I've been wondering when someone would connect those dots. That said, Vapor Station uses Tabanon(e) (and tobacco essential oils) and I think they use it in a fantastic way, i.e., light hand.
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I've been wondering when someone would connect those dots. That said, Vapor Station uses Tabanon(e) (and tobacco essential oils) and I think they use it in a fantastic way, i.e., light hand.
I like it's but it really strong and has a distinct flavor I use it in my K55 but I only use 2 drops in a 60 ml bottle any more than that and it will over power the rest of the flavors
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Both my husband and myself (at this point) absolutely despise it...and we find zero similarity between the flavor of M-type and ANYthing we've ever smoked. That being said, we realize 'taste is subjective' and we are not 'closed' on the flavor (because we know that if so many people buy it, it must have SOME attribute)...
Here's what they say:
>>>This is a very nice tobacco flavor, the closest that we offer to the real thing. based on the molecule Tabanon (a.k.a Tabanone). We are not using Tabanone from China, since the purity of the product does not seem to be as high as the Tabanon from Symrise (Germany)....This is a strong flavor, try at 8% (or even 4%) and let it age (see the review below)...Tabanone is an important tobacco note molecule, and it appears in many tobacco blends used for flavoring tobacco, but it is not used in flavoring foods for eating.
This is why this flavor is in the Non-Food category <<<
In our opinion, it is not at ALL close to the "real thing", nor does it taste anything like real tobacco (smoked, vaped, or eaten). Perhaps if a tobacco bale was left in the rainforest for a few months until it started to rot, mold, and sprout fungus...and was then dried, smoked & charred (and then extracted into a vape-flavor), it would taste like that "real thing" :::scary stuff:::
One cannot extract one (or several) individual molecules from hundreds (thousands) of the various chemicals, phyto-chemicals, co-factors and fiber, and expect it to taste like the whole plant/leaf. That doesn't mean it can't be utilized, worked-into-a-recipe, or even enjoyed by itself (by those appreciating it's uniqueness). But tobacco it ain't!
Agreed - we sense nothing nut-like.
When we first discovered Highbrow, we ordered quite a few small bottles of 'other' and read the reviews on their Tobaccos. Af vaping what we had and reading the reviews, we thought, "What we have is phenomenally awesome, so their Tobacco line must kick-...." -- and we ordered 4 different 30ml bottles. When we got them we were blown away (not in a good way). Whatever they use besides the M-type seems to be fantastic, but they are saturated in M-type...even after a month steeping, we can't even tolerate the smell
We guessed (erroneously) it was TA that was the overwhelming taste - until we got our TFA M-type (and the Absolute blend - which reeks of cotton candy :::argh::: ). But at least we know now. I wish there was some way to erase M-type in those juices - the other flavors with them seem so good.
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I'm lovin' the idea of using one drop of M-type per 5ml of base - and then adding that to other tobacco flavors. We're working on "tobaccos" the rest of the week-end, so hopefully we'll have a chance to work that in.
Great thread! I wish it would have been here for us to read back in April!
That's the understatement of the decade! :::grin:::
Here's what they say:
>>>This is a very nice tobacco flavor, the closest that we offer to the real thing. based on the molecule Tabanon (a.k.a Tabanone). We are not using Tabanone from China, since the purity of the product does not seem to be as high as the Tabanon from Symrise (Germany)....This is a strong flavor, try at 8% (or even 4%) and let it age (see the review below)...Tabanone is an important tobacco note molecule, and it appears in many tobacco blends used for flavoring tobacco, but it is not used in flavoring foods for eating.
This is why this flavor is in the Non-Food category <<<
In our opinion, it is not at ALL close to the "real thing", nor does it taste anything like real tobacco (smoked, vaped, or eaten). Perhaps if a tobacco bale was left in the rainforest for a few months until it started to rot, mold, and sprout fungus...and was then dried, smoked & charred (and then extracted into a vape-flavor), it would taste like that "real thing" :::scary stuff:::
One cannot extract one (or several) individual molecules from hundreds (thousands) of the various chemicals, phyto-chemicals, co-factors and fiber, and expect it to taste like the whole plant/leaf. That doesn't mean it can't be utilized, worked-into-a-recipe, or even enjoyed by itself (by those appreciating it's uniqueness). But tobacco it ain't!
Right now, we've got bottles made up of .5, 1, 2.5 & 5%...and to us, the .5% is an overwhelmingly strong beast that overpowers anything & everything.
Woohoo! Now that just may be a possibility for us! We can see how it has the potential to add "a certain something" in the way of depth and/or character...but even at .5% it just overwhelms us.
Agreed - we sense nothing nut-like.
Agreed!
When we first discovered Highbrow, we ordered quite a few small bottles of 'other' and read the reviews on their Tobaccos. Af vaping what we had and reading the reviews, we thought, "What we have is phenomenally awesome, so their Tobacco line must kick-...." -- and we ordered 4 different 30ml bottles. When we got them we were blown away (not in a good way). Whatever they use besides the M-type seems to be fantastic, but they are saturated in M-type...even after a month steeping, we can't even tolerate the smell
We guessed (erroneously) it was TA that was the overwhelming taste - until we got our TFA M-type (and the Absolute blend - which reeks of cotton candy :::argh::: ). But at least we know now. I wish there was some way to erase M-type in those juices - the other flavors with them seem so good.
Two more dot connectors here! I'd think it'd be obvious to any DIYer that had a bottle of M-type...but apparently not.
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I'm lovin' the idea of using one drop of M-type per 5ml of base - and then adding that to other tobacco flavors. We're working on "tobaccos" the rest of the week-end, so hopefully we'll have a chance to work that in.
Great thread! I wish it would have been here for us to read back in April!
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Both my husband and myself (at this point) absolutely despise it...and we find zero similarity between the flavor of M-type and ANYthing we've ever smoked. That being said, we realize 'taste is subjective' and we are not 'closed' on the flavor (because we know that if so many people buy it, it must have SOME attribute)...
That's the understatement of the decade! :::grin:::
Here's what they say:
>>>This is a very nice tobacco flavor, the closest that we offer to the real thing. based on the molecule Tabanon (a.k.a Tabanone). We are not using Tabanone from China, since the purity of the product does not seem to be as high as the Tabanon from Symrise (Germany)....This is a strong flavor, try at 8% (or even 4%) and let it age (see the review below)...Tabanone is an important tobacco note molecule, and it appears in many tobacco blends used for flavoring tobacco, but it is not used in flavoring foods for eating.
This is why this flavor is in the Non-Food category <<<
In our opinion, it is not at ALL close to the "real thing", nor does it taste anything like real tobacco (smoked, vaped, or eaten). Perhaps if a tobacco bale was left in the rainforest for a few months until it started to rot, mold, and sprout fungus...and was then dried, smoked & charred (and then extracted into a vape-flavor), it would taste like that "real thing" :::scary stuff:::
One cannot extract one (or several) individual molecules from hundreds (thousands) of the various chemicals, phyto-chemicals, co-factors and fiber, and expect it to taste like the whole plant/leaf. That doesn't mean it can't be utilized, worked-into-a-recipe, or even enjoyed by itself (by those appreciating it's uniqueness). But tobacco it ain't!
Right now, we've got bottles made up of .5, 1, 2.5 & 5%...and to us, the .5% is an overwhelmingly strong beast that overpowers anything & everything.
Woohoo! Now that just may be a possibility for us! We can see how it has the potential to add "a certain something" in the way of depth and/or character...but even at .5% it just overwhelms us.
Agreed - we sense nothing nut-like.
Agreed!
When we first discovered Highbrow, we ordered quite a few small bottles of 'other' and read the reviews on their Tobaccos. Af vaping what we had and reading the reviews, we thought, "What we have is phenomenally awesome, so their Tobacco line must kick-...." -- and we ordered 4 different 30ml bottles. When we got them we were blown away (not in a good way). Whatever they use besides the M-type seems to be fantastic, but they are saturated in M-type...even after a month steeping, we can't even tolerate the smell
We guessed (erroneously) it was TA that was the overwhelming taste - until we got our TFA M-type (and the Absolute blend - which reeks of cotton candy :::argh::: ). But at least we know now. I wish there was some way to erase M-type in those juices - the other flavors with them seem so good.
Two more dot connectors here! I'd think it'd be obvious to any DIYer that had a bottle of M-type...but apparently not.
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I'm lovin' the idea of using one drop of M-type per 5ml of base - and then adding that to other tobacco flavors. We're working on "tobaccos" the rest of the week-end, so hopefully we'll have a chance to work that in.
Great thread! I wish it would have been here for us to read back in April!
Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic! Very entertaining.
When I first got TFA M type, I mixed it at 10% expecting a tobacco flavor. What I ended up with was like vaping pure turpentine. It was seriously bad, the worst DIY mix I have made to date. And it ruined an Evod. I tried diluting it but it was still horrible. Haven't tried it since and don't plan to. I gag when I think about it.
I have also been wanting to make TFA M-type work. I have not tried any other brands. To anyone who has TFA & another brand of M-type: is the difference obvious, or does one just seem more concentrated?
I feel that I like what M-type "wants" to taste like, but hate what it ends up tasting like. The nuttiness is crazy even at a drop in 5mL.
I have been adding Hangsen's Turkish (also nutty to me full-on) at just a couple drops to "dirty up" tobacco flavors that are too clean or sweet, but I can't get the hang of doing it with M-type.
I feel that I like what M-type "wants" to taste like, but hate what it ends up tasting like. The nuttiness is crazy even at a drop in 5mL.
I have been adding Hangsen's Turkish (also nutty to me full-on) at just a couple drops to "dirty up" tobacco flavors that are too clean or sweet, but I can't get the hang of doing it with M-type.
Yeah, Tabanon (M-Type flavoring) wasn't really meant to be a stand-alone tobacco flavor. It was mostly used by the tobacco industry to add authentic (nature indentical) Turkish tobacco components to flue cured tobacco, to make the flue cured taste like a flue cured/Turkish blend.
deleted post - I wrote a review of M-Type, when in fact I was reviewing "American Red" flavor from TFA (also known as "Red Type) ... duh!
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The recommendation I read here in the DIY forum said to start at 1% for M-Type. So far I like it at 2-3% once it's steeped, but it's still pretty strong. I added .05% Tobacco Absolute too, though. I've been playing around with adding just enough TFA Double RY4 to smooth it out without actually tasting the DRY4 (I'm still just winging it, but around 1% I think). I have some hard to source top shelf lignin derived vanillin on the way to try in a similar way.
I would think 10% is way WAY too strong for M-Type. 5% would still be way too strong for me.
I think it was at somewhere around 2% M-Type mixed with maybe .02% Tobacco Absolute where it was almost a dead ringer for Hangsen Desert Ship...sweet and mild believe it or not. Actually a little bit too sweet for my tastes, which is why I upped everything a bit.
Long term, for my purposes, I see M-Type more as source of Turkish tobacco character to be used in more complex blends rather than as a stand-alone flavor. That's what it was designed to do and that is the way the tobacco industry uses it (it's really called Tabanon and is made by the Symrise company in Germany. I think "M-Type" is just Perfumer's Apprentice's name for it). It has been in use at least since the 80's (Symrise was then known as Dragoco) .
I would think 10% is way WAY too strong for M-Type. 5% would still be way too strong for me.
I think it was at somewhere around 2% M-Type mixed with maybe .02% Tobacco Absolute where it was almost a dead ringer for Hangsen Desert Ship...sweet and mild believe it or not. Actually a little bit too sweet for my tastes, which is why I upped everything a bit.
Long term, for my purposes, I see M-Type more as source of Turkish tobacco character to be used in more complex blends rather than as a stand-alone flavor. That's what it was designed to do and that is the way the tobacco industry uses it (it's really called Tabanon and is made by the Symrise company in Germany. I think "M-Type" is just Perfumer's Apprentice's name for it). It has been in use at least since the 80's (Symrise was then known as Dragoco) .
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Just thought I should update....I now find 2-3% way too strong for M-Type and would even probably recommend starting at .5% to 1%, especially when mixing with other flavors. I don't know if it's prolonged steeping or what, but it gets very bitter and allows almost no flavor through at 3%. I had to dilute my pre-mixed bottle of M-Type and Tobacco Albsolute base down to about 1% M-Type and .01% TA to get other flavors to have any effect in a mix.
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