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Ordered the Kir Fanis Angel tank ... seemed like the best option for in-stock tanks with a top fill port. If only the Trap were available..

I am getting good performance when I wiggle the top cap of the Phiniac.. I've determined this is an airflow/air balance problem.

I'd love to hear what tanks you guys are using, and how much fiddling you have to do to keep this thing wet and happy...
 

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Ordered the Kir Fanis Angel tank ... seemed like the best option for in-stock tanks with a top fill port. If only the Trap were available..

I am getting good performance when I wiggle the top cap of the Phiniac.. I've determined this is an airflow/air balance problem.

I'd love to hear what tanks you guys are using, and how much fiddling you have to do to keep this thing wet and happy...

Could your dry hits be due to too thick of a wick or too tight of a braid? The largest cotton braid I've used with other RBAs is 2mm. I'm not sure how a screw hole fill would make any difference except that it would be easier to fill. I know those Phiniac top caps are a beech to remove. I'm not looking forward to that and I'm getting a little worried about all these problems. :(
 

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Could your dry hits be due to too thick of a wick or too tight of a braid? The largest cotton braid I've used with other RBAs is 2mm. I'm not sure how a screw hole fill would make any difference except that it would be easier to fill. I know those Phiniac top caps are a beech to remove. I'm not looking forward to that and I'm getting a little worried about all these problems. :(

I'm using cotton yarn .. it wicks like cotton balls -- fast and soaking wet.

The dry hits are (I think) because it's just not feeding right. If I flood the Killer, it hits fantastic. After a little while of fun, I get dry hits again.

If I wiggle the top cap of my tank, I see air bubbles coming out of the Killer. It's just not feeding. I think the seal of the tank is too tight? I don't know, I don't really get it.. But when this thing performs, it's freaking amazing.

The fill hole is much easier to take off than the Phiniac caps, which is why I ordered it.
 

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Could your dry hits be due to too thick of a wick or too tight of a braid? The largest cotton braid I've used with other RBAs is 2mm. I'm not sure how a screw hole fill would make any difference except that it would be easier to fill. I know those Phiniac top caps are a beech to remove. I'm not looking forward to that and I'm getting a little worried about all these problems. :(

Having the air hole in the top should allow air to flow reducing the likelihood of vapor lock. I can see how it would work if you left the screw out while vaping.

FYI, I got my email from the greek site with shipping info on the 11th. The tracking shows it in the system on the 12th. It showed up on USPS tracking on the 13th. Its been frozen there since then reading "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment". Im assuming it is working through customs. Ill let you know when it shows up on tracking in the states or just shows up. That should be a good indicator for you since we live fairly close to each other.
 

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Having the air hole in the top should allow air to flow reducing the likelihood of vapor lock. I can see how it would work if you left the screw out while vaping.

FYI, I got my email from the greek site with shipping info on the 11th. The tracking shows it in the system on the 12th. It showed up on USPS tracking on the 13th. Its been frozen there since then reading "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment". Im assuming it is working through customs. Ill let you know when it shows up on tracking in the states or just shows up. That should be a good indicator for you since we live fairly close to each other.

Yeah the fill hole should allow for some airflow. I don't know about vaping with it wide open, but partially.. maybe!

Your tracking info might not update until it hits your local PO. It's pretty normal though, it's just Registered Mail in our postal service definitions.

I got updates on my Killer when it got to New Hampshire (of all places!). I ordered something else from greekvapes and I didn't get an update til it hit the local PO. 7-10 days is a fair estimate.

I'm pretty sure "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment" is similar to the "Electronic Shipping Info Received" when a packages comes from somewhere in the US.
 

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I'm using cotton yarn .. it wicks like cotton balls -- fast and soaking wet.

The dry hits are (I think) because it's just not feeding right. If I flood the Killer, it hits fantastic. After a little while of fun, I get dry hits again.

If I wiggle the top cap of my tank, I see air bubbles coming out of the Killer. It's just not feeding. I think the seal of the tank is too tight? I don't know, I don't really get it.. But when this thing performs, it's freaking amazing.

The fill hole is much easier to take off than the Phiniac caps, which is why I ordered it.

Well, Jennifer of Phinica.com just bought a killer (hasn't got it yet) so we'll see how she does with it in her tanks. That's the tank that I want to use the killer in but I have others that I can try if the Phiniac doesn't like it. I can't imagine a tank being to air tight though and I've never had any wicking problems with Phiniac tanks so it has to be something with the killer.
 

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These issues you guys get with dry hists is weird.

I've had a couple of dry hits with my rebuilded coils, never with premade ones.

Turned out on the 2 occasions I had the wick blocking the feeding holes once and too tight coils on the the wick the other one.

I usually "prime" the cup once the tank is filled with a new coil by dripping 4-5 drops and then it never runs dry. With a 100% VG liquid I use I have to fully open the feeding and let it between 50%-70% open with a 50/50 mix.

The tank I use is a siam mod titanium caps with a pyrex tube that can be seen in the bOd thread here.

Now I've noticed it wicks better if not overfilled and I always push the tank with the feeding holes half open to relief any pressure build-up.

Hope this kinda helps.
 
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These issues you guys get with dry hists is weird.

I've had a couple of dry hits with my rebuilded coils, never with premade ones.

Turned out on the 2 occasions I had the wick blocking the feeding holes once and too tight coils on the the wick the other one.

I usually "prime" the cup once the tank is filled with a new coil by dripping 4-5 drops and then it never runs dry. With a 100% VG liquid I use I have to fully open the feeding and let it between 50%-70% open with a 50/50 mix.

The tank I use is a siam mod titanium caps with a pyrex tube that can be seen in the bOd thread here.

Now I've noticed it wicks better if not overfilled and I always push the tank with the feeding holes half open to relief any pressure build-up.

Hope this kinda helps.

I will double check the wick setup I have and make sure it's just not too much.

It doesn't make sense that I get dry hits with the juice control wide open, and others have their working perfectly. I'll look tonight.

Thanks for the tips!
 

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I will double check the wick setup I have and make sure it's just not too much.

It doesn't make sense that I get dry hits with the juice control wide open, and others have their working perfectly. I'll look tonight.

Thanks for the tips!

Here's been my experience so far. This is with a Kir Fanis tank, which has the top fill hole, running with the juice control wide open, so far on the "stock" wick/coil.

Filling the tank (via the fill hole) floods the Killer to start - this is because the juice control is wide open, and there is no negative air pressure in the tank yet. I would close the juice control at fill time to prevent this, then open as needed, but once the Killer is set in the tank, I can't get the juice control to turn - this is a VERY tight tank.

Once I clear the initial flood it works great...mostly. Occasionally, I will get air lock, and start to get dryness, so I open the fill screw for a few seconds, and put it back in. This gets the juice flowing again. Or, it did for the first couple of tanks. Then I switched to a thicker juice, and couldn't keep the flow going at all. Opening the fill hole would cause enough juice to feed in that it would vape fine for a while, but after a few vapes, it would get dry again until I let it sit for a few minutes, or I let in a bit more air via the fill hole.

I need to experiment some more to really get the feel for it. It's all about balancing the air pressure. Cartos are much less sensitive to this because the filler acts as a buffer - holding extra juice if airflow is a little too slow, or collecting extra juice if it's too fast. With a really air-tight carto tank, the top of the carto tends to get and stay fairly dry. With ones that are a bit loser (still sealed, but slidey), the top of the carto tends to stay juicy. Both can vape pretty much the same since there is still a fairly even amount of juice at the coil.

Also, cartos have a more restricted air path, which creates more of a vacuum effect when you take a drag, which probably helps keep juice flowing. In situations where things don't seem to be flowing with a carto, a couple of sharp dry pulls will usually sort things out, and you'll see the bubbles come out of the holes in the carto as juice displaces air in the filler.

With the Killer, with the juice control fully opened, this trick doesn't work so well. My next experiment is actually going to be to close the juice flow more to see if that actually helps juice flow by making it easier to create a vacuum in the atty chamber.

Also, I'm going to try a build with more/thicker wick to give more of a "juice buffer". When mine isn't wicking well, letting it sit for a few minutes will typically give a few good juicy hits before it starts getting dry again. I'm thinking extra wick will hold more juice and hopefully smooth out this wet/dry cycle.

Ultimately though, I think everyone is going to have a somewhat different experience with this depending on which tank they use, and how other factors such as the juice they use, how they build the wick and coil, etc.

I've had a couple of tanks worth where it's worked nearly perfectly, and it's been amazing, and I've had one tank worth that was pretty frustrating, and made me contemplate giving it a permanent home on my Darwin as a dripper without the tank (which it works rather splendidly for, BTW)

I know that got rambly, but hopefully there are some useful nuggets in my random musings to help some folks out with this.
 

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Here's been my experience so far. This is with a Kir Fanis tank, which has the top fill hole, running with the juice control wide open, so far on the "stock" wick/coil.

Filling the tank (via the fill hole) floods the Killer to start - this is because the juice control is wide open, and there is no negative air pressure in the tank yet. I would close the juice control at fill time to prevent this, then open as needed, but once the Killer is set in the tank, I can't get the juice control to turn - this is a VERY tight tank.

Once I clear the initial flood it works great...mostly. Occasionally, I will get air lock, and start to get dryness, so I open the fill screw for a few seconds, and put it back in. This gets the juice flowing again. Or, it did for the first couple of tanks. Then I switched to a thicker juice, and couldn't keep the flow going at all. Opening the fill hole would cause enough juice to feed in that it would vape fine for a while, but after a few vapes, it would get dry again until I let it sit for a few minutes, or I let in a bit more air via the fill hole.

I need to experiment some more to really get the feel for it. It's all about balancing the air pressure. Cartos are much less sensitive to this because the filler acts as a buffer - holding extra juice if airflow is a little too slow, or collecting extra juice if it's too fast. With a really air-tight carto tank, the top of the carto tends to get and stay fairly dry. With ones that are a bit loser (still sealed, but slidey), the top of the carto tends to stay juicy. Both can vape pretty much the same since there is still a fairly even amount of juice at the coil.

Also, cartos have a more restricted air path, which creates more of a vacuum effect when you take a drag, which probably helps keep juice flowing. In situations where things don't seem to be flowing with a carto, a couple of sharp dry pulls will usually sort things out, and you'll see the bubbles come out of the holes in the carto as juice displaces air in the filler.

With the Killer, with the juice control fully opened, this trick doesn't work so well. My next experiment is actually going to be to close the juice flow more to see if that actually helps juice flow by making it easier to create a vacuum in the atty chamber.

Also, I'm going to try a build with more/thicker wick to give more of a "juice buffer". When mine isn't wicking well, letting it sit for a few minutes will typically give a few good juicy hits before it starts getting dry again. I'm thinking extra wick will hold more juice and hopefully smooth out this wet/dry cycle.

Ultimately though, I think everyone is going to have a somewhat different experience with this depending on which tank they use, and how other factors such as the juice they use, how they build the wick and coil, etc.

I've had a couple of tanks worth where it's worked nearly perfectly, and it's been amazing, and I've had one tank worth that was pretty frustrating, and made me contemplate giving it a permanent home on my Darwin as a dripper without the tank (which it works rather splendidly for, BTW)

I know that got rambly, but hopefully there are some useful nuggets in my random musings to help some folks out with this.

Thanks.. This gives me some more things to tinker with and think about.

I had the thought of closing the juice control as well. I just tightened it up, we'll see how it goes.
 

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So I pulled out the little bit of sera wool I had under the ceramic cup (trying to mimic a carto).

Performance.. Maybe a tiny bit better, but still plagued with the air pressure issues.

Taste.. I dunno. It's not burning cotton taste. It should be! It's a mechanical(??) taste... Not quite oily ... it's strange. This is the strangest thing about the entire experience.

Got a couple different tanks headed my way (fill ports and plugs and stuff).. We'll see if that makes any difference at all!
 

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So I pulled out the little bit of sera wool I had under the ceramic cup (trying to mimic a carto).

Performance.. Maybe a tiny bit better, but still plagued with the air pressure issues.

Taste.. I dunno. It's not burning cotton taste. It should be! It's a mechanical(??) taste... Not quite oily ... it's strange. This is the strangest thing about the entire experience.

Got a couple different tanks headed my way (fill ports and plugs and stuff).. We'll see if that makes any difference at all!

The mechanical taste is probably a "near dry" hit. Try dripping a couple of drops of juice directly in the coil, and I'm guessing you won't get that taste.

I decided to try my Killer in one of my Cartomater tanks - it's a standard type of tank - no fill holes or anything, but is really air-tight. I have the juice flow basically wide open. It's been working flawlessly for about half a tank so far.

This makes me wonder if using a fill hole doesn't create enough positive pressure in the tank to keep things flowing properly vs filling and then pressing the end cap on. It does make it a bit more of a pain to refill - my cartomater tank is pretty tough to get the end cap off of, but it's a reasonable trade off if it works consistently. Right now the flavor I'm getting is really fantastic.
 

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The mechanical taste is probably a "near dry" hit. Try dripping a couple of drops of juice directly in the coil, and I'm guessing you won't get that taste.

I decided to try my Killer in one of my Cartomater tanks - it's a standard type of tank - no fill holes or anything, but is really air-tight. I have the juice flow basically wide open. It's been working flawlessly for about half a tank so far.

This makes me wonder if using a fill hole doesn't create enough positive pressure in the tank to keep things flowing properly vs filling and then pressing the end cap on. It does make it a bit more of a pain to refill - my cartomater tank is pretty tough to get the end cap off of, but it's a reasonable trade off if it works consistently. Right now the flavor I'm getting is really fantastic.

Very interesting.

What's your PG/VG ratio .. and how "open" is the juice control?

I'm running 40% VG .. I just closed the juice control MOST of the way ... and it's actually getting better. Maybe I just need to tinker?

Even with juice control WIDE open, I don't get flooding unless I open the tank and close it with the juice control open and covered with juice.
 
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Very interesting.

What's your PG/VG ratio .. and how "open" is the juice control?

I'm running 40% VG .. I just closed the juice control MOST of the way ... and it's actually getting better. Maybe I just need to tinker?

Even with juice control WIDE open, I don't get flooding unless I open the tank and close it with the juice control open and covered with juice.

It sounds like you're getting this worked out. I hope you have it mastered before I get mine. :D
 

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It sounds like you're getting this worked out. I hope you have it mastered before I get mine. :D

Yes. I'm getting DAMN close.

Now for a "Let me eat my last words" moment.

Keeping the juice control mostly closed, I filled the tank. Completely flooded.

So the answer to my issues appears to be "I don't need the juice control wide open."

Now to find my perfect setting!! :D
 

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Yes. I'm getting DAMN close.

Now for a "Let me eat my last words" moment.

Keeping the juice control mostly closed, I filled the tank. Completely flooded.

So the answer to my issues appears to be "I don't need the juice control wide open."

Now to find my perfect setting!! :D

I don't get it. How can it flood with the juice control mostly closed? :confused:
 

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I don't get it. How can it flood with the juice control mostly closed? :confused:

Compared to being wide open it's mostly closed.

I'm guessing that I wasn't allowing for pressure to build at all with the juice control open.. Or something like that.

Now that there is some amount of resistance, it's actually acting like a carto.

Someone more technical I'm sure will explain it better.
 

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Compared to being wide open it's mostly closed.

I'm guessing that I wasn't allowing for pressure to build at all with the juice control open.. Or something like that.

Now that there is some amount of resistance, it's actually acting like a carto.

Someone more technical I'm sure will explain it better.

I get what you're saying. If some techy tried to explain it I probably would be more confused.:facepalm:
 
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