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I've posted a bunch on this, so hopefully people aren't getting tired of it, but I find the quality of the Killer to be much better than that of the Terminator. I had to sand the center pin to avoid breaking the ceramics when replacing them. It really bugs me how wobbly my Terminator is. I cut off about 7mm because I think that it is needlessly too long.
That being said, my Terminator has been working flawlessly and the vape has been great - definitely on par with the Killer in my opinion. I've had no leaks and no dry hits. I can't say the same for my Killer - I had a leak earlier tonight. I'm not yet ready to put my Killer up on the Classifieds, but for the price to performance ratio, I think that the Terminator is a great deal and I think that everyone should try one if they don't own a submersible rebuildable atomizer. It really blows my mind how cheap they are considering how long they can last if you rebuild your own coils.
For me, the Diver is the best in class. It doesn't have a juice control like the Killer and Terminator have, so you can't close the juice hole, drip in a new juice, vape it dry, and and then go back to the juice in the tank, but I don't do that anyways. I like that I can put it in a small tank, finish the juice, and then put in something new. Try doing that with a cartomizer.
I have a Killer, three Divers, and a Terminator. I don't really feel the need to buy another tank atomizer like these since I can change juices so easily, but if I wanted to buy another one, I would get another Diver. At the end of the day, I think that the quality of the vape is the same on all of these (particularly since I build all of the wick and coils the same), bit I find the Diver to be less hassle and I have more complaints with the others.
That being said, my Terminator has been working flawlessly and the vape has been great - definitely on par with the Killer in my opinion. I've had no leaks and no dry hits. I can't say the same for my Killer - I had a leak earlier tonight. I'm not yet ready to put my Killer up on the Classifieds, but for the price to performance ratio, I think that the Terminator is a great deal and I think that everyone should try one if they don't own a submersible rebuildable atomizer. It really blows my mind how cheap they are considering how long they can last if you rebuild your own coils.
For me, the Diver is the best in class. It doesn't have a juice control like the Killer and Terminator have, so you can't close the juice hole, drip in a new juice, vape it dry, and and then go back to the juice in the tank, but I don't do that anyways. I like that I can put it in a small tank, finish the juice, and then put in something new. Try doing that with a cartomizer.
I have a Killer, three Divers, and a Terminator. I don't really feel the need to buy another tank atomizer like these since I can change juices so easily, but if I wanted to buy another one, I would get another Diver. At the end of the day, I think that the quality of the vape is the same on all of these (particularly since I build all of the wick and coils the same), bit I find the Diver to be less hassle and I have more complaints with the others.
thanks for the that. no only did you answer my questions about Terminator vx Killer, but i also was hoping someone with a terminator and killer would also have a Diver, and what do you know, you do! i want a Diver but they're kinda outta my budget for the time being, been buying way too many toys lately
I know what you mean about buying toys lately, LOL. Now that I have a nice set of PVs and five tank RBAs that work well for me that I can rebuild, I'm trying to get into DIY liquid to be more self-sufficient and to save more $$$.
I finally dug my digital calipers out of my storage unit, and got a chance to take some accurate measurements from the tube and caps on the X8 carto tank. I had posted somewhere previously (don't remember if it was this thread, or another Terminator thread...) about possibly making longer tubes for the X8 from glass or polycarbonate tube, so here we go...
The tube for the X8 has an OD of 20.8mm, with a wall thickness of 1mm, giving an ID of 18.8mm.
With the right o-rings, you could theoretically use glass tubing up to 19.0mm ID.
IBTanked makes custom tubes that are 22.0mm OD with 1.5mm walls, giving a 19.0mm ID, which SHOULD work on the X8, but at $11 a tube, it doesn't make much sense to spend almost as much on the glass tube than you'd spend on a complete X8. Don't get me wrong--I'll probably order one just to see how it works, and when you figure in the labor and skill it takes to make glass tubes, that price is certainly reasonable, but I don't think many people will want to put an $11 tube on a $14 tank...
19mm is about 0.75". I can't find any polycarbonate tubing that is that size, but I'm still looking. US Plastic Corp. has polycarbonaate tubing with ID of 1/2, 5/8 and 7/8" but none listed for 3/4" ID...
Professional Plastics makes a Polycarbonate tube that is 0.75" ID and 0.875" OD, in 8 foot sections, for about $30, but with shipping, it's looking like it would be around $40-45 per tube. Now, if its cut optimally, and figuring on a 1.25" long tube, we're looking at 70-75 tank tubes per piece, giving a material cost (labor not figured in) at about 60¢ each. Now, THAT seems much more reasonable.
I'll keep looking for sources for glass and poly tubing. Stay tuned...
The tube for the X8 has an OD of 20.8mm, with a wall thickness of 1mm, giving an ID of 18.8mm.
With the right o-rings, you could theoretically use glass tubing up to 19.0mm ID.
IBTanked makes custom tubes that are 22.0mm OD with 1.5mm walls, giving a 19.0mm ID, which SHOULD work on the X8, but at $11 a tube, it doesn't make much sense to spend almost as much on the glass tube than you'd spend on a complete X8. Don't get me wrong--I'll probably order one just to see how it works, and when you figure in the labor and skill it takes to make glass tubes, that price is certainly reasonable, but I don't think many people will want to put an $11 tube on a $14 tank...
19mm is about 0.75". I can't find any polycarbonate tubing that is that size, but I'm still looking. US Plastic Corp. has polycarbonaate tubing with ID of 1/2, 5/8 and 7/8" but none listed for 3/4" ID...
Professional Plastics makes a Polycarbonate tube that is 0.75" ID and 0.875" OD, in 8 foot sections, for about $30, but with shipping, it's looking like it would be around $40-45 per tube. Now, if its cut optimally, and figuring on a 1.25" long tube, we're looking at 70-75 tank tubes per piece, giving a material cost (labor not figured in) at about 60¢ each. Now, THAT seems much more reasonable.
I'll keep looking for sources for glass and poly tubing. Stay tuned...
much appreciated, SD. i would really like to obtain at least 1 glass locking tank for one of my killer clones. im leaning toward the X8 + IBTank tube.
Nope. No issues of any sort. Very durable little suckers. I usually use them with a kick, and even the oldest one of the 3 works great. I only have the metal ones. The plastic ones look a bit slapped together. And I know they can be repaired and modded easily enough . They make great beaters.
Au contraire, my fellow vaper! I would be very happy to grab a glass tube to make the X8 into a long pyrex tank. I have a Terminator in my AGR, and I really like it. I already have an X8, and though it's quite serviceable, I want a pyrex XL tank with a locking mechanism and a top fill, so for another $11.00, I don't think its unreasonable at all...
This has been a very informative thread, btw. I have my one lonely Terminator in my AGR, and I pulled it apart and dry burned it last night after 3 days of non-stop vaping with it. Plunked it back in the tank, and have been vaping it all day. My Protanks are starting to feel lonely....
I've got a couple more on order from Madvapes, in addition to some NR-R-NR premade 2ohm coils, and also 10 ceramics coming from Greece. I just got an e-mail back from VapingCraze that they should have them back in sometime this week, so I'm going to get at least a 5pack and the bottom 510-510s.
With the one that I do have, I have had to knock my nic level down from 12mg to 6mg, because these things eat juice like crazy and I was getting quite a nic buzz on my regular juice that I chain vape in the Protanks.
All in all, with a little bit of fiddling and a good locking tank, these things are definitely a game changer for me.
Ok, after 2 days testing and 3 tanks emptied: this thing is awesome. I'm really suprised how well the Terminator vapes.
There is something with the ceramic cups that I like
Filling the tank up is easy.
It is a little bit wobbly, but that doesn't bother me much. The only thing that I don't like is that it gets very hot so I have to use the crappy plastic drip tip and not my favourite Old Sam SS drip tip.
Have to try rebuilding the coil without NR wire, just to see how it is. Usually I always use NR wire where you should use it.
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There is something with the ceramic cups that I like
Filling the tank up is easy.
It is a little bit wobbly, but that doesn't bother me much. The only thing that I don't like is that it gets very hot so I have to use the crappy plastic drip tip and not my favourite Old Sam SS drip tip.
Have to try rebuilding the coil without NR wire, just to see how it is. Usually I always use NR wire where you should use it.
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im having a grand ol time with mine as well. ive got one in the original tank, one in a similar tank, and one in an XL 19mm IBTank. the IBTank is just barely wide enough, but it does fit. the juice takes its sweet time squeezing past the bulb. and the o-rings on the IBTank being super tight, is hard to twist the juice control. the remedy is to push the atomizer all the way down, so the 510 extender pops out more. this gives me the grip i need to dial in optimum juice flow. then i just push the atty back up and im in business.
i am experimenting with an untanked KC on my vmod. the juice does feed through the atomizer, but i cant seem to get enough of it up there to have a solid vape. maybe if i set up my vmod for blind squonking i'll be able to get it to feed right. ive also got to mess around with different adapters to se eif that helps. i'll let you guys know how it goes if youre interested.
i am experimenting with an untanked KC on my vmod. the juice does feed through the atomizer, but i cant seem to get enough of it up there to have a solid vape. maybe if i set up my vmod for blind squonking i'll be able to get it to feed right. ive also got to mess around with different adapters to se eif that helps. i'll let you guys know how it goes if youre interested.
That's a great tip. I do that with the Killer too which is much harder to turn.
I'm really enjoying mine too. Course it is my first RDA/RBA so I don't have experience with these to com pair it to. And I havent tried to rebuild it yet. I'm gonna give it a go this weekend using 32/32 nr-r-nr wire and cotton ball wick. Wish me luck!! I hope to be reporting back with good news.
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i rebuilt my KC with resistance wire only,kanthol ribbon 32g. No problems its working fine after the first few hits to break it in.
I do have a problem though. My KC doesn't leak, but every time I refill it in the AGR tank through the top fill hole I get about 30 drops leak out the bottom, when that stops it doesn't leak any more after that, even sitting for a day or more.
i ordered a smaller guage needle for refills but does anyone have tips on how to refill the KC in the AGR tank without leaking?
I do have a problem though. My KC doesn't leak, but every time I refill it in the AGR tank through the top fill hole I get about 30 drops leak out the bottom, when that stops it doesn't leak any more after that, even sitting for a day or more.
i ordered a smaller guage needle for refills but does anyone have tips on how to refill the KC in the AGR tank without leaking?
remove the fill screw, then unscrew the top cap. refill, screw on top cap slowly, then replace the fill screw. no leaks.
i close the feed control from the top on my AGR 2, remove the tank fill screw and then the top cap, fill, replace the cap and screw, open feed control and vape away. no issues. i do find if i don't close the juice feed if it's going to be sitting unused for awhile it floods. anyone else find this?
yup. mine floods slightly if i leave it upright unvaped for a while. most of the time i dont mind and a dry pull remedys the situation. but if its getting too floody, i either close the juice control, or i place the atomizer horizontally. horizontal has been working for me although im thinking that could flood if it wanted to lol. this is on my 80/20 PG/VG juice. with the 70/30 it doesnt leak even while vertical unvaped for a period of time. also, the 70/30 juice is in the IBTanked tank with tighter orings. that shouldnt have an impact, but maybe its a factor. idk.
nelson- are you able to vape the tank dry with the AGR? in other words, does the jucie feed line up at the bottom of the tank? also, do you use the jucie control adapter with the AGR or do you just screw the atomizer directly into the locking portion of the AGR?
i found it will semi flood if i leave it over night. i think its in how the wick is packed around the ceramic that causes flooding. i haven't tried letting the tank run dry.
i use the terminators extention, i put that into the AGR's bottom cap and lock it in, hope i'm making sense. and no, i can't vape to the bottom of the tank. the juice inlet is about a quarter of an inch above the bottom of the tank. my whole issue is keeping it from flooding when filling the AGR tank, damn tricky. i'm hoping when my X8 tank gets here it will work better. if not its back to carto's or a Diver for me. just to much hassle to take to work and have to fart around with it constantly ....
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