Kentucky smoking ban proposal includes e-cigarettes

[Jim Bob]

This is totally unacceptable ! vaping has no "second hand smoke" the very reason that has always been given for "indoor smoking bans"

 

[Johnny2puffs]

This is totally unacceptable ! vaping has no "second hand smoke" the very reason that has always been given for "indoor smoking bans"

When you vape, where does the vapor go? It contains nicotine and hangs in the air then disappears. Surely it must hang around for non vapers to inhale?

 

[Vocalek]

When you vape, where does the vapor go? It contains nicotine and hangs in the air then disappears. Surely it must hang around for non vapers to inhale?

The vapor goes to the same place that your visible breath goes on a cold winter day. It "dissipates" - it disperses or scatters, mixing with the ambient air.

Cigarette smoke contains particulates, which makes it dissipate much more slowly than vapor. Cigarette smoke also contains tar, which makes the exhaled particulates stick to surfaces.

If the liquid being used contains no nicotine, the vapor being exhaled will contain no nicotine.

Nicotine is being studied as a treatment for attention deficit disorder and memory problems, including Alzheimer's. The World Anti-Doping Agency has named nicotine a performance enhancer. Nicotine could be put on list of banned substances - Olympics - ESPN

Unfortunately for non-vapers, exhaled vapor does not contain enough nicotine to provide them with any of these beneficial effects, even if they were to lock lips with a vaper and inhale every one of the vaper's exhalations. In the first place, a puff of vapor contains much less nicotine than a puff of smoke. In the second place, any nicotine present in the vapor is 98% absorbed by the vaper.

Why are you so afraid of nicotine? Your health problems were not caused by nicotine. They were caused by the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion that you used to inhale when you smoked. These are absent in vapor.

Does that answer your questions?

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

The vapor goes to the same place that your visible breath goes on a cold winter day. It "dissipates" - it disperses or scatters, mixing with the ambient air.

Cigarette smoke contains particulates, which makes it dissipate much more slowly than vapor. Cigarette smoke also contains tar, which makes the exhaled particulates stick to surfaces.

If the liquid being used contains no nicotine, the vapor being exhaled will contain no nicotine.

Nicotine is being studied as a treatment for attention deficit disorder and memory problems, including Alzheimer's. The World Anti-Doping Agency has named nicotine a performance enhancer. Nicotine could be put on list of banned substances - Olympics - ESPN

Unfortunately for non-vapers, exhaled vapor does not contain enough nicotine to provide them with any of these beneficial effects, even if they were to lock lips with a vaper and inhale every one of the vaper's exhalations. In the first place, a puff of vapor contains much less nicotine than a puff of smoke. In the second place, any nicotine present in the vapor is 98% absorbed by the vaper.

Why are you so afraid of nicotine? Your health problems were not caused by nicotine. They were caused by the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion that you used to inhale when you smoked. These are absent in vapor.

Does that answer your questions?

Also no side stream smoke, a PV doesn't sit there and burn when you are not inhaling it.

 

[Placebo Effect]

The Kentucky vote was again postponed. Looks like it wasn't a mistake that the Committee didn't have a quorum last week. The Republicans are simply not showing up.

House committee postpones vote on smoking ban | Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune | wisconsinrapidstribune.com

 

[Jim Bob]

Awesome news thank you for posting that!

 

[Jim Bob]

Thank you for answering that far better than I would have, I hadn't even seen that until now.

The vapor goes to the same place that your visible breath goes on a cold winter day. It "dissipates" - it disperses or scatters, mixing with the ambient air.

Cigarette smoke contains particulates, which makes it dissipate much more slowly than vapor. Cigarette smoke also contains tar, which makes the exhaled particulates stick to surfaces.

If the liquid being used contains no nicotine, the vapor being exhaled will contain no nicotine.

Nicotine is being studied as a treatment for attention deficit disorder and memory problems, including Alzheimer's. The World Anti-Doping Agency has named nicotine a performance enhancer. Nicotine could be put on list of banned substances - Olympics - ESPN

Unfortunately for non-vapers, exhaled vapor does not contain enough nicotine to provide them with any of these beneficial effects, even if they were to lock lips with a vaper and inhale every one of the vaper's exhalations. In the first place, a puff of vapor contains much less nicotine than a puff of smoke. In the second place, any nicotine present in the vapor is 98% absorbed by the vaper.

Why are you so afraid of nicotine? Your health problems were not caused by nicotine. They were caused by the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals created by the process of combustion that you used to inhale when you smoked. These are absent in vapor.

Does that answer your questions?

 

[kyaku]

The Kentucky vote was again postponed. Looks like it wasn't a mistake that the Committee didn't have a quorum last week. The Republicans are simply not showing up.

Yea Republicans! (Never thought I'd really say that.)

 

[Bill Godshall]

Kentucky House panel approves bill to ban e-cigarette use and smoking in all public places, bill sponsor says House unlikely to vote on measure because Senate won't approve.
Kentucky House panel approves statewide smoking ban | Politics and Government | Kentucky.com

 

[Johnny2puffs]

Thanks Vocalek,
I now understand. Well done.

 

[kyaku]

"All 100 members of the House are up for re-election this year."
Interesting!

 

[bruiser]

Kentucky House panel approves bill to ban e-cigarette use and smoking in all public places, bill sponsor says House unlikely to vote on measure because Senate won't approve.
Kentucky House panel approves statewide smoking ban | Politics and Government | Kentucky.com

Yep, they don't have the votes to pass the bill. HOORAY

 

[Jim Bob]

I'd say that is Not an agenda they want to risk their re-elections on , so that is good for now

 

[pdwallace]

Yea Republicans! (Never thought I'd really say that.)

I never thought I would say it either, but they really helped us out in Vermont today. I'm glad it all worked out in kentucky, for now.

 

[Tom09]

Kentucky bill announced to return in 2013 (regarding e-cigs: Ellen Hahn’s backyard).

 

[JENerationX]

This explains her anger and need to spew lies about e-cigs.

 

[SpringzVz]

Try Louisville I used to live there they love to make fools out of Lexington

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

This explains her anger and need to spew lies about e-cigs.

I don't think this person got quite the reaction she was looking for when she poked this hornets nest, letters to the dean, TV time for vapors and the hotel not running us off. The nice part is the free advertizing the Lexington group got, maybe we ought to thank her .............NOT!

 

[DC2]

Try Louisville I used to live there they love to make fools out of Lexington

Well, as I noted in another thread, there is already a Louisville/Lexington thing maybe going on here.

Ellen Hahn, the University of Kentucky champion of death to smokers, is in one corner.
And Brad Rodu, the University of Louisville champion of harm reduction and supporter of electronic cigarettes is in another corner.

For more information on Brad Rodu and his work, see these links...
Switch & Quit Owensboro
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/

This is looking more and more like the forces of good and evil will be squaring off eventually.
And that can only be good for us, who are of course the good ones.


So I say to you, Ellen Hahn, keep pushing us.
Because the truth is going to put you out of a job.

 

[Bill Godshall]

For nearly two decades legislation has been introduced in KY to ban smoking in all workplaces (with e-cigs included in recent bills). All the bills have failed.

But the State legislature isn't the biggest threat to legally vaping in workplaces and public places in KY.

Rather, its local smoking bans (that also ban e-cig use, per Hahn's insistance) in municipalities and counties in KY.

There's also current litigation whereby County Commisioners sued to block at least one county's smoking ban (I think it's Bullitt County) that was approved by County's Board of Health.