Let's make a list of juices/flavors that crack tanks, ce2's/clearos...

[my4jewels]

UPDATE

My aim is to compile a list of juice and flavorings that may cause problems as far as cracking polycarbonate tanks. Anything listed here may cause your polycarbonate tank to crack. I am primarily focused on the polycarbonate tanks, although this info may apply to other tanks.

Polypropylene is my personal choice for tank tubing because it it inexpensive and durable. This is the same material that is used to make syringes. Polypropylene tubing can be purchased here: McMaster-Carr. You can use 5/8"id x 3/4od for Liquinator tanks, Lil mama tanks, Big daddy tanks, Jtanks, and others. This tubing has a very slight curve to it, but will not be noticeable when cut to a short length. You can see a pic of a tank I made using this tubing with Liquinator endcaps here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-mods/259319-heres-pic-my-polypropylene-tank.html

The popular DCTanks can now be found made from polypropylene tubing, and they come in 8 colors. Polypropylene will not crack from a chemical reaction from using juices on this list. For some reason, vendors are not stating the fact that these are made from polypropylene. IMO this is an excellent selling point that they are missing... These tanks can be used with some XL cartos, or they can be easily cut down to fit a standard sized carto, my personal preference.

There is also a thread here on ecf which will show you how to make your own "syringe tank mod". http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...756-homemade-syringe-tank-mod-looks-easy.html

I am personally not familiar with the Vision Stardust type tanks. From what I hear, they are polycarbonate and folks seem to be having the same issues with cracking/frosting.

Also, bear in mind that different vendors may use different ingredients to make the same flavors. So, a flavored e juice you get from one vendor that is safe for yout tank may not be safe from another vendor, or vice versa. For instance, I have no trouble at all with VaporGod strawberry kiwi, but Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake will probably crack a polycarbonate tank. Also, just because a certain juice may crack my polycarbonate tank, it may not crack yours. I don't know why... Clear as mud, huh?

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. Contributions have been made by myself and other members. So far we have:

Any juice that has:

Sour flavors
Malic acid
Citrus acid
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay
Wintergreen juice or flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake, snickerdoodle
KBV Hummingbird nectar
mimosa(because of the orange)
cola(because of cinnamon)?
Vapor Renu Teaberry, cherry vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Vapor Renu Mt. Dew baha blast and Strawberry limeade
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in vg liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake
Nutmeg
Clove oil
Mt. Dew flavoring
TPA Cinnamon Danish flavoring
Sassafras
Rawrvapor Hawaii Sunrise
TPA Vanilla Custard flavoring
Tasty Vapor Cherry Cola
Vixen Vapor Rootbeer
TPA Pineapple flavoring
TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream flavoring
Vaporgod Licorice
VAL Goddess
Lorann Butter Rum flavor
Alien Vision's Pineapple Pulp
ECBlend's Gingerbread, double flavor
Virgin Vapor Luscious Lime
TPA Spearmint flavoring
Honeysuckle
Vaporbomb Fire 'n Ice(cracked tank, melted rubber drip tip)
Honeysuckle
Vaporbomb Sweet Cherry
Vaporbomb Green Apple
Vaporbomb Sun Kissed
Vaporbomb Hot Cinnamon Candy
Vaporbomb Sweet Cinnamon Red Hots
Lorann Peppermint oil
Elixirliquids Gummibear
Elixirliquids Heaven and Hell(cinnamon with menhtol)
Elixirliquids Rage(hot cinnamon)
Elixirliquids Deathday Cake
Elixirliquids Cinnamon Death
DIY Gummibear(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
Elixirliquids Rage(hot cinnamon)
Ectoplasm
Lorann Butterscotch
HellaVapor's Raspberry Winta-green
Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry Candy(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
Ecblends banana
Timmy's Double Double from Juicy Clear
Ecblends Apple Pie
Ecblends Cinnamon Apple
DIY Flavorshack Tangerine
Mrs. T's Strawberry Lemonade
TPA RY4 Double Flavoring
TPA Rootbeer Flavoring
ECBlends Rootbeer
Vape Dude's Lemonade
V2Cig's Menthol
V4L WOW Peppermint Nobacco
Juicy Vapor Vanilla Cola
Tasty Vapor Sherbet



Perfumer's Apprentice lists triactetin as in ingredient in some of their flavors, so be sure to check that out.

With so many folks using tanks nowadays, let's all contribute here!!

Disclaimer: These are not "bad" juices. They just have the potential to cause cracking in tank systems using polycarbonate tubing.

I will be puting this list into alphabetized categories soon. I realize it is getting long and may be difficult to find what you're looking for.

 

[my4jewels]

Sorry, folks, I just haven't have the time to organize this list yet. Trust me, it's on my "to do" list. For now, at least I can manage to keep it updated periodically.

 

[probrian]

My wife's tank cracks, but it takes a while. We aren't sure if it is from usage (i.e. dropping, purse...) she uses Zikwid Zenthol though.

 

[my4jewels]

Well, polycarbonate is supposed to be bulletproof, so I don't think that the tube would crack from being kept in a purse or dropping a few times. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I'll add it to my list here at home. I update the list online when I have several to add.

 

[kelleymcm]

TPA Earl Grey Tea cracked a tank last night
....would make sense ...has Bergamont (orange family) in it I do believe .
I have used it off & on for months ??? But I guess I had never tried it in a clear tank ????

Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry Candy(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)

had this happen in the last week or so too ...melted the mouth pieces in stardusts

 

[sturner6]

You can add FLAVOURARTS TIRAMISU concentrated flavoring to the list. I used it in a VG/PG 50-50 mix and within 15 minutes it melted the drip tip on a NEW version of the Stardust (so much for their New & Improved plastic ). As much as I like the Stardust, I don't think much of the manufacturer...I think they are greedy and disrespectful of their customers to just be releasing poorly tested items, and then coming up with "new & improved" versions so fast you can't even order & receive one before it's been replaced by the next "new & improved" version!

But, on the other hand maybe it's a good thing...kind of like a "canary in a coal mine". I would much rather loose a cheap clearomizer than develop a respiratory problem from something that is unsafe in the flavorings. I mean, anything that is capable of melting plastic is not something you should be inhaling into your lungs! And anyting that is cracking plastic would fall into the same category, so contrary to what one posted said, if a flavor is damaging plastic, I think it's safe to assume it is NOT safe to be inhaling at all!

I mean isn't the whole reason people turn to e-cig's is to safeguard their health from the perils of smoking, and yet here we are inhaling god knows what because flavor manufacturers aren't even required to list the ingredients in their flavorings... NOT GOOD!

Really concerned about all of this...maybe the FDA has not been so far off target after all ??? Personally I'm thinking maybe it's time to just get real and quit looking at vaping as some safe, innocent panacea for smokers. Maybe it's time to realize that smoking AND vaping are both nasty habits, and if you are vaping, well you really haven't quit smoking at all...you still have your addiction and all the perils that go along with it.

Sorry if I offend...just my opinion.

 

[buffaloguy]

The FDA hasnt been on target since it was formed. They arent here either. I dont trust the government to tie my shoes right much less do whats right for people. They are all paid by big tobacco, period. Sturner, I get the concern and I share it. However, as freaked out as you may be, there is no science to suggest that flavorings arent safe to vape. Truth be told, logic says, most flavorings are either a PG or Alcohol base. PG has been used in inhalents since I believe the 1950's. Now seeing as PG is what most flavorings are made out of... I assume its safe. The majority of a flavoring is pg and it is flavor molecules that are infused in it.

Maybe I have no idea what Im talking about but the short story here is that something that is bad for us one day is good for us the next. Heck, a few months back they said nicotine is good for boosting memory in the elderly. Tomorrow they will say its toxic again.

You can always vape flavorless juice if you want to. I subscribe to the idea that there is risk in vaping and try to minimize it. Is there as much risk as smoking? Nope, I highly doubt it and those in the forums with health problems who switched to vaping and saw dramatic improvement are really a testament to that.

 

[sturner6]

Hi Buffaloguy,
I couldn't agree with you more about the FDA being off-target in many ways. I wasn't saying they were correct in their specific assessment of vaping but only that perhaps they were correct to question the safety of vaping (for whatever their motives were).

And I agree with you that PG is a safe ingredient. After-all, hospitals use it specifically in inhalators.

Nicotine...no way I agree. It is unhealthy drug and it is of course extremely addictive, and empirically proven to be more addictive than heroine!!! Any positive reports such as you mentioned (tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure), about elderly benefiting from it...well, I think you can guess who's behind such a "study", thank you very much to the makers of Marlboros, Winston, and all the other wonderful caring Big Tobacco boys.

My point has to do with flavorents, not PG, VG, or nicotine. I think it is kind of odd that manufacturers of foods, drugs, beverages, etc are REQUIRED by law to list ingredients, yet are NOT required to describe the composition of flavorants within those ingredients. I dont think there is one single Flavor House that list the components of their flavors (under the guise of being a trade secret). Contrary to what you implied, most flavorants are not simple naturally occurring flavor molecules but rather a chemical brew made in a laboratory, and bottom-line, some of them seem to cause hard plastics to disintegrate! Maybe the digestive system can cope with that, but whether or not the respiratory system can is a different matter.

I'm not a physician or biologist but it seems to me that if some component in flavorents is caustic enough to melt plastic, it should be of major concern whether such a caustic substance should be inhaled into the respiratory tract. The respiratory system is a very delicate system compared to the digestive tract. What's more there is very little feedback mechanism in it to let you know you've inhaled something you shouldn't, unlike the digestive system.

To the point, I can not think of one known substance that will disintegrate plastic that I would ingest or inhale without fear to my health. Would you drink a glass of acetone? Would you sniff glue? Well, if you don't know what chemicals are used in a flavorent but they are capable of disintegrating a hard plastic, shouldn't you be concerned in a big way???

My contention is simply that flavorents were NOT designed for inhalation, they were designed to be ingested into the digestive tract. The digestive tract is COMPLETELY different than the respiratory tract. Metabolic mechanisms can deal with ingested acids and other caustic substances. The respiratory system does not have the same protective mechanisms, so I think there's a very real need to be concerned abut inhaling substances that can melt plastic!

What's more, chemicals in flavorents undergo molecular changes when intensely heated in a ecig atomizer, much the same as tobacco does when smoked. Many of the carcinogenic compounds in cigarette smoke are formed as a result of being intensely heated, just the same as an atomizer intensely heats an e-liquid, so even if flavorents are safe for consumption into the digestive tract which has protective mechanisms to deal with acids, not only does the respiratory system not have those defense mechanisms, but now you are also drastically changing the chemical composition of those substances through intense heating, so god only knows what actually is reacting with the delicate tissues in your respiratory tract!

To feel anything but genuine concern would simply be synonymous with sticking your head in the sand. Don't get me wrong; I truly enjoy vaping, and will continue to do so. After all, what's life without its' pleasant albeit evil pleasures? I am just no longer deluding myself it is some sort of panacea or safe alternative to smoking cigarettes.

I think probably that vaping without regard for what substance you are actually inhaling will eventually be proved to be quite hazardous to your health, and depending on what substances are vaped, could even be more dangerous than cigarettes. I mean, we are on the frontier of vaping and just won't know the true long-term health effects for several more years until long-range symptoms are able to be linked.

The only point of my "rant" is that I think manufacturers of vaping products, and makers of substances used in e-liquids need to be more responsible to us, the consumers, and not just have a greedy concern for their bottom-line. That goes for the Chinese manufacturers who don't fully test their products before introducing them to the marketplace, and it goes for their shoddy quality-control, and it goes for the makers of e-liquids who don't know what they are putting into their products, or if they do, are not making it public knowledge.

Mostly though it's pointed at ourselves, to be more responsible for what we are putting into our bodies, and not just deluding ourselves that vaping is a healthy, risk-free alternative to cigarettes. Whether you put nicotine in them or not, vaping is still an addiction the same as cigarettes were, with all the same ugly implications.

We shouldn't kid ourselves or pat ourselves on the back for quitting cigarettes because if you're really truthful with yourself, you know you haven't quit anything; whether it's water vapor or cigarette smoke, if you screw that thing into your mouth and suck on it, you're still addicted to smoking the same as you were when you smoked cigarettes, and probably even more so if you delude yourself into thinking it is now safe and risk-free.

Just My 2-Cents worth. Not trying to offend anybody, just trying to be honest with myself and people I care about.

The FDA hasnt been on target since it was formed. They arent here either. I dont trust the government to tie my shoes right much less do whats right for people. They are all paid by big tobacco, period. Sturner, I get the concern and I share it. However, as freaked out as you may be, there is no science to suggest that flavorings arent safe to vape. Truth be told, logic says, most flavorings are either a PG or Alcohol base. PG has been used in inhalents since I believe the 1950's. Now seeing as PG is what most flavorings are made out of... I assume its safe. The majority of a flavoring is pg and it is flavor molecules that are infused in it.

Maybe I have no idea what Im talking about but the short story here is that something that is bad for us one day is good for us the next. Heck, a few months back they said nicotine is good for boosting memory in the elderly. Tomorrow they will say its toxic again.

You can always vape flavorless juice if you want to. I subscribe to the idea that there is risk in vaping and try to minimize it. Is there as much risk as smoking? Nope, I highly doubt it and those in the forums with health problems who switched to vaping and saw dramatic improvement are really a testament to that.

 

[sturner6]

I think it is great you have started this list and I added FlavourArts Tirimisu to it, but I also think you're a little off-base to be looking for ways to eliminate damage to the clearomizers. Instead we should be considering the health implications of any substance that would disintegrate a hard plastic, and thus be concerned more about what such substances might be doing to our respiratory tract, instead of merely being concerned with what they are doing to a cheap little $6 vaping accessory.

My 2-Cents Worth

 

[buffaloguy]

Sturner, with the long post you are kind of proving the point I origionally made. No one ever said vaping was a safe alternative. In the beginning I thought it was, prolly just like you did. About a week after tpa ripe bananna melted a tank on me and I freaked out (with the very same reasoning that you have right now) I realized that it was MY PERCEPTION of vaping that led me to believe in its safety. No one told me it was safe. The told me it was "likely to be much safer". So much of my shock, was self induced. Besides Ive tried everything to quit cigs and was despirate to do so. I wanted to believe vaping was a safe alternative.

In reality, everything we do has risk. Minimizing that risk is important. The information to do that properly is important. I agree that we should force flavoring manufacturers to properly label their ingredients. I also agree testing should be done on the effects of inhaling them. In some cases if you dig deeper you will find inhalation tests. May not be done by the FDA but theres a few out there with rather inconclusive results.

I for one, so not want the government involved in my vaping. Period. Whether they are right, or wrong. As consumers we have a voice. If we dont like a particular item or are concerned of its safety we dont buy it.

Its when we blindly think something is safe that we get all upset that it isnt. BPA, bisphenol, in baby bottles anyone? Remember the outrage over that? That safety info had been published for twenty years.

I agree with you and dont want to debate. I know EXACTLY how you feel. I think it helps to take a step back tho and decide if its too much of a reaction. In my case it was more self inflicted reaction than anything... and in fact has made me a wiser vaper, and diy mixer. I look for information more, and I study as much as possible. Then I made an educated decision based on what I know.

What I know is that vaping may not be safer. It indeed years from now turn out to be worse. Either way, cigarettes were going to kill me and I couldnt quit them after 25 years. Vaping did that for me. Am I addicted to nicotine? Yep, sure am. Do I finally have control over how much I put in my bodyl? Yep, sure do. Am I reducing my nicotine intake? Yep, absolutely...WITH ZERO SIDE EFFECTS DOING SO.... Try that with chantix, a patch, or cold turkey. Started at 18mg, down to 10mg in four months.

By the way, I did quit smoking. I am proud of it, and I am not diluding myself. Neither is anyone else that vapes. We quit CIGARETTES, for an alternative. Is vaping addictive because of the nicotine? Yes, that one chemical alone is the additctive ingredient. In cigs, there are MANY addictive ingredients, not just nicotine. The difference is in what I just said. I am in control.... complete and utter control... of my addiction. I intend to be nicotine free at some point and continue vaping just for enjoyment. At that point Im no longer addicted... Im making a free choice, free from addiction.

If safety is a major concern and you absolutely want vaping to be safe then start a thread, or an organization. Many people would join especially if it focused on making manufacturers and vendors more responsible and forced them to have full disclosure wifh medical info. Ill even be your first member.

Till then we have to make educated decisions... and yes, we may be wrong in the long run. Cigs were gonna kill me anyways. I feel better vaping.

 

[my4jewels]

As the OP, I respect the points you folks are making. However, you are cluttering this thread with posts that do not belong here. The intention of this thread was to organize a list of ejuices and flavorings that have the potential to damage polycarbonate tanks, not to discuss the safety of vaping these ejuices and flavorings. That's a completely different subject.

You may refer to this thread in any posts you wish, but please start another thread if you wish to carry on this discussion. Also, you'd probably draw more attention if you started a properly titled thread.

 

[sturner6]

Fair enough, and sorry for hijacking the thread; it wasn't my intention but I thought people who are experiencing this issue witht he plastic should consider the bigger implication...I didnt mean to get so long-winded, and originally just wanted to add FA Tiramisu to the list...sorry

As the OP, I respect the points you folks are making. However, you are cluttering this thread with posts that do not belong here. The intention of this thread was to organize a list of ejuices and flavorings that have the potential to damage polycarbonate tanks, not to discuss the safety of vaping these ejuices and flavorings. That's a completely different subject.

You may refer to this thread in any posts you wish, but please start another thread if you wish to carry on this discussion. Also, you'd probably draw more attention if you started a properly titled thread.

 

[my4jewels]

No problem, sturner6. I usually wait until I have several new things to add before I update the list. I have it down. You'd have a better chance at getting some thought provoking discussion in a new thread, anyway, rather than having it buried here.

 

[Durangler]

No damage from Highbrow Vapor?
I have some I'd like to tank.

 

[The Hill Giant]

So I I'm unfamiliar with the chemical composition of the different tanks' plastics. Would these tanks fall into the category of tanks that are affected by the acidic juices mentioned in this thread? Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank

 

[my4jewels]

These look like polycarbonate to me because they are totally clear, like glass, so they would be prone to chemical reactions with certain juices. The only way to be abolutely sure would be to email the vendor and ask if they are polycarbonate or polypropylene.

So I I'm unfamiliar with the chemical composition of the different tanks' plastics. Would these tanks fall into the category of tanks that are affected by the acidic juices mentioned in this thread? Dual Coil Cartomizer Tank

 

[The Hill Giant]

These look like polycarbonate to me because they are totally clear, like glass, so they would be prone to chemical reactions with certain juices. The only way to be abolutely sure would be to email the vendor and ask if they are polycarbonate or polypropylene.

Are there vendors that sell the same type of DCT tank in polypropylene? Could you recommend 1 or 2?

 

[my4jewels]

I got mine when I ran a coop for them, so did a lot of other folks. I know that Totally Wicked and VaporKings sells them. They come in 8 colors, including clear, which is slightly cloudy, like a syringe because it's the same type of plastic. But look around and ask questions, because a lot of the vendors are not even mentioning the fact that the tubes are polypropylene. I may be doing another coop for the polypropylene tanks late fall, but that won't help you now.

 

[The Hill Giant]

I actually ended up finding them on my own. MVS has them for a pretty reasonable price. Hopefully the hoosierecig ones are polypro since they already shipped. Plus they're awesome and I like giving them my money

 

[MikeI70]

Mt Baker Vapor's lemonade (36mg/100% VG)-- my tank seems ok but it melted the black endcaps. The o-rings don't show any damage. I originally put this in the noob section-- someone there pointed me here.