Non Kanger KR808D-1 battery at LeCig.com

[DonDaBoomVape]

When Vendors give pv models different names than what they actually "are" it is extremely confusing. It would be much easier if all vendors used a standard naming convention.

Portions of this thread should be remade into a new sticky that clearly explain the difference between the kr8-1 and E9 along with pictures. Thanks to everyone here that has taken the time to clarify and explain the difference. DonDaBoomVape is definitely the kr8 guru and has my utmost respect.

Thank you, Cielo! But I ain't flawless, e.g., I made a major gaff in the WWV Illustrated Guide: incorrectly claiming that Leaford loved the GreenCig, rather than Green Smoke (among other E9 brand names). I was so embarassed by it, I resolved to become clear about all these cartomizer thingies. I have been partially successful.

V9 is E9, e.g., LoongTotem's LTV9. I think E9 is the more generic nomenclature.

The Nebula is just VaporNine's brand name for the Kr8, just as Vapor King is Vapor4Life's brand name.

 

[Viv Savage]

Further clarification: KR808D-2 (or simply D-2) is the name LeCig gives the E9 model (e.g., Green Smoke, Smoke51 DUO, Loong Totem, Vapure, Red Dragon...). KR808D-1 is the model # Kanger assigned to the model most ECF members* use and which most ECF participating suppliers* sell (under myriad brand names). LeCig and NHaler are the only suppliers I know of who sell the KR808D-1 and E9 models (and they both also sell GreenCig).

kr8-1 and kr8-2 are not compatible! The threads are different and the cartomizers and chargers are not interchangeable.

If those statements above are true.

And it is true that the Nebula is a KR808D-1 (which is what I am hearing from the VaporNine crowd).

Then, this cannot be true:

V9 is E9, e.g., LoongTotem's LTV9. I think E9 is the more generic nomenclature.

As you just suggested Don, I have also come to the conclusion that both VaporNine and V9 are just brand names created by Ben of VaporNine.

However...
(1) if the Nebula is a KR808D-1
(2) and the E9 is the same as a KR808D-2
(3) and the KR808D-1 and KR808D-2 are different models and incompatible
THEN
(4) the Nebula (a.k.a. the V9) cannot be an E9

Either that, or the Nebula (a.k.a. the V9) is a KR808D-2 after all... but all I've ever heard from anyone is that it's a D-1.

I dunno... it's like pulling teeth trying to get an answer over there (all I got was a "haha... V9=VaporNine", which is about as helpful as saying "Coke=Coca-Cola"):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapornine/59993-ben-what-model-nebula.html

 

[Juan]

... I didnt really understand it very well... I hope Ben from Vapornine can explain the confusion!...

 

[Cielo]

I think that many vendors have no idea what the actual model is. The reason is because my kr808D-2 was given to me in a box stating that it was a kr808D-1 as my photo shows on page one. I would bet that the only people that can truly answer the question is kanger. While not confirmed, the following quote from page two seems to make sense:

@Cielo, that kit in your picture is by Kanger, the new battery does look weird to me.
Also, the Smoke51 model is called the KR808D-1P. (Kanger told me this)

If Kanger calls their kr808D-2 which could possibly be the kr808D-1P but actually labels the box as a kr808D-1 then this would certainly create a LOT of confusion. The only way to know for sure if the Nebula is a V9 aka kr8-d2 or the kr8-1 is to order it and try it out.

 

[leaford]

The V9 is the LoongTotem V9, once sold by Smoke51 and ePuffer. The E9 is the V9 clone sold by e-cig.com, and once sold by Bloog, Red Dragon and others. The Vapor King is a KR808D-1, and the Nebula WAS a KR808D-1, but I read that he was switching to an identical model not made by Kanger. Bloog, Smoke51, and ePuffer used to sell V9s or E9s but switched to a KR808D-1 with V9/E9 compatible threads.

Or that used to be the score, any of the above except for the Vapor King may have changed in the last few months, and I wouldn't know.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[olderthandirt]

When Vendors give pv models different names than what they actually "are" it is extremely confusing. It would be much easier if all vendors used a standard naming convention.

Portions of this thread should be remade into a new sticky that clearly explain the difference between the kr8-1 and E9 along with pictures. Thanks to everyone here that has taken the time to clarify and explain the difference. DonDaBoomVape is definitely the kr8 guru and has my utmost respect.

Priceless.

Just read through this thread.

Cielo, I beat the "Down with re-branding" drum occasionally. Have done so since March of last year.

This thread, IMO, thoroughly supports my feelings regarding re-branding.
A vendor can call a device anything they want to BUT... if the actual manufacture and model is not clearly stated along with whatever name they have chosen to use, that vendor will see no trade from me.

Good luck ya'll

 

[Guineahill]

olderthandirt - I concur!!!

If the vendor doesn't tell me what their product actually is am less than impressed. I want to KNOW what I am getting.

 

[2Packsaday]

How about this straight forward question. Does anyone sell a battery that will fit the GreenSmoke cartomizer for a decent price? I am not going to pay $49 for a battery. I don't care if it is manual or automatic.

 

[Cielo]

duplicate post

 

[Cielo]

How about this straight forward question. Does anyone sell a battery that will fit the GreenSmoke cartomizer for a decent price? I am not going to pay $49 for a battery. I don't care if it is manual or automatic.

I have some GreenSmoke cartomizers from smoke51 and they fit fine on LeCigs kr808D-2. They sell the batteries for 16$. I didnt like greensmoke cartomizers at least the ones that smoke51 sold me, they had no taste or TH. (I would highly recommend to try one of Lecigs empty cartomizers so you can see the difference)

Thanks Leaford and Olderthandirt for your replies. How can we get these vendors to "conform" to a standard naming convention? It would only serve to increase sales for them since many people will pick up spare parts here and there while making juice orders to save on postage. I know that I would...

 

[2Packsaday]

Thanks Cielo. You have helped me quite a bit on many posts in the last weeks. You are a tremendous resource for us all.

 

[Drewsworld]

The Kr808D-1 is made by Kanger and is known by many names...Kr8(Kreight), VaporKing,Nebula,V9,DP1,and More

GreenCig is NOT compatible with Greensmoke but is compatible with most auto KR808D-1 batteries and will work on the Manual batts with an adapter

The E-9 Originally Manufactured and coined by E-Cig China, has been sold by Loongtotem as the V9, and sold by many other names like SMoke51,DpV9,Greensmoke,Kr808D-2,E-Puffer



NOW these two mentioned are not compatible...However Kanger who recently started manufacturing batteries that are compatible with with the E-9s but are not compatible with the KR808D-1 Batteries,chargers and cartomizers...Hope this helps...
Drew

 

[leaford]

The E-9 Originally Manufactured and coined by E-Cig China, has been sold by Loongtotem as the V9, and sold by many other names like SMoke51,DpV9,Greensmoke,Kr808D-2,E-Puffer

Sorry, Drew, but that's wrong. LoongTotem had the LTv9 for many many months before E-cig.com came out with their cloned version, which they called the New Mini Cig, and later renamed the E9. Credit where credit is due, LoongTotem created the disposable cartomizer type first, and E-cig.com copied it.

 

[Drewsworld]

Actually Leaford, you may be right about Loong Before E-Cig, however GreenCig (GreenworldTechnologies)owns the patent on the cartomizer and the PCC in China and were the originator of the atomized cartridge and the personal charging case....Loongtotem was the most horrible QC and Customer Service ever I think and had very little stock on hand...In fact I allways thought they were just a middleman because they were so BAD!!!
Good to see you around...You still in China????
Drew

 

[leaford]

Sure am, Drew.

And Greencig's first "disposable" doesn't really count as a cartomizer, it was just a 901 type atomizer with the cartridge attached to the atomizer.

That was why I was against the whole disposable atomizer idea at first. It just seemed completely wasteful, until I saw that the LTv9 had a completely different construction.

 

[Drewsworld]

Sure am, Drew.

And Greencig's first "disposable" doesn't really count as a cartomizer, it was just a 901 type atomizer with the cartridge attached to the atomizer.

That was why I was against the whole disposable atomizer idea at first. It just seemed completely wasteful, until I saw that the LTv9 had a completely different construction.

I actually have a box of them and they are patented as an atomized cartridge...Hence the term Cartomizer...They are very similar to their original design which in my opinion is the best around...Still it could use some tweeking and a better flavor selection but they seem to take a little more time to make changes...The Loongtotem or whatever design has the burning issue that has never been effectively controled or repaired but has improved quite a bit ...BTW hows the weather in China this time of Year??? Thanks
Drew

 

[Cielo]

Hi drew, glad to see you here too

This is by far one of the most informative and interesting threads, imo. You are all fortunate to have been able to witness the changes since the first conception of the pv.

Could I ask a favor that someone start a nostalgia thread documenting the changes as far as manufactures/models/products which can be updated as new advancements are made. I know that many of you are actively involved with making pv's a better product. Five/ten years from now it will certainly be an interesting read.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

Whew! I am so glad I put that "kr8 guru" appellation to rest before Leaford and Drew showed up. Folks, they are the cartomizer gurus! And wasn't listening in on their exchange interesting?! Kinda like Dueling Banjos.

If those statements above are true.

And it is true that the Nebula is a KR808D-1 (which is what I am hearing from the VaporNine crowd).

Then, this cannot be true:

As you just suggested Don, I have also come to the conclusion that both VaporNine and V9 are just brand names created by Ben of VaporNine.

However...
(1) if the Nebula is a KR808D-1
(2) and the E9 is the same as a KR808D-2
(3) and the KR808D-1 and KR808D-2 are different models and incompatible
THEN
(4) the Nebula (a.k.a. the V9) cannot be an E9

Either that, or the Nebula (a.k.a. the V9) is a KR808D-2 after all... but all I've ever heard from anyone is that it's a D-1.

I dunno... it's like pulling teeth trying to get an answer over there (all I got was a "haha... V9=VaporNine", which is about as helpful as saying "Coke=Coca-Cola"):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapornine/59993-ben-what-model-nebula.html

'V9' is to VaporNine as "V4L" is to Vapor4Life, i.e., an abbreviation of the supplier name, not the model name.

The Nebula (model brand name) is a Kr8, not an E9 or V9. That is, Nebula cartomizers and batteries will work with Vapor King or CigEasy or D1 or NHaler KR808D-1, etc. batteries and cartomizers ... but not with D2, Green Smoke, Smoke51 DUO, et at. And GreenCig is another beast entirely (it is partially compatible with Kr8).

OK?

As for getting suppliers to be transparent in their branding – Hey folks, I call this the GobbleGook, but that's just my brand name for the ABC123 – take a look at the Vapy Award winning suppliers (1st, 2nd, and 3rd place in all three supplier categories). They all make no bones about what models they sell. Truth, Justice, and the American Way win out!

 

[lorikay13]

Could someone please just tell me what kind of battery the kr808d-1 IS??? Ni-CD , LI-Ion....what IS it?
And if I have a KR808d-1 with a 380maH capacity how much current do I need to charge it? IE: I want to be able to charge several at one time and just want to know if I need to use AC current or can I just put several of them on my 2.0 USB PC ports with NO backup AC power to the USB hub?

 

[Viv Savage]

Thank you ALL for your knowledge, expertise, and help. You're all AWESOME.

This is by far one of the most informative and interesting threads, imo.

As for me, while those two adjectives most certainly apply here, I would have sooner described this thread as frustrating and disheartening. To me, this thread just reflects a sad state of affairs for E-Cig Nation. Outside of this virtual world, I know more about electronic cigarettes than anyone I personally know "off line". So the fact that I - someone who literally has been reading about e-cigs every single day for 4 months now - had to spend so much time and energy trying to decipher this mess (and I would probably have to log on to the internet and find this thread anytime I wanted to regurgitate any of it to anyone else), just means to me that anyone who might be interested in trying electronic cigarettes but would never be interested in the internet (or DIY) sub-culture, would be essentially deterred by the research required to maintain their equipment. (After all, every cigarette and lighter are compatible.) I realize this is par for the course at this stage of the game... but it just tells me that until e-cigs truly go mainstream, this type of confusion is only going to hinder the electronic cigarette movement.

Anyway, sorry to be a downer about it. I truly do appreciate the information, education, and time & energy any of you take to sit down and type out any explanations on here.