KR808d-1 vs. 510 - opinions please!

[ditch.the.pack]

Hi there!

I'm looking to make a wholesale order so I can start selling e-cigs to noobs.

I was originally going to order a bunch of d-1 kits, but the supplier has a nice 510 selection. So, good folks of the D-1 board - tell me the pros/cons of the 510 vs. the KR808d-1, if you don't mind.

(Please provide reasons for your statements - just saying "cause the D-1 is just BETTER!" does not count as an educated response. lol)​

 

[Automated]

Auto or manual? In my experience the auto switch on the newer 808 batteries is far superior to the 510.

 

[Dudeman]

I'd go with the 808's as well providing they're not automatic kits.

As stated above, the batteries are simply better. They have a higher mah rating so they last longer on a charge, and they are slightly higher voltage than a 510 battery.

808 carto's are a lot less hassle than than a 510 atty and cart/filler. New vapers are usually put off by dripping as well. If they want to drip however, a 901 atty will work great on the 808 batteries.

IMO the available PCC's for the 808 are better than those of the 510 as well. They're also generally a lot cheaper if you shop around.

The only way I'd suggest 510 is you're talking about an eGo or Riva type kit.

 

[Credo]

Go for KR-808D-1 and prefilled cartos if you're not going to carry both.

The prefilled cartos will give you fewer customer service woes if you're wanting to do this as a one man operation.

If you get into the 3piece stuff and bottles of liquids...be ready for floods of questions and people needing/wanting help.

 

[ditch.the.pack]

Credo - I hear ya! The less "tech support" the better. lol I am going to order pre-filled cartos, but also blank cartos for those who want flavors. For example - one person I converted yesterday LOVES the 555 Menthol from another supplier. I LOVE Vanilla Custard from Nhaler. With the condom method, everyone has said "oh, wow, that's so easy." Personally I don't feel it wastes enough liquid to deter one from using that method.

I would only do auto, only because the converts I've had so far have all wanted it to be "just like a cigarette." Everyone mainly wants white, auto, tobacco or menthol. It's not until they make the "switch" that they're willing to experiment a little with flavors and other devices. I only just became interested in the Hello 016 and I've been vaping for a little over a month. Flavors, though, I started immediately on vanilla. I didn't want a tobacco or menthol flavor.

The supplier has 510's with cartomizers, so that drops the dripping thing out of the equation. You are all raising GREAT points to ponder though, and I couldn't be more grateful! It gives me things to consider that didn't cross my mind (or my limited knowledge... I use a KR808d-2, have used KR808d-1, and have never used a 510).

 

[ditch.the.pack]

oh, and 2-piece stuff only. I don't wanna deal with atty's. I have to KISS for these noobs. lol

 

[meetzer]

I'll offer up a vote for 510's. I'm new to vaping and I've spent oodles on supplies. I've bought 808's and 510's in both auto and manual.
The auto 808 is too much of an 'airy' draw. Like smoking/vaping air.
The manual 808 was decent, but I can't get a reliable big cloud of vapor from it like I can every time from a 510 manual or auto.
Personally, I think noobs transitioning to e-cigs as a means to help quit smoking generally want 'as close to a cigarette' as possible and that includes performance, not just looks. I think the 510 delivers on that remarkably well despite the shorter battery life.
As far as cartomizers vs. carts/atty's, my preference is carts/atty's due to the ease of refilling and cleaning.
Just my .02 - good luck in your endeavors.

 

[ditch.the.pack]

Meetzer - thank you! What's the approximate "real life" charge on a 510? I get about 3-4 hours on my 808s. (I'm on mine fairly constantly during the day... about 20 drags an hour, if not more?)

And congrats on being smoke free for almost 6 days!!! I'm working on day 10. My signature is off by a day for some reason)

 

[Credo]

Well, if you want to put together the ultimate newbie 'explorer kit' consider something like this:

1 Ego USB/Passthrough Battery with cord and cone. (can be used while charging, lasts 6 to 8 hours off the charger)

1 Drip Tip

1 510 Atomizer

1 LR 510 Atomizer

1 Tank atomizer and tanks

1 Package of Carts to go with the atty

1 Package of Poly Fill Cartomizers (Prefilled), if you can only find 808 type prefilled toss in an adapter)

One or two samples of other carto types like CE2, Vortex, Low Resistance, etc...

As much juice as you can afford to give them in the pack.

That gives them an easy out of the box experience with the prefilled Cartos, lets them try a little of everything so they know what they prefer to order more of...

The coolest thing about this is....
You're not selling them a bunch of batteries and chargers on the first go round. They can try it out and have one of the most powerful Stock batteries on the market The 'battery money' is diverted into vaping platforms to sample instead.

 

[Keenan]

Yeah, speaking as a true noob myself, the 2-piece kit of the KR808 was a big selling point for me. Think the simpler the better is right for anyone just starting out.

 

[meetzer]

ditch.the.pack- thanks! congrats to you as well. I actually just noticed my calculations were wrong on the siggy, and just went and corrected it. For some reason it was showing doubled figures.

Anyway, I started off with a 'disposable' 510 with just one battery and loved it so much that my 808's sat there charged and only used when I had to recharge the 510. After a few days of this, I went ahead and ordered a non-disposable 510 set-up.
That said, the battery life on the disposable 510 was +/- 2 hours of heavy vaping. (I almost never put the thing down and hardly ever let it charge fully). The new 510's seem to be lasting just a bit longer, but probably not what the 808 will do. With an extra battery or two, this becomes a non-issue though, as you can always have one fully charged and ready to go.

I would recommend at least 2 (preferably 3) batteries, 2-3 atty's, and several refillable carts. Plus whatever charging options. I just got a PCC and it's really handy when you're away from any other means of charging for an extended period of time.

 

[meetzer]

Well, if you want to put together the ultimate newbie 'explorer kit' consider something like this:

1 Ego USB/Passthrough Battery with cord and cone. (can be used while charging, lasts 6 to 8 hours off the charger)

1 Drip Tip

1 510 Atomizer

1 LR 510 Atomizer

1 Tank atomizer and tanks

1 Package of Carts to go with the atty

1 Package of Poly Fill Cartomizers (Prefilled), if you can only find 808 type prefilled toss in an adapter)

One or two samples of other carto types like CE2, Vortex, Low Resistance, etc...

As much juice as you can afford to give them in the pack.

That gives them an easy out of the box experience with the prefilled Cartos, lets them try a little of everything so they know what they prefer to order more of...

The coolest thing about this is....
You're not selling them a bunch of batteries and chargers on the first go round. They can try it out and have one of the most powerful Stock batteries on the market The 'battery money' is diverted into vaping platforms to sample instead.

I'd probably buy that!

 

[swedishfish]

I'm going to vote for the 510. Except for battery life, I'd say I get as good of a vape with my Joye 510 as my Joye ego. I don't know about other brands or if it makes a difference. Have tried a V4L KR808 and it's a good pv but I really prefer the 510 to that.

 

[swedishfish]

I'll offer up a vote for 510's. I'm new to vaping and I've spent oodles on supplies. I've bought 808's and 510's in both auto and manual.
The auto 808 is too much of an 'airy' draw. Like smoking/vaping air.
The manual 808 was decent, but I can't get a reliable big cloud of vapor from it like I can every time from a 510 manual or auto. Personally, I think noobs transitioning to e-cigs as a means to help quit smoking generally want 'as close to a cigarette' as possible and that includes performance, not just looks. I think the 510 delivers on that remarkably well despite the shorter battery life.
As far as cartomizers vs. carts/atty's, my preference is carts/atty's due to the ease of refilling and cleaning.
Just my .02 - good luck in your endeavors.

I agree with that.

 

[ditch.the.pack]

Wow, so a lot of 510ers (on an 808 board - shame on you! lmfao). I was beginning to lean that way anyway. Just concerned about battery life. I don't want a bunch of frustrated newbies on my hands. Though I can get the XL/mega batteries in a 510. Wonder what the charge life is on those....

 

[MichelleDen]

808 autos beeing airy is only the bad batts... Decent batts and horiz cartos are the closest to analog you can get.. been all up and down on the 510's.. Wish someone had told me bout the 808's when i started, so i duidnt have to waste so much on titans, egos and rivas...attys and special filler and all that crap... only way to get a decent TH on a 510 is with low resistance and then batt life REALLY sucks....

 

[Credo]

I think the most important thing is going to be paying close attention to the juice/cartos you feature.

They need to taste good and work well.
Don't skimp on these......

It might also be pretty cool to stock a few of the spark-plug or wistle type devices with nothing but a bottle of juice and a drip tip/atty combo. They look nothing like a ciggy, but they are small (some even keychain sized) and give a very good taste of what vaping can be

 

[zer0ith]

I actually just got some FLüXomizer's and they are amazing on both auto and manual 808 battery

 

[Credo]

I actually just got some FLüXomizer's and they are amazing on both auto and manual 808 battery

I agree...my favorite vape on stock equipment is a 2.4ohm short metal Fluxomizer on a KR-808D-1 (or equiv voltage) battery. Super easy draw, nice warm vape. I usually have to get them with 510 threads and use an adapter to get the lower resistance ones...but such is life. The standard KR threaded ones at higher resistance (2.8ish) are a great vape too

The catch with these for 'newbies' is that they do need a syringe or needle tip bottle to fill.
They're also a bit more expensive than the typical poly-fill carto (but last for many refills). The junkie like stigma of a syringe and needle drives some people bonkers. Never bothered me...I grew up in a town where the pharmacists and doctors donated tons of them for every arts and crafts project we ever did as kids...we used them from everything from oiling the wheels on our skate-boards, to glueing our model kits back together. it never occured to us they were only for delivering dope LOL.

 

[hairball]

Are you going to off them on ECF? If so, you have to register as a supplier.

Out of the 2, I use both and like both for different reasons. If you are going to offer either one, I would suggest manual batteries for both models. Newbies have a tendency to kill autos with juice and I don't think you want that headache with all the complaining that come with it.