Kicked out of bar!!

[PCoraJr]

You Should ask first before doing something like that. While the bartender is not the owner of the bar she is the one in charge. She is the one that has to deal with drunk people and decides when somebody has had enough.

BTW never use the Attorney/violating my rights in a private establishment not only does it piss of people but it makes you look stupid. A patron of a establishment has the right to enforce her/his rule. If you want to be served by him/her then you must abby by them.

 

[phenom5]

You should absolutely ask before you start vaping. Something that appears very similar to a cigarette, and produces "smoke" like a cigarette to someone who's never heard of or seen a PV is going to get a negative reaction.

And I'm not going to defend the bartender, but I provided myself with a college education by tending bar, and I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of people are complete idiots when they go out and drink (okay, maybe that's an exaggeration, but there are a lot of idiots out there...especially when they're drinking). Back when Arizona's smoking ban went into effect, I would have people walk in, sit down, order a drink and light up. There's no way a smoker didn't know about the ban, and with the way that the law was written, bars faced some pretty severe penalties if someone from the liquor board came through and people were smoking. So while the bartender may not have handled the situation the best, some nights when there seems to be a high number of idiots out (holidays...we called them amateur nights/ full moons), bartenders can overreact at the drop of a hat.

Bottom line, if you would have asked before you started using your PV, this whole scene would have likely gone down completely different.

 

[HzG8rGrl]

I completely agree with beecee. One hundred percent of the time we must attempt a quick tutorial with the person in charge first, then proceed. Stealth vaping is always an alternative. As long as there is no vapor/fog comming from you well, then nothing can be said.
beecee-love the new pic. Hope you are doing well. Get the car invader taken care of?

Yah no hiding but no puffing away if you don't know if you can or not.

This is why I play with it, stick it in my mouth and all that but don't puff on it.

Since I almost always sit at the bar when I'm out I usually start the conversation with the bartender like this.

Me: "Hey, is there smoking allowed in here?"
Bartender: "No, but you can smoke outside."
Me: "OK, thanks. But I hope these things would be more accepted since they aren't smoke, just vapor." *hold out my 510 or Chuck*
Bartender: "What's that?" or "Is that one of those electronic cigarettes?"
Me: "Yes, it's a personal vaporizer that delivers nicotine and makes my brain think I'm smoking a cigarette....however the vapor is harmless and very tasty The stuff I have in here is *insert juice flavor* . Want me to show you?"
Bartender: *looks around* "Sure"
Me: "Ok, but I will only do a little vapor so no one thinks I'm smoking." *puff puff, blow down or straight ahead*
Bartender: "Wow! That's so cool! Does it help with not smoking cigarettes?"

Me: *Smiles and more blabber about the my pv and the benefits of it*


The conversation goes on and they either say that I can do it in there or if I do it then to keep it on the down-low. I also end up giving away links to places they can find more information about PV's so they can suggest it to friends and family.

 

[KeepNitReel]

In Virginia cigarettes & e cigs are banned from bars & resturants. When the law went into effect they made sure to mention e cigs are included in the ban.

 

[Mr.Frost]

I'm completely new to Electronic Inhalers, but from an outsiders point of view, E-cigs are skating on thin ice right now and probably will be for some time to come.

Hiding it makes you look like you're doing something wrong, but forcing it on people is going to be just as bad. Personally, I don't like the terminology "Vaping" and honestly some of the mods I've seen look an awful lot like drug paraphanalia to me.

It's one thing to see a pretty girl pull out a 510 that looks like a cig, and another to see a group of guys whip out a Twin-Turbo, Dual Overhead cam, Double Barrel, Shotgun Inhaler and "Vape" in a dark corner.

I think this technology could be a great benefit to alot of people, and may have a vast impact on how we view "Smoking", "Personal Use", "Recreational" and drugs in general.

I think the U.S. manufacturer's should form some sort of Administration(if there isn't one already) that sets some strict standards for both quality and safety.

Kissin' a little ... never hurt either.

 

[thorn]

In Virginia cigarettes & e cigs are banned from bars & resturants. When the law went into effect they made sure to mention e cigs are included in the ban.

Could the terms "electronic cigarette" and "personal vaporizer" be considered two different items? If it does not contain nicotine (for 0mg folk), smoke, or anything from a tobacco product, how can it be considered any type of cigarette?

 

[irwink]

In Virginia cigarettes & e cigs are banned from bars & resturants. When the law went into effect they made sure to mention e cigs are included in the ban.

I hadn't realized that so I just googled it to make sure. You're right. Damn!

 

[Stephra]

In regards to the original post, I'd just add that you shouldn't necessarily think she's just lashing out at your e-cig. Maybe she had a really bad day. Her kid broke his arm at school. When she went to pick him up, her car broke down. That means she had to find a ride to work, while worrying about how she's gonna pay the garage bill for the car. She dealt with three drunken louts before you came in, and then you come in, puffing something that looked like smoke, and then when she asked you to take it outside, you started making up excuses why you shouldn't.

Maybe she came across harsher than she needed to, maybe she lashed out at something that's just, to her, one more inconvenience after a long day full of them.

Don't automatically assume it's your e-cig that caused her outburst. Sometimes people have bad days. Sometimes people are just grouchy to begin with. Just write it off and move on.

Maybe speaking to the bar owner in a friendlier setting would be a good thing. Apologize for coming off as rude, and explain that you weren't trying to cause a problem, but now that I have your ear, can I explain my e-cig to you? You might smooth some ruffled feathers by being apologetic.

 

[jimmieu]

I never ask to vape. I have never had any problems. I vaped in the I.C.U.. Vape away! This is America.

 

[Leita]

If I owned a bar--or any biz dealing directly with the public--I would want an employee just like the one who wouldn't let you vape. Any job, no matter how menial in your eyes, is best done by people who take ownership.

I love it: This is MY job, MY bar.. you didn't ask MY permission. I'd kill to have a few of this type. Ask anyone with their own business and they'd agree. She doesn't need a spanking, she needs a raise/promotion/employee of the month badge.

Yeah, I am self-employed (CNC job shop) but I've done my time working in retail where the reputation of the business is directly related to the person running the show at the moment.

As the majority here have already said, just ask permission first in the future.

 

[Sammie]

Hiding it makes you look like you're doing something wrong, but forcing it on people is going to be just as bad. Personally, I don't like the terminology "Vaping" and honestly some of the mods I've seen look an awful lot like drug paraphanalia to me.

It's one thing to see a pretty girl pull out a 510 that looks like a cig, and another to see a group of guys whip out a Twin-Turbo, Dual Overhead cam, Double Barrel, Shotgun Inhaler and "Vape" in a dark corner.

Couldn't agree more that some of this stuff definitely looks like "drug paraphernalia". As for the term vaping, what's a better option? E-smoking implies fire, and smoke. Just not a good connotation there. So what's a better thing to call it?

I think the U.S. manufacturer's should form some sort of Administration(if there isn't one already) that sets some strict standards for both quality and safety.

Man, either my sarcasm radar is off, or you've never heard of the FDA.

 

[noo]

I smoke these things inside all the time without asking permission or getting caught. Just put out hand over the end to cover the light and hold it vapor in long enough that is disappears. No one will ever know...

 

[KeepNitReel]

I hadn't realized that so I just googled it to make sure. You're right. Damn!

Glad you found out this way instead of the ticket way.....LOL ......Virginia's looking for all the revenue they can get!

 

[KeepNitReel]

Could the terms "electronic cigarette" and "personal vaporizer" be considered two different items? If it does not contain nicotine (for 0mg folk), smoke, or anything from a tobacco product, how can it be considered any type of cigarette?

As far as I know these devices are sold under the name & category of e cigarette. Even containing 0 mg nicotine, it's still a e cig.

 

[Mr.Frost]

Couldn't agree more that some of this stuff definitely looks like "drug paraphernalia". As for the term vaping, what's a better option? E-smoking implies fire, and smoke. Just not a good connotation there. So what's a better thing to call it?

Man, either my sarcasm radar is off, or you've never heard of the FDA.

Good question Sammie, I'm not sure, I just can't help but think of something shady when I hear "Vaping", most likely cause I grew up smoking things other than tobacco.

Yea, I know what the F.D.A. is, I meant something the E-cig manufacturers in the U.S. established as their own regulatory commision.

It would show that the E-cig manufacturers and the E-cig community were genuinely concerned in making Electronic Inhalers safe, quality products to better our lives.

Like I said, kissin' a little ... goes a long way.

 

[esdel]

Good question Sammie, I'm not sure, I just can't help but think of something shady when I hear "Vaping", most likely cause I grew up smoking things other than tobacco.

No offense, but just because the term "vaping" has some negative connotations for you, that doesn't make it a bad term. The fact is, it's short, easy to say, and descriptive of what's actually going on: inhaling vapor. It also gets away from any notion of "smoking," which really would be misleading and damaging to the public perception of PVs.

Yea, I know what the F.D.A. is, I meant something the E-cig manufacturers in the U.S. established as their own regulatory commision.

As far as I know, there are no e-cig manufacturers in the US; I believe they're all in China.

 

[clownfish159]

So since im a newbie guess i gotta post this here!lol. Got my vapor king a few days ago and very happy with it. Within my starter kit, Mark from V4L gave me some business cards with an explanation on the back that describes e cigarettes and how they are perfectly legal. So, went out to a few bars the other night and brought my vape with me. I initially didnt want to vape in the bar, but my friend was convincing me otherwise. "just take a couple puffs, its perfectly legal." So i figured i put it to the test. Took a puff off the vapor king and bartender saw the smoke immediately. "GO OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT!!!!" I tried to explain to her what this was and she would have nothing of it. "I DONT CARE WHAT THAT THING IS, OUTSIDE NOW!!!!" I tried to show her the business card, and again she would not budge. "THAT CARD MEANS NOTHING TO ME, THIS IS MY BAR!!!" (she is NOT the owner of the bar BTW) My temper kicked in and i got a little snotty with her, telling her she is taking away my rights and even mentioned a lawyer. "GET OUT OF THIS BAR RIGHT NOW!!!" She screamed as she picked up the phone and threatened to call police to the scene. I could not believe it. I was so ...... off but i turned bit my toungue and left the bar. Im not gonna take any action,obviously, but just wanted to share the story with everyone. I doubt ill be vaping in bars or restaurants anytime soon!!! Anyone have any similar stories?

Bartenders pretty much control the bar and can kick you out of their establishment. They also face heavy HEAVY fines if they are located in a state that has a smoking ban and someone is caught smoking. For all the bartender knows, that vaporizer can cost them the same fees and also her job.

 

[Happy Domino38]

Today, I took my 6 year old to see 'How to Train Your Dragon', (yes, TRAIN your dragon, not DRAIN it! That's another movie altogether..), which was GREAT, by the way..and vaped on my Ego throughout.

It's nice that the indicator light is under your finger and turn it around so the light is facing downwards...even nicer.

Hold the vapor in for a little while and NOTHING is expelled into the air. Not even in a show where you're in the dark with a BIG light on behind you.

Sweet!

 

[Mr.Frost]

No offense, but just because the term "vaping" has some negative connotations for you, that doesn't make it a bad term. The fact is, it's short, easy to say, and descriptive of what's actually going on: inhaling vapor. It also gets away from any notion of "smoking," which really would be misleading and damaging to the public perception of PVs.



As far as I know, there are no e-cig manufacturers in the US; I believe they're all in China.

None taken, I didn't mean to sound condecending. By no means am I telling anyone what to do. That's why I admited it was probabley because of my experiences growing up that I automatically associated the term with something I might have done when I was younger. Usually, it was bad.

I'm new to the whole E-cig sensation/debate thing, I know they originated in China, but I thought there might have been U.S. manufacturers by now.

And please, no need to be easy on me. If I say something ham-tarded, let me know. It's the only way I'll learn.


Frost

 

[Rocketman]

Vaping by invitation.

I carry a rather big and shiny MOD everywhere.
Just displaying it gets attention and questions.
I get to demonstrate it over and over in public, by invitation.
Show it off, before you vape.
Play the game folks.
Get a crowd asking you about it, does it work? how much can you save?
Can you vape it anywhere?
Toss the whole crowd out?
Not often.

Rocket