouth piece. You cannot really fill as much as when you are using the stock coils. You learn things the hard way, don't you.

For my morning vape however i had the Kanger tank off for filling so i used my Atlantis to wake up with. It just runs much cooler at higher watts. I use the same 3 mg nic juice in both tanks. I just need more vaping in the morning when i wake up.

Joey
PS. EDIT: I put in a freshly charged battery and got dry hits immediately @ 16.5w ... Damn ! I used it yesterday and had no trouble.

Joey, this may sound a little backwards but are your sure it's dryhitting and not flooding? The reason why I ask is because you said it happened first thing in the morning, you're vaping at low wattage 15-17w, your vape is hot and you've had probs with your throat and lungs hurting in the past. Those are classic flooding probs.

It's easy for new vapers to mistake those hot harsh hits for dry hits. Dry hits are almost always accompanied by burnt cotton taste.

If you are chunky wicking now, and we hope you are, try turning up the wattage just to see. Say 5w or so and take a few pulls there to clear the flooding. Keep moving up in wattage until all the harshness disappears and the flavor comes on. Vaping mine right now at 24.5w with 50/50 juice.

Hang in there Joey, we'll get you there.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Guys i have a question about the rebuilding the stock coilheads.

Saw some vids. People are using only kantal instead of nores/res/nores wire.

In this case isn't there a possibility of melting the insulation of the pin?

Afternoon slav. Think most are rebuilding on the RBA. I just asked elsewhere how folks are doing with the OCC insulators. So far I haven't heard of any problems. Kanthal is just fine. Try to pulse at low voltage, I'd say. Start <.3.5V.

Good luck.

 

[cigatron]

Afternoon slav. Think most are rebuilding on the RBA. I just asked elsewhere how folks are doing with the OCC insulators. So far I haven't heard of any problems. Kanthal is just fine. Try to pulse at low voltage, I'd say. Start <.3.5V.

Good luck.

I am, the insulators are splitting on me when running thicker than 28ga. wire. Can't subohm. The material is more sensitive to heat than the newest clear silicone provided with the PT coils as well. I have to be extra cautious when pulsing the coil to life and when dryburning. Those babies will melt right through and short out. But then again, I have troubles where others don't.... such is my life...lol

 

[Darryl Licht]

Well this morning I've realized I failed to follow my own advice and didn't stock up on spares in the first round. As usual we'll have to wait a while no doubt deal with the slow boat for the second round to fill in.

Case in point, I never planned on doing a full-fledged long term assessment of these tanks but it's intriguing. So I got a few spare RBA's for the SubT as I have a few juices that can go long-term in a big tank with Nextel. I believed the smaller RBA would be attractive to the occasional rebuilder. Lo and behold! The Mini's the thing for you guys.

So any of you have a line on the Mini RBA post here or on Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

And you folks at Kanger get with your program…you should know better than us.

Thanks and good luck all.

Where did you obtain the spare RBA assemblies???

 

[MacTechVpr]

I am, the insulators are splitting on me when running thicker than 28ga. wire. Can't subohm. The material is more sensitive to heat than the newest clear silicone provided with the PT coils as well. I have to be extra cautious when pulsing the coil to life and when dryburning. Those babies will melt right through and short out. But then again, I have troubles where others don't.... such is my life...lol

We'll I like folks havin' to pulse lower volts. That's a good thing. I think you'll see and like the result long term. It's all silicone you know. Least that's what the materials peep's tell me from samplings I've had eval'd. Can't say for the reddies but the latter seem similar in comp. Just want to see how the SubT putty variety's holding up for most. Any ideas if they have gone to another composition cig from what you see? Silicone scorches at like 575F so unless you get a hot leg you're not going to see any burnies.

Thx.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Where did you obtain the spare RBA assemblies???

Directly from Kanger D. But they're gone from all my sources.

Good luck.

Gotta run, catch y'all laters.

 

[Joey Blue]

Joey, this may sound a little backwards but are your sure it's dryhitting and not flooding? The reason why I ask is because you said it happened first thing in the morning, you're vaping at low wattage 15-17w, your vape is hot and you've had probs with your throat and lungs hurting in the past. Those are classic flooding probs.

It's easy for new vapers to mistake those hot harsh hits for dry hits. Dry hits are almost always accompanied by burnt cotton taste.

If you are chunky wicking now, and we hope you are, try turning up the wattage just to see. Say 5w or so and take a few pulls there to clear the flooding. Keep moving up in wattage until all the harshness disappears and the flavor comes on. Vaping mine right now at 24.5w with 50/50 juice.

Hang in there Joey, we'll get you there.

cigatron, I know for a fact it's dry hitting. I took it to my local vape shop and a guy who works there, who does his own builds and drips, tried it and said it was dry hitting. So i had a second opinion. He re-wicked my coil which has only been used for one day. We still got intermittent dry hits. I think the juice channels are just too small.

Joey

 

[AmandaD]

cigatron, I know for a fact it's dry hitting. I took it to my local vape shop and a guy who works there, who does his own builds and drips, tried it and said it was dry hitting. So i had a second opinion. He re-wicked my coil which has only been used for one day. We still got intermittent dry hits. I think the juice channels are just too small.

Joey

I had to file my juice channels out - it was dry hitting on every hit before! (I use 80% PG)

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

cigatron, I know for a fact it's dry hitting. I took it to my local vape shop and a guy who works there, who does his own builds and drips, tried it and said it was dry hitting. So i had a second opinion. He re-wicked my coil which has only been used for one day. We still got intermittent dry hits. I think the juice channels are just too small.

Joey

I kinda feel bad that you've had troubles with the STM....My only trouble was when I rewicked it and cut down on my cotton. I saw online someone say that the wick should have moderate tension as it's pulled through the coil. That was horrible advice for this system. My first wick was Perfect and it was very tight, i only removed it because it was losing flavor. my second,poorly wicked one was with the looser fitting wick and I was indeed getting dry hits. I rewicked yesterday and I used a big chunk of cotton. I had to pull and twist it to get it into the coil. It seemed like to much but it is just right. No dry hits at all @18 watts and I chain vape a bit. Of course all these units are a bit different from one another and some may have QC problems But before I permanently shelved the device I'd try the extremely fat wick approach...Again, sorry you've had such a time of it.- Dave

 

[cigatron]

cigatron, I know for a fact it's dry hitting. I took it to my local vape shop and a guy who works there, who does his own builds and drips, tried it and said it was dry hitting. So i had a second opinion. He re-wicked my coil which has only been used for one day. We still got intermittent dry hits. I think the juice channels are just too small.

Joey

I doubt the juice channels are so small that you can't vape at 17w without dryhits. Doesn't explain the intermittency either Joey. As for guys at vape shops being experts? Well, lets not go there....not say'n I am either.

So lets get some specs from ya. Tell us your build and what you're wicked with. What juice ratio. And a pic (top & side views) of those pesky juice channels so we can compare.

In the mean time try wicking it so heavy that you have to roll the cotton down some just to get it through the coil. If problem gets worse you were flooded, if it gets better you were underwicked and dry hitting.

Hope this helps. I feel for ya bro.

Edit: looks like David beat me to the chunky wick thing.
Also, take a pic of your build if you would Joey.

 

[AmandaD]

I doubt the juice channels are so small that you can't vape at 17w without dryhits. Doesn't explain the intermittency either Joey. As for guys at vape shops being experts? Well, lets not go there....not say'n I am either.

So lets get some specs from ya. Tell us your build and what you're wicked with. What juice ratio. And a pic (top & side views) of those pesky juice channels so we can compare.

In the mean time try wicking it so heavy that you have to roll the cotton down some just to get it through the coil. If problem gets worse you were flooded, if it gets better you were underwicked and dry hitting.

Hope this helps. I feel for ya bro.

Edit: looks like David beat me to the chunky wick thing.
Also, take a pic of your build if you would Joey.

I couldn't even vape mine at 7 watts with high PG juice, and I wicked every way I could think of! And recoiled. The only solution was to use a file to gently file out the channels. I got a second RBA, and that one works beautifully right out of the box.

I think there is an inconsistency in some of the RBA decks. Other people have had the same problem!

 

[freedogg]

Joey....I was having the same experience with my ST rba section. Intermittent dry hits, especially when airflow wide open and power high. When I did the build I thought the juice inlet/channels looked a bit on the small size and the dry hits confirmed this.

I took the rba section to the workshop and made the channels about 1.5x bigger with a dremel. You don't want to go crazy with the Dremel because the rba works on vacuum and if the channels are too large it's harder to create a vacuum (you have to suck too hard).

1.5x enlargement of my channels is absolutely perfect!! I've been through over 10 tanks of liquid and not 1 dry hit. This Mini now wicks as good if not better than any of my Kayfuns or Erlkonigins.

I highly recommend opening up those channels a bit! Good luck!

cigatron, I know for a fact it's dry hitting. I took it to my local vape shop and a guy who works there, who does his own builds and drips, tried it and said it was dry hitting. So i had a second opinion. He re-wicked my coil which has only been used for one day. We still got intermittent dry hits. I think the juice channels are just too small.

Joey