Kayfun LITE - Part 2

[Exchaner]

Call me odd if you like, but I am using an ego-one mod with my Kayfuns. It's 3mm thinner than a kayfun but they look fine together. It's much lighter and slimmer than those bulky cylindricals with a 22 mm diameter. The 1.5 mm overhang on each side does not look bad at all.

 

[AndriaD]

Haha...
I had a similar issue that eluded me for a bit, concerning your earlier post about mysterious drops of liquid.
The liquid was not coming from the AFC, it was glued in the wide open position with a generous amount of blue loc-tited. Fill screw had a good o-ring, nothing coming through the positive pin's insulator...
Turns out it was a drop of liquid coming out of the air hole, it slowly oozed down the side and puddled around the base, making me think it was a problem with the base... But it wasn't lol. Seems it always happened after dropping my device (wicking knocked out of place), or after I rewicked and primed the build with a little too much juice...
Not saying you have the same issue, but there's a chance. I don't know what to say about the color of the juice, other than it's sitting there getting oxidized at a fast pace causing the nicotine to darken.
I'd like to know what you conclude is happening...

Well, I have seen slight leakage from the airhole, especially when I first got it, and as you say, got a bit carried away priming a new wick -- but I read here somewhere about holding it so the airhole is higher than the driptip, and blowing it out, and I generally do that anytime I might get a little gurgle -- if that doesn't clear it, I turn it up a half watt, to vaporize a little faster. And I have occasionally seen a bit of leakage from the airhole if I leave it lying on its side overnight when it's nearly empty -- I fixed that by doing my refill before bed instead of first thing in the morning, and that problem went away. But leaks from the airhole always seem to be rather more of a leak than I've been seeing recently -- it would get into the 510 and everything, while this latest one doesn't.

As I said, I replaced all the o-rings on all of them, including my newest black one, which apparently had a bad bottom o-ring right from the get-go -- it was easy to see the leak on that black finish, how it would slowly ooze out along that seam. Replacing all the o-rings fixed all the "normal" leaks, but I was still seeing that tiny bit of very dark liquid just on the top of the iSticks, and smeared on the bottom of the kayfuns -- even now, if I run my stainless or black kayfuns on my sigelei, which has the open well for the ego threads, I get none of that, so I'm leaning to the idea of it being condensed vapor that probably escaped from the airhole and once it got under the kayfun against the solid top of the iStick, could not evaporate. My gold kayfun, I have on a gun-metal Vamo, which also has the open well, and I have no leaks from it -- though at my last wick change, I also inspected those o-rings, and replaced them; the bottom one was nearly shredded, but hadn't been leaking.

So unless I start seeing more and more leakage, I think I'm going to operate on the premise of it being escaped vapor that can't evaporate against the solid top of the iStick -- which gives me more info for the next box mod I buy, to ensure it has good ventilation around the bottom of the tank.

Andria

 

[evan le'garde]

Thanks very much for all your replies. I never had such a great response from a single post before. .

 

[schizm722]

Thanks very much for all your replies. I never had such a great response from a single post before. .

If you are upgrading from a ProTank II, you are soon to experience vaping bliss.

When I got my first Kayfun years ago, I HATED it. There are hundreds of different build/wick combinations, and many of them didn't work well together. The Kayfun is a work of art, and your build and wicking method is very crucial in regards to how well you will like a Kayfun.
With all of the helpful members here, there is no need for you to experience any headaches when you are learning your device. There's TONS of info in the closed Part 1 thread, and if the 188,000 posts take up too much of your time, then all the cool members here will surely help!
(Thanks to all who helped ME in the past)

Chimney coil builds have been a favorite of mine ever since I figured out how to build them right.
Looking at the design of the Kayfun, they just seem to make sense to me. I don't know how popular they are now days, but I love them. Never any problems with dry hits, leaking, flooding, etc., and the coil gets cooled quicker and more efficiently than any other build. Since I like short powerful mouth hits at a slightly lower resistance than most Kayfun owners, the cooling of the coil is crucial to extend wicking life.
With 26g Kanthal wrapped around a 5/64 drill bit at 0.7-0.8 ohms, the ramp-up time is almost non-existent at +/- 20 watts. It's very similar to taking a drag from a cigarette. This particular build is not for everyone, but the chimney coil builds in Kayfuns shouldn't be overlooked imho.

Here I just re-wicked my only KFL+ clone, the Tobeco black edition. I'd recommend it if you are on a budget...

 

[evan le'garde]

If you are upgrading from a ProTank II, you are soon to experience vaping bliss.

When I got my first Kayfun years ago, I HATED it. There are hundreds of different build/wick combinations, and many of them didn't work well together. The Kayfun is a work of art, and your build and wicking method is very crucial in regards to how well you will like a Kayfun.
With all of the helpful members here, there is no need for you to experience any headaches when you are learning your device. There's TONS of info in the closed Part 1 thread, and if the 188,000 posts take up too much of your time, then all the cool members here will surely help!
(Thanks to all who helped ME in the past)

Chimney coil builds have been a favorite of mine ever since I figured out how to build them right.
Looking at the design of the Kayfun, they just seem to make sense to me. I don't know how popular they are now days, but I love them. Never any problems with dry hits, leaking, flooding, etc., and the coil gets cooled quicker and more efficiently than any other build. Since I like short powerful mouth hits at a slightly lower resistance than most Kayfun owners, the cooling of the coil is crucial to extend wicking life.
With 26g Kanthal wrapped around a 5/64 drill bit at 0.7-0.8 ohms, the ramp-up time is almost non-existent at +/- 20 watts. It's very similar to taking a drag from a cigarette. This particular build is not for everyone, but the chimney coil builds in Kayfuns shouldn't be overlooked imho.

Here I just re-wicked my only KFL+ clone, the Tobeco black edition. I'd recommend it if you are on a budget...

Would i be wrong to say that this build is similar to a cartotank ?.

 

[1buda]

Where are you folks buying replacement center pins from?

 

[Jim Beam]

I used protanks earlier on, it crap compared to a kayfun lite.
You'll instantly noticed a higher quality vape.
Not only does it taiste 100 percent better, plenty vape clouds.
To me it more like smoking a real cigg.
Coils are easy, wicked is no real issue.
Unlike a protank, no dry hits unless you run your kayfun outta juice lol.
Kayfun lite is the wtg, esoecially for newbies.
Orchid v4s do well, but those run dual coils and really doesnt vape all that much differnt than my kayfuns.

Sorry, just yhinking out loud.

Single coil, battery seem to last longer, drinks juice like my ford f350 does gas lol.

Jim

 

[schizm722]

Would i be wrong to say that this build is similar to a cartotank ?.

Never even thought of that Good point.
One of the main benefits is that the wicking does not have to work against gravity (feeding liquid up to the coil from the lower deck) since the coil is always surrounded with saturated wicking.

 

[UKPaul]

If you are upgrading from a ProTank II, you are soon to experience vaping bliss.

When I got my first Kayfun years ago, I HATED it. There are hundreds of different build/wick combinations, and many of them didn't work well together. The Kayfun is a work of art, and your build and wicking method is very crucial in regards to how well you will like a Kayfun.
With all of the helpful members here, there is no need for you to experience any headaches when you are learning your device. There's TONS of info in the closed Part 1 thread, and if the 188,000 posts take up too much of your time, then all the cool members here will surely help!
(Thanks to all who helped ME in the past)

Chimney coil builds have been a favorite of mine ever since I figured out how to build them right.
Looking at the design of the Kayfun, they just seem to make sense to me. I don't know how popular they are now days, but I love them. Never any problems with dry hits, leaking, flooding, etc., and the coil gets cooled quicker and more efficiently than any other build. Since I like short powerful mouth hits at a slightly lower resistance than most Kayfun owners, the cooling of the coil is crucial to extend wicking life.
With 26g Kanthal wrapped around a 5/64 drill bit at 0.7-0.8 ohms, the ramp-up time is almost non-existent at +/- 20 watts. It's very similar to taking a drag from a cigarette. This particular build is not for everyone, but the chimney coil builds in Kayfuns shouldn't be overlooked imho.

Here I just re-wicked my only KFL+ clone, the Tobeco black edition. I'd recommend it if you are on a budget...

I have never tried a chimney coil but that looks like a realy nice build.

 

[LittleBird]

@schizm722 , do you have a picture of the wicking? I'm afraid I'm a bit challenged ... . Thanks!

 

[Exchaner]

I have been vaping a new Kayfun Nano by EHpro, and unlike the clones from Fattech, I haven't had a single leak so far. No whistling either.

 

[schizm722]

@schizm722 , do you have a picture of the wicking? I'm afraid I'm a bit challenged ... . Thanks!

I'm sorry I didn't take step-by-step pics, didn't even cross my mind.
It's very easy.
1 - Roll you out about a 5 inch long cotton wick (or the peaches & cream yarn if that's your thing).
2 - Wrap it around the coil, going in between the coil and the negative lead a few times, leaving the ends of the wick equal in length.
3 - Stuff the ends of the wick down on both sides making sure they are right up against the juice channels, saturate everything.
4 - Fill the rest of the chasm up with the cotton of your choice and saturate to the point where the cotton can hold no more.
5 - Assemble/fill/vape

Sorry no pics - hope that helped.

I've seen many tutorials about this build, and many people leave a space between the bottom of the coil and the air hole.
There's no need for that. A short circuit is impossible and the space leaves room for leaking/flooding issues.
I've built it both ways, and having NO SPACE between the coil and the air hole is the only way to go in my experience.

 

[Bronze]

Just make sure the end of the wick touches the deck and it is within the boundaries of the chimney.

 

[TruSound]

I never had much luck with the chimney build, both flavor and vapor were diminished compared to my standard horizontal build, and throat hit was almost nonexistent with the vertical build.

IMO air needs to pass over the coil to produce the best quality vape, at least in a Kayfun anyway...but by all means, use what provides the most satisfying vape for you. I've recently switched to Nichrome from Kanthal, the greater coil surface area and quicker startup have improved performance, vapor is thick and rich with slightly improved flavor.

Nichrome 80, 26ga, 2.5mm, 8 wrap with rayon measures .75 ohm...outstanding performance.

 

[schizm722]

I never had much luck with the chimney build, both flavor and vapor were diminished compared to my standard horizontal build, and throat hit was almost nonexistent with the vertical build.

IMO air needs to pass over the coil to produce the best quality vape, at least in a Kayfun anyway...but by all means, use what provides the most satisfying vape for you. I've recently switched to Nichrome from Kanthal, the greater coil surface area and quicker startup have improved performance, vapor is thick and rich with slightly improved flavor.

Nichrome 80, 26ga, 2.5mm, 8 wrap with rayon measures .75 ohm...outstanding performance.

I was always a fan of the horizontal coil, mounted diagonally, and wicked with the steadfast "Truman" method. (thanks Truman). In a Kayfun, the air flow on a horizontal coil is going to take the path of least resistance. Although the deviation is minimal, it always results in the coil being cooled faster on one side. That can result in better throat hit, but it can also result in having to rewick more frequently.
Wicking on the inside of the coil with air flowing around the coil vs. wicking on the outside of the coil with air flowing through the coil has to be put in the category of personal preference, as you stated.
They both have their good points.
As far as flavor and vapor production? I have never cared about vapor production in my Kayfuns, as they were specifically designed for flavor. Vertical coil builds in a Kayfun result in more wicking in contact with the coil vs. the horizontal method, and the coil is cooled evenly, as there is nowhere for air to go other than straight through the coil. My vertical builds always produce a more saturated vape than my horizontals, much better flavor imo. Throat hit is a whole different (and long) story with numerous variables. I have to feel a good throat hit to be satisfied, and all but 1 of my KF's are vertical.
But again, as you said, whatever works right?

PS: I'm a nice guy , I don't want you to think I'm trying to start a senseless debate. All of us Kayfunners are on the same team. We're all weird and we all have one of the best devices the vaping world has to offer, flavor wise...

 

[evan le'garde]

Been having second thoughts about the Kayfun Lite +. I bought a Russian 91% recently. After a bit of faffing about with the contact screw i managed to get the thing running on my Provari v2.5. Set up, as i recall, a 6 wrap 32awg coil with some cotton and it came in at about 2.6 ohms. I hate working with 32 because it's just so delicate so i ordered some 07x01 ribbon wire and i'll see how i get on with that (got loads of wire but all 26 or lower, Had 32 sitting around from my Protank days). Not enjoying the post setup on the Russian though. I'd rather see the screws raised a bit like the Kayfun v4 but hey ho. I'm hoping i can make a more solid or less delicate coil with some 07 ribbon wire, that 32 is too soft to work with and i hate it.



So anyway, i continued to research the KFL+ and found it does not have adjustable airflow. And now i'm thinking that the Russian i have can do what the KFL+ does except it has the added airflow adjustment. So i'm wondering that maybe i don't want the KFL+ now. Then i started searching for the Kayfun v4 and i like what i see !.

So, money being no object should i get a Kayfun v4 rather than a KFL+ ?. Only drawback is Cloud 9 is closed until 19th May. Bummer !.

 

[AndriaD]

All my KFL+'s have adjustable airflow. Bought one clone "kayfun lite" that did not, and hated it.

Andria

 

[evan le'garde]

Ok, right, it does have adjustable airflow. Still not liking the low post arrangement though.

 

[Pinggolfer]

8-10 wraps using 28g, 2.5mm on a Provari equals home run.

 

[Jim Beam]

As of today I listed some kayfun lites on ehay, figure I'd share the wealth lol.

Though I still have enough of them for personal use.

Jim