Kayfuns lost their fun

[regal55]

Kayfuns are all about the wick. Sorry, but if you are burning coils without being empty something is wrong with the build
I went through the same process.
I have one or four, between one 3.1 and my three 91%, depending on how you look at it. Took me a couple of months of them being my all day vape to perfect it.
Even with me really being a genesis diehard with no kayfun bias (i have almost stopped using them) have to say that any problems with a burnt wick are not a fault of the atty.
Its not a bad thing.

This is a common misconception, with nets its all about the coil. Believe me I tried dozens of different wick variation and every time the cotton would burn inside the coil. First try with a gapped coil (no pinching) and it worked for the first time. This is all with home brew nets. They are different than clean burning flavoring e juices.


Heating/pinching should be outlawed for net vapors. I wasted a month of my life trying to get that to work.

I just built a KFL for a Newminster #47 net in 15 minutes flat with the gapped coil. I can't believe it worked the first time, and the flavor is incredible. Side by side to the Kanger Aerotank the KFL is superior by far.

 

[Chelonian]

Of course the coil has to perform.
Once you yqve a good coil, I find that the wick makes a much bigger difference than in, say, my expromiser, for example.

 

[auxsend]

From the first day I had my Kayfun, I followed a tutorial on youtube (RubyRoo if memory serves) and I've been using that build ever since. I've never had a dry hit, or any other issues. If I can do it, anyone can.

 

[regal55]

I just wonder how many success stories are with DIY nets, it usually takes me 2 or 3 tries to get a decent build. I waste a lot of juice, its amazing how much juice gets lost when you rebuild, that why I don't use commercial ejuice. My nets work fine in my aerotech. AT this point I am just baffled, but not giving up because when the build works its fantastic. I just can't figure out what makes a good build vs burnt cotton in the coil. I've tried every variation of cotton amount. My best luck has been gapped coils but those are hard to build straight. I'm not giving up but just can't get my head around what makes a good build vs one that burns coton in the coil after an hour.

 

[cocacola31173]

I just started using the nest method from ECF member crxess's blog -- link in the my first post above. I'm currently on my first wick with that method. I'm still experimenting; I used organic cotton for in the coil, and used the cellucotton for the nest. I'll probably mix it up again for the next wick in a couple of days. You'll probably read of my overall impressions in the future.

I have been using that nesting method with jjust cotton and I love it! I can't get a dry hit if I tried! I just wonder how much juice actually get sucked into the chamber when you take a drag?

 

[regal55]

With the nesting method are you covering the coils too or circuling it?

 

[cocacola31173]

With the nesting method are you covering the coils too or circuling it?

Here is the link we are talking about...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uilding-kayfun-lite-nano-cotton-nest-pt3.html

 

[ForeverDiving]

This is a common misconception, with nets its all about the coil. Believe me I tried dozens of different wick variation and every time the cotton would burn inside the coil. First try with a gapped coil (no pinching) and it worked for the first time. This is all with home brew nets. They are different than clean burning flavoring e juices.

Heating/pinching should be outlawed for net vapors. I wasted a month of my life trying to get that to work.

I use DIY NETs more than 9/10 of the time. I have a few artificial flavored juices (DIY as well) that I use but not as much as my NETs and other natural herbal or fruit extracts. It's all about filtering them well. You have to really bring them to a completely clear state, either by filtering or in some hard cases by decanting. Then they behave exactly like artificials and taste tenfold better, of course. At the same time, I've observed that open wrap coils don't perform as well as pinched ones. It might be just my imagination but they don't seem to glow as bright or as fast as pinched ones. They're also more prone to hotspots. The only open wrap coils I use are on gennys with mesh.

I just wonder how many success stories are with DIY nets, it usually takes me 2 or 3 tries to get a decent build. I waste a lot of juice, its amazing how much juice gets lost when you rebuild, that why I don't use commercial ejuice

You have to find one that works well for each atty and then stick to it. I keep a text note in my smartphone (too lazy to do a spreadsheet) and upload a opy of it to Evernote. However, same as you, when I get a new atty I usually do from three to ten builds before finding the one.

Although I've mainly gravitated to cotton for the great majority of my builds, basically for ease, universal availability and half penny price, sometimes I'll try an array of materials (silica and ekowool, cotton cored ekowool, silica cored mesh and even SS cable, all in different diameters until I find one that beats the others.

There are some attys that are very demanding on a particular style of build and just go bananas with anything else; the Erlkönigin and the Aga T7 are just two examples that come to mind. The Dome (genny) and the 3D (a nutty hybrid between dripper and semi-tank) are others that require a very narrow variety of builds and refuse to work with anything else.

 

[regal55]

I use DIY NETs more than 9/10 of the time. I have a few artificial flavored juices (DIY as well) that I use but not as much as my NETs and other natural herbal or fruit extracts. It's all about filtering them well. You have to really bring them to a completely clear state, either by filtering or in some hard cases by decanting. Then they behave exactly like artificials and taste tenfold better, of course. At the same time, I've observed that open wrap coils don't perform as well as pinched ones. It might be just my imagination but they don't seem to glow as bright or as fast as pinched ones. They're also more prone to hotspots. The only open wrap coils I use are on gennys with mesh.



You have to find one that works well for each atty and then stick to it. I keep a text note in my smartphone (too lazy to do a spreadsheet) and upload a opy of it to Evernote. However, same as you, when I get a new atty I usually do from three to ten builds before finding the one.

Although I've mainly gravitated to cotton for the great majority of my builds, basically for ease, universal availability and half penny price, sometimes I'll try an array of materials (silica and ekowool, cotton cored ekowool, silica cored mesh and even SS cable, all in different diameters until I find one that beats the others.

There are some attys that are very demanding on a particular style of build and just go bananas with anything else; the Erlkönigin and the Aga T7 are just two examples that come to mind. The Dome (genny) and the 3D (a nutty hybrid between dripper and semi-tank) are others that require a very narrow variety of builds and refuse to work with anything else.

I filter to 5 micron, so I think my nets are pretty clean. Its funny you mention the 3D dripper, never could get it to work but find the Brass Monkey and ideal setup with fantastic engineering and taste/vapor.

I think I've traced my issue to a bad batch of cotton pads, they were more like paper towels. Right now I have all three of my KFL's filled and working well with my nets. Goood feeling. I tried nesting as that would seem to be a cure to a burning wick inside the coil. But it slowed down the draw way too much.

 

[ForeverDiving]

My solution for the 3D was something I caught at the Phil Busardo review of it. The deck can be inverted —you remove the fill hole screw and place it from underneath, then put the deck upside down. It holds less juice underneath but a lot more on the "cup" that now faces up. Do a pair of verticals and put the wicks so they just brush the bottom of the well and cut short (some 2~3mm) above the coils. Put a couple of ml in the "hold" below the deck and another pair on the well. It Works decently at around 1Ω.

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[regal55]

My solution for the 3D was something I caught at the Phil Busardo review of it. The deck can be inverted —you remove the fill hole screw and place it from underneath, then put the deck upside down. It holds less juice underneath but a lot more on the "cup" that now faces up. Do a pair of verticals and put the wicks so they just brush the bottom of the well and cut short (some 2~3mm) above the coils. Put a couple of ml in the "hold" below the deck and another pair on the well. It Works decently at around 1Ω.

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My solution was to buy a couple Brass monkey's. If the engineer/designer doesn't get it right for something I paid for I have little use for it. I'm still on the fence about the KFL, was it designed well enough or robust enough so that any customer who buys it can build it? I'm coming around to think yes but boy it has been a struggle. And I haven't forgotten that it was designed for silica not cotton and not rayon.

 

[ForeverDiving]

My solution was to buy a couple Brass monkey's. If the engineer/designer doesn't get it right for something I paid for I have little use for it.

Damn right! I've ogled the Monkeys but it's doubtful I'll get one anytime soon. Mexican customs are denying entry to all vaping related gadgets and I already have been returned to sender a couple of CLTs. At least got the price of the atties refunded; not so the postage (almost as much). I still have a genuine Black Russian 91% at large...



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[Chelonian]

I tried nets.
Dont like them.
After about a year of not smoking,my taste buds recovered to the point that I can taste wicks, unless its fresh organic cotton; or ss mesh.
The cotton is only good for two days max, and by the end of the second day I can taste the gunk.
Its why genesis atomisers give the best taste. You have to learn to build them, (I didnt think that they did either, until I could build them right )
I still stand by the fact that the wick is more important than the coil.
I have had to throw together a quick build before going to work, and had truly ugly coils. As long as the wick is set up correctly, its good to go.
And to the poster that thinks pinching a coil after heating is a bad thing......whaaaaat?