KFL+...Sloth's Vapourney Continues

[Sloth Tonight]

And Ive had more consistently good wicks doing it this way as opposed to the Rip Trippers way.....

Kayfun Lite Organic Cotton and Micro Coil Build - YouTube

I infinitely prefer this method except I think I either used too much cotton or accidentally blocked the airholes by pushing it down too much - having to take primer puffs very frequently to avoid dry hits as opposed to no primer puffs needed for chainvaping before. It was flawless for a good many hits, then I covered the air holes and tooted to ease my paranoid mind and ensure everything was tight. next hit was dry and had to do primers since. now it also doesn't seem to taste as good even with primer puffs.

in other news, I love the full plastic section!

 

[distortoblotto]

And Ive had more consistently good wicks doing it this way as opposed to the Rip Trippers way.....

Kayfun Lite Organic Cotton and Micro Coil Build - YouTube

Distorto says; "Two thumbs up!"

 

[distortoblotto]

I infinitely prefer this method except I think I either used too much cotton or accidentally blocked the airholes by pushing it down too much - having to take primer puffs very frequently to avoid dry hits as opposed to no primer puffs needed for chainvaping before. It was flawless for a good many hits, then I covered the air holes and tooted to ease my paranoid mind and ensure everything was tight. next hit was dry and had to do primers since. now it also doesn't seem to taste as good even with primer puffs.

in other news, I love the full plastic section!

For some strange reason unbeknownst to me, sometimes even though I know everything is right, when the kayfun is full it will do this. I find myself having to cover the intake and take a pull to bring the flavor back or letting it sit for a few minutes. Then once the level drops a bit, it magically goes away. I also find that reducing the power helps with this as well.

This has left me scratching my head more than once.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

oh really? it may have been too full. I was actually trying to NOT fill it all the way until i was sure it was right. I took it apart (sorry precious juice...beloved 'konda..) and had to trim the ends of the cotton to get it out of the coil. so i think my issue was most likely too much cotton. gonna try less now but with the same wick method and not as full

 

[distortoblotto]

oh really? it may have been too full. I was actually trying to NOT fill it all the way until i was sure it was right. I took it apart (sorry precious juice...beloved 'konda..) and had to trim the ends of the cotton to get it out of the coil. so i think my issue was most likely too much cotton. gonna try less now but with the same wick method and not as full

Next time, tip your KF upside down with the drip tip mated up to a bottle ( I have a small plastic funnel for this) and remove the bottom cap/coil base. ( No Funnel? wrap the tip and bottle top together with tape)

This will allow your juice to drain out and be saved. No sense wasting the juice. Especially Wakonda!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

oh man will definitely do that from now on. i've done 3 wicks...all of them have dry hits. think I'm blocking the hole somehow. last time i did it the RT way - seemed fine, nope.

just tightened the airholes to see if that helps. this thing is a PIA but worth it

 

[distortoblotto]

Growing pains my friend. We've all been there. Once you get it right it pays off in spades.

What are you using for your wicking? You juiced your wick and then used to wet wick and a device to "glue" the wick up against the insulator blocks right? After installing the barrel, did you take a peek inside of it to make sure the wick is not blocking the airflow channels? Are you sure your wick is long enough to rest on the floor the base cap? Is your coil too close to the airway underneath and restricting the air flow?

Take a peek at the photo I posted earlier today and try to reproduce that wick. (take note that the coil is angled. this helps to route the wick)

One last question...What ohms are you building your coils to and what are you using for fire power and if it is a VV/VW device , what settings are you using?

I know this may be a lot of questions but, hang in there and we'll get you up and humming along sooner rather than later!.....


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[Sloth Tonight]

Growing pains my friend. We've all been there. Once you get it right it pays off in spades.

What are you using for your wicking? You juiced your wick and then used to wet wick and a device to "glue" the wick up against the insulator blocks right? After installing the barrel, did you take a peek inside of it to make sure the wick is not blocking the airflow channels? Are you sure your wick is long enough to rest on the floor the base cap? Is your coil too close to the airway underneath and restricting the air flow?

Take a peek at the photo I posted earlier today and try to reproduce that wick. (take note that the coil is angled. this helps to route the wick)

One last question...What ohms are you building your coils to and what are you using for fire power and if it is a VV/VW device , what settings are you using?

I know this may be a lot of questions but, hang in there and we'll get you up and humming along sooner rather than later!.....


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I don't mind questions

I'm using organic cotton, and a 1.7ohm micro coil via 28ga kanthal. Unless something has happened to the coil, it's only 2 days old wnd was the greatest vape i've had all day until rewicking. it glows even from center out. (I would prefer less ohms btw but that's what i got by mistake and it's vaped so great i left it) and is raised pretty high above the center air hole (not too high, since it was fine earlier)

My first wick the other night looked like yours kind of, and vaped fantastic. My next good wick was not angled, and barely touching the base of the upper deck if at all, but glued up against it with juice. best vape of my life to date. then I tried the wick method from the video mota posted and that was easy and fun to wick but quickly descended into dry hits both times. Then the one in it now isnt really angled, is glued against the wall, and is touching base of upper deck but i really thought wasnt blocking the channels (i did look but not with great lighting)

I will try angling again, and using yet again less cotton. I think i may still be using too much, may have been more conservative the times it worked well

 

[distortoblotto]

Notice in the picture that the wick looks a wee bit loose where it goes through the coil. The wick should meet the inside of the coil but still be able to slide back and forth with out bunching up.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

gotcha...it was mostly loose but bunched up SLIGHTLY...guessing slightly is too much.

noticing as i break it down now that when i remove the top cap (like, it's sitting on the desk), no juice comes out the airholes. = blocked... x..x

 

[distortoblotto]

Sounds like you are narrowing it down.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

giving up for now, may take a break from trying tomorrow even. not overly frustrated just can't seem to do it. so weird...seemed so easy to do right. It *was* blocking the channels but this time, definitely not. I can still unscrew the top cap with no leaking

doesn't seem dry if hitting only for 1-2 seconds...beyond that, nasty taste

 

[Sloth Tonight]

well I've looked at probably every thread online, every video on youtube, and still getting nasty hits. less cotton, more cotton, this, that. the device that seemed the perfect hit everytime is now the nasty hit almost every time. Maybe my coil has gone bad but i highly doubt it, and it seems to be an airflow problem. I'm amazed at how after tinkering with both, I find the PT heads MUCH EASIER than this. not the coil building, but the wicking for sure, infinitely easier to not mess up. It's just a bummer because the PT pales in comparison to the kfl when it works right. I will come back to this, but at the present it's taking the joy out of vaping and making me need to vape more to stay calm LOL

you guys work some magic, for sure. I may just skip to a gosh-darn REO. seems theoretically it would be easiest of all

 

[distortoblotto]

Don't give up just yet. Is it possible that you have some debris in the air passage? Do you have a way to blow it out? I know you are in a park but is there an air compressor around?

It defiantly sounds as if it is an air flow problem. Another trick to try is to completely remove the air flow control screw.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Don't give up just yet. Is it possible that you have some debris in the air passage? Do you have a way to blow it out? I know you are in a park but is there an air compressor around?

It defiantly sounds as if it is an air flow problem. Another trick to try is to completely remove the air flow control screw.

I just washed it, soaked in water etc...maybe that dislodged anything because I've thought maybe something (tiny flake of cotton perhaps?) was stuck in there. Do you mean the little air holes on the side of the tank? I haven't tried removing the bottom screws yet, just loosening and tightening. will try that as well after next wick job.

We may have an air compressor if i still have trouble i'll try and find one

 

[motabrownie]

This exact same thing happens with my Kayfun 3.1. No matter how I wick it, I get burnt hits after a few pulls. Over a month now and I havent been able to figure it out. But this rarely happens anymore on my KFL+'s.

One thing Im not sure anyone has mentioned is 'hot legs' on the coils. Ive recently had this problem on a few drippers and noticed it causes a burnt taste. The coils would fire just fine before I wicked it, but after I wicked and put juice on, the hot legs would show up. I was able to get rid of them pretty easily though.

 

[distortoblotto]

Hot Legs? Wasn't there a song about this?

My one and only EHpro clone that I first bought to see if I would like KF style atty's gave me fits like this. One build would be great and the next one would suck even though I know I built it the same each time. So after buying the first two genuine KFL+'s I went out to the garage/shop and promptly took my number drill set to it and drilled out the air passage. After that, it was perfect. Recently, I gave it away to a good bud of mine.

 

[distortoblotto]

Another important thing to remember is that Kayfuns can be very heat sensitive depending on the coil ohms, the juice and power levels being used.

Case in point, I prefer 1.1- 1.4 ohm builds in my KF's. Two different juices in two different units. One with GCD the other with Radioactive.

Both built to 1.2 ohms and used on a Provari. With the Radio, I can vape it until the cows come home @ 4.2 volts which is equivalent to about 15 watts.

With the GCD any thing more than 3.5-3.7 volts (between 10-11 watts) and I start to get the burnt taste.

This is why I was inquiring about the firing device being used.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I'm using it on an MVP2, varying between 3.7 volts and 4 volts. Prefer 4 volts with Wakonda. Was working fine until the rewicking fiasco. What is a hot leg? It could be a coil problem but I'm just dubious - it works fine for a few pulls while saturated, so seems most likely an airflow thing. But maybe I should rebuild a coil too. Thing is, on my PT2s I was having this SAME problem for a while. Yet nothing had changed...tried different wicks, etc on the same coil. Eventually thought it was the coil. replaced it. same thing. only when somebody mentioned not overtightening the base to the tank, and flipping the rubber cup upside down on the chimney, did it go away (so it hadn't been my coil after all). Haven't had a single issue with rebuilt PTs since. Aside from less vapor and less flavor (than kfl+), they are consistently vape heaven every wick I do.

 

[glowplug]

I'm using it on an MVP2, varying between 3.7 volts and 4 volts. Prefer 4 volts with Wakonda. Was working fine until the rewicking fiasco. What is a hot leg? It could be a coil problem but I'm just dubious - it works fine for a few pulls while saturated, so seems most likely an airflow thing. But maybe I should rebuild a coil too. Thing is, on my PT2s I was having this SAME problem for a while. Yet nothing had changed...tried different wicks, etc on the same coil. Eventually thought it was the coil. replaced it. same thing. only when somebody mentioned not overtightening the base to the tank, and flipping the rubber cup upside down on the chimney, did it go away (so it hadn't been my coil after all). Haven't had a single issue with rebuilt PTs since. Aside from less vapor and less flavor (than kfl+), they are consistently vape heaven every wick I do.

In the user's manual it did mention solutions for dry hits, but I think you have tried all of them. I have had dry hits on a few of my builds. I have not been able to identify the problem yet. I do the primer hits (cover the air hole and hit on it two or three times) frequently to get through the tank and then dry burn/rewick afterward. I wish I knew why some builds are perfect and others aren't.

For me, I believe it is loose assembly more than anything else. It is difficult to tighten without overtightening! At first, when the Orings were new, I did have to keep an eye on the connections and tighten it a wee bit from time to time as they 'seated' (probably the wrong word, but it describes what I am thinking).

I have a tiny drop of liquid escape from the air hole from time to time and also from the connection between tanks (the second is much more rare). I wipe it off, check for leaks and move on. I have decided that I love my KF3.1 and I just put up with the occasional issues. Some builds are perfect. Some builds are perfect for a bit and then I get dry hits. Seems like the dry hits are when the tank is full more than anything else. I just do primer pulls and keep on vaping until it is empty and then I will dry burn, rewick and try to ensure everything is very snug.