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Tom Fuller

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If you have both the 510 inline voltmeter and a box ohm reader, you already have what you need to measure battery voltage and measure coil resistance. A digital multimeter will do both and more, but is not as convenient to use.

Someone more knowledgeable than I should give their opinion on digital multimeters. I know the Fluke brand is well respected as an accurate/precise DMM, but they are quite expensive.

I am an electrical engineer by trade and yes the flukes are good but like most devices have quality ranges. The bottom and $20 meter is not accurate enough. The black box meters show three decimal point readings. I don't own one so I don't know how correct they are but they have the potential for accuracy to the thousandth.


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I was thinking it would be great to get a decent inexpensive digital and add a couple clips to check resistance before mounting a coil to a dripper. I have been playing with some Nichrome and Rene wire and wanted to check them before I even thought about bolting them to a mod.

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Battery drop off happens very gradually while the battery discharges during use in a mechanical mod. It is so gradual that you wouldn't notice it unless you put in a fully charged battery for comparison. Over time, most of us learn from experience what a low voltage battery performs like. Until then, to prevent over-discharge of the battery during use, you should use an inline voltage indicator or digital multimeter to periodically check your battery's voltage while in use.

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Discharging a battery below 3.2 volts is bad for the battery. Most batteries can not recover if allowed to drain past 2.5 volts, and will require special chargers which can revive an over-discharged battery. Investing in a top notch charger is worth the investment. Also, unless you have money to invest in a new battery every couple of days, avoid over-discharging your batteries.

All coils, especially sub-ohm coils can change resistance over time. Minute changes in tenths of an ohm can become critical to your safety with sub-ohm coils. A small ohm reader such as this one is simple to check the resistance and is also handy to make your builds on.

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If you are going to be rebuilding coils, do it right & safely with the basic tools required. The above are absolutely required.

Sub-ohm coils and a battery failure is nothing to take lightly. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/573973-what-do-case-failure.html

I have a potentially dumb question lol Are the digital readouts on a regulated mod reliable? All I have is an ohm reader so when I use my mech mod and I notice the battery is getting low I throw it in my SID and check the volts and go from there. Is that ok to be doing? Also, I heard from a friend that putting a battery on the charger early (Say 3.7V) is bad for the battery and can cause damage or keep it from holding a proper charge. Is there any truth in this? I would like to maximize the life of my batteries the best as possible. Generally I put them on the charger around 3.3v-3.5v.
 

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I have a potentially dumb question lol Are the digital readouts on a regulated mod reliable? All I have is an ohm reader so when I use my mech mod and I notice the battery is getting low I throw it in my SID and check the volts and go from there. Is that ok to be doing? Also, I heard from a friend that putting a battery on the charger early (Say 3.7V) is bad for the battery and can cause damage or keep it from holding a proper charge. Is there any truth in this? I would like to maximize the life of my batteries the best as possible. Generally I put them on the charger around 3.3v-3.5v.

Lion batteries DON'T have a memory per se. You are however limited to the number of charge discharge cycles a battery can endure. Basically the battery holds a little less power potential every time it is charged/discharged. So to get the most life/usage out of the battery I recharge at 3-3.3V


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A gentleman named Robert Ellis does a not too long but good and thorough video on mechanical mods and safety. The video let's you know everything you need to get started with mechanical mods. I think what people are trying to tell you is that if you don't know the basics regarding mechanical mods, such as when to tell by experience when voltage has dropped up, by things such a somewhat subtle but noticeable change in vapor production, a difference in the sounds of your coils firing, etc., then you are facing significant risks with sub-ohming. While the concept of using a mechanical mod is just essentially using a personal vaporizer that contains no electrical circuits, sub-ohming is essentially pushing your battery to the limits. Every battery has a different amp limit, exceeding that at too fast of a rate can cause catastrophic consequences. If your battery goes into melt down and starts heating up too quickly, fails to vent properly it essentially becomes a pipe bomb. Hence the extreme warnings of caution you find on this thread. With a regulated mod you are able to monitor your resistance, and due the circuitry when the battery becomes too long to fire at the required volts it simply doesn't preform anymore. With a regulated mod the circuitry controls things such as voltage/watt output. Since a true mech has no such circuitry, the resistance is up to the build you put in to it and the batteries you put into it. Depending upon the build, theoritically you could be vaping at much higher watts then some of the more powerful regulated mods out there like the Duke and Raptor even.
It's good that you have the Sony vtc5's which have an amp limit of 35a I believe, because not all batteries, even "IMR", high drain batteries are created equally.

Then there's the whole matter of shorts, hotspots, things of that nature. You will need to be able to trouble shoot common problems that arise when building your own coils. If you are not familiar with how to do so it is important to know how to, any adjustment you make to your coils has the potential to significant alter your resistance, and when sub-ohming you need to know to the hundred if not thousandth what your build is IMHO. I really hope you give this considerable thought before you go forward with the sub-ohming, and purchase all of the necessary equipment to monitor your battery condition. If you batteries get the least bit damaged, such as the plastic covering, discard them correctly and immediately.

I just woke up and the above was a challenge in and of itself to produce. If I think of more I will include it later, good luck!
Just wanted to add that under sub-ohming conditions, just like with increased wattage you will go through the e-liquid much faster! Your builds have the potential to produce much more vapor and thus lower nicotine levels are typically needed. You could notice a drastic difference in flavor on some of your liquids as well.
 

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While I'm sure your intent is well meaning, assuming and telling someone to "stop watching cloud chasing videos...." sounds a bit condescending and off putting. It would to me anyways and then I'd prob just think I knew what I needed to know and do what I wanted anyways, at least the younger version of me would! Just my two cents. Focusing on education and awareness alone as well as diplomatically voicing opinions and experience is a much better tactic to get people to take you seriously IMO. Vape on!
 
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While I'm sure your intent is well meaning assuming and telling someone to "stop watching cloud chasing videos...." sounds a bit condescending and off putting. It would to me anyways and then I'd prob just think I knew what I needed to know and do what I wanted anyways, at least the younger version of me would! Just my two cents. Focusing on education and awareness alone as well as diplomatically voicing opinions, experience is a much better tactic to get people to take you seriously IMO. Vape on!


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Perhaps the vapors are getting to me....lol or rather I haven't consumed enough yet is most likely. Please accept my most humble apologies, I shall load up this dripper on my 5000 watt device that's hooked up to an old nebulizer face mask. Please check back later! Ha! ;)
 

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You know what else could cause a noticeable drop off in battery performance? A short.

Did you know that if you left a sub ohm mechanical mod in in your jeans pocket and it accidentally got stuck with the firing pin down you could lose your manhood? Building coils especially sub-ohm coils should be treated with a little respect, before you bought that mod or the atty you should have bought a multimeter or at the very least a little 20 dollar ohm reader.

Did you know that just because you build a .5 ohm coil that resistance could change over time? How would you know without an ohm reader?

Yes i did know that and i have an ohm meter and i would never put a mech in my pocket ? Haha


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You know what else could cause a noticeable drop off in battery performance? A short.

Did you know that if you left a sub ohm mechanical mod in in your jeans pocket and it accidentally got stuck with the firing pin down you could lose your manhood? Building coils especially sub-ohm coils should be treated with a little respect, before you bought that mod or the atty you should have bought a multimeter or at the very least a little 20 dollar ohm reader.

Did you know that just because you build a .5 ohm coil that resistance could change over time? How would you know without an ohm reader?

In my experience a coil does not ever decrease in resistance from its lowest reading, yes I know you can work out a maybe a drop equal to 5% of your original reading with a bit of positioning and coil compression, but from then on I've only seen ohms increase not decrease.

Your post seems focused on potential dangerous situations, so I may be perceiving what you wrote in a wrong light. I assume you mean the change in resistance could make for a more dangerous situation. How?

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Perhaps the vapors are getting to me....lol or rather I haven't consumed enough yet is most likely. Please accept my most humble apologies, I shall load up this dripper on my 5000 watt device that's hooked up to an old nebulizer face mask. Please check back later! Ha! ;)

Be careful Feignix, I've heard that anything over 4000 watts can get snarly fast :matrix:


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Exactly. It runs off of a couple of stacked Pruis batts and I've even converted a few Innokin DRV's for when companies over! ;) Ryedan, oh no, we make a special juice blend that can withstand higher watts. I'm thinking of taking an old hardcase Samsonite case on wheels and turning it into a roll around mod box, complete with juice and attachment storage! Anyone up for preorders??? I promise if you send me your money you will have a working model by the time the idiots get out of Washington and the FDA comes to it's senses!
 

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Exactly. It runs off of a couple of stacked Pruis batts and I've even converted a few Innokin DRV's for when companies over! ;) Ryedan, oh no, we make a special juice blend that can withstand higher watts. I'm thinking of taking an old hardcase Samsonite case on wheels and turning it into a roll around mod box, complete with juice and attachment storage! Anyone up for preorders??? I promise if you send me your money you will have a working model by the time the idiots get out of Washington and the FDA comes to it's senses!

Ill take three :)


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Exactly. It runs off of a couple of stacked Pruis batts and I've even converted a few Innokin DRV's for when companies over! ;) Ryedan, oh no, we make a special juice blend that can withstand higher watts. I'm thinking of taking an old hardcase Samsonite case on wheels and turning it into a roll around mod box, complete with juice and attachment storage! Anyone up for preorders??? I promise if you send me your money you will have a working model by the time the idiots get out of Washington and the FDA comes to it's senses!

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