Let's make a list of juices/flavors that crack tanks, ce2's/clearos...

[Wickedvalve]

I seen vapealicious gooey butter cake on the list. I've been using this in my j tank ( polycarbonate ) for at least two weeks and my tank is fine.

 

[Baditude]

Are there vendors that sell the same type of DCT tank in polypropylene? Could you recommend 1 or 2?

510 Pro DCTank Combo
and Accessories - PBDragon.com I've used both of these vendors, no preference both are good, just offer a different package deal.

I use only polypropylene tanks now. I find that not only are they safe to use with all e-juices, but they are mechanically, structurally stronger than the polycarbonate. A win-win choice. Only downside is the tubing is not clear, but frosted; you can still easily see your juice levels.

Search around the tank and accessory sections of different vendors for polypropylene tube replacements for your particular tank. I've seen them available for both the 3.5 and 5 or 6 ml size somewhere for around $5.

I've yet to come across any polypropylene tank larger than 6 ml size. I would love to get a Gummy Tank or BFT tank in 8.5 ml size with polypropylene instead of only polycarbonate.

 

[speedemon]

510 Pro DCTank Combo
and Accessories - PBDragon.com I've used both of these vendors, no preference both are good, just offer a different package deal.

I use only polypropylene tanks now. I find that not only are they safe to use with all e-juices, but they are mechanically, structurally stronger than the polycarbonate. A win-win choice. Only downside is the tubing is not clear, but frosted; you can still easily see your juice levels.

Search around the tank and accessory sections of different vendors for polypropylene tube replacements for your particular tank. I've seen them available for both the 3.5 and 5 or 6 ml size somewhere for around $5.

I've yet to come across any polypropylene tank larger than 6 ml size. I would love to get a Gummy Tank or BFT tank in 8.5 ml size with polypropylene instead of only polycarbonate.

I'm with you here i buy my own and cut down to size needed,no cracking tuff.I buy my tubing from McMaster-Carr not only withstands all juices i make bigger tanks for my bella's and lavatank.Very cheap at the above sight not hard to cut your own length as needed.There sight says 5 foot minimum order but if you call and place order they will sell it in less then 5 feet.

 

[Jackiej5407]

GOOD GRIEF!!! I just attempted to read thru this whole thread, and got bogged down going backwards from pg 23 to pg 17 ... then I gave up.

I'm here to add an absolute crack, frost, eat juice: My beloved Cinammon Red Hots from Vapor Room. It's my pretty-much-all-day-vape ANYway ... Love it ... but only use it now in a Phiniac tank ... and replace the inner o-rings about every 10 days ... but it's worth it!

 

[Lastlokean]

So when it comes to a flavor cracking a tank, is it any amount of x flavor cracks the tank even as low as 1% otherwise is it a cause from going over a certain concentration? Maybe hitting a high enough or low enough pH to damage the plastic... The pH of the the resultant vapor being inhaled is worth considering in terms of health risk as well if you ask me... If indeed some ejuice is acidic enough to eat plastic could not the resulting vapor be damaging to to user?

I really like PG sweet tart from AVE but the sharp tang/bitterness seems to hurt my throat and tongue after a day of exclusive use... And that one doesn't crack any tanks?

Have another flavor update.... Pina Colada from dekang at 25% concentration 8mg juice with some dekang tobacco cracks tanks instantly under contact! In my startdusts within seconds the entire metal base gets cleanly cut off the plastic...

 

[wyojoe]

Lastlokean said ( Have another flavor update.... Pina Colada from dekang at 25% concentration 8mg juice with some dekang tobacco cracks tanks instantly under contact! In my startdusts within seconds the entire metal base gets cleanly cut off the plastic)...[/QUOTE] Wow that is fast and bad.

 

[Lastlokean]

I was shocked! I just got a dekang order in the mail from central trade and had some custom mixes brewed up on semi-bulk. I diluted the culprit of cracking the juice with 40% USP VG and it no longer seems to crack the plastic instantly. Its been sitting in the stardust / ce4+ v2 for about an hour now diluted and no clouding or cracking signs... I'm starting to think the situation is 100% based on pH or a certain concentration at which the fluid can crack the plastic.

In this case it may very well have not even been the plastic, but rather the o-ring expanding between the plastic and exterior metal threading. It also could be that cutting with the VG thickened the juice so it no longer 'fits' into the crack between the metal and plastic to get to the o-ring...?

More to come, going to start some experiments in figuring out how exactly the juice flavorings are cracking tanks...

 

[Stosh]

Sorry, folks, I just haven't have the time to organize this list yet. Trust me, it's on my "to do" list. For now, at least I can manage to keep it updated periodically.

This and Excel may be a help........alphabetical at least.

Alien Vision's Pineapple Pulp
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay
Citrus acid
Clove oil
cola(because of cinnamon)?
DIY Flavorshack Tangerine
DIY Gummibear(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank).
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in.vg.liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Ecblends Apple Pie
Ecblends banana
Ecblends Cinnamon Apple
ECBlend's Gingerbread, double flavor
ECBlends Rootbeer
Ectoplasm
Elixirliquids Cinnamon Death
Elixirliquids Deathday Cake
Elixirliquids Gummibear
Elixirliquids Heaven and Hell(cinnamon with menhtol)
Elixirliquids Rage(hot cinnamon)
Elixirliquids Rage(hot cinnamon)
HellaVapor's Raspberry Winta-green.
Honeysuckle
Honeysuckle
Juicy Vapor Vanilla Cola
KBV Hummingbird nectar
Lorann Butter Rum flavor
Lorann Butterscotch
Lorann Peppermint oil.
Malic acid
mimosa(because of the orange)
Mrs. T's Strawberry Lemonade
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake, snickerdoodle
Mt. Dew flavoring
Nutmeg
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with.pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry Candy(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank).
Perfumer's Apprentice Blueberry(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank).
Rawrvapor Hawaii Sunrise
Sassafras
Sour flavors
Tasty Vapor Cherry Cola
Tasty Vapor Sherbet
Timmy's Double Double from Juicy Clear
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
TPA Cinnamon Danish flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA Pineapple flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
TPA Rootbeer Flavoring
TPA RY4 Double Flavoring
TPA Spearmint flavoring
TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream flavoring
TPA Vanilla Custard flavoring
V2Cig's Menthol
V4L WOW Peppermint Nobacco
VAL Goddess
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake.
Vape Dude's Lemonade
Vapor Renu Mt. Dew baha blast and Strawberry limeade
Vapor Renu Teaberry, cherry vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Vaporbomb Fire 'n Ice(cracked tank, melted rubber drip tip)
Vaporbomb Green Apple
Vaporbomb Hot Cinnamon Candy
Vaporbomb Sun Kissed
Vaporbomb Sweet Cherry
Vaporbomb Sweet Cinnamon Red Hots
Vaporgod Licorice
Virgin Vapor Luscious Lime
Vixen Vapor Rootbeer
Wintergreen juice or flavoring

 

[my4jewels]

That's super helpful, Stosh. I also want to separate simply flavorings from vendor juice, then by individual vendors. But this will be a good start.

 

[Wishdog]

Just got my first stardust and it cracked w/i 24hrs after putting Mad Vapes Black Licorice in it. Went searching here and found a seller who was making a tank who said it was the best best best but it would still crack with cinnamon and licorice.

So, there you go.

 

[Baditude]

For those of you who have a favorite juice that is unfriendly to tanks and you can't afford a Phiniac, I think I found a cheap alternative. A new tank vendor is offering pyrex tanks for $13 and $15 (4ml and 7ml). These are dirt cheap! I got two 7ml tanks a couple of days ago and did a review of them here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-valley-view-tanks-7ml-pyrex-tank-review.html

Not saying they are the quality of a Phiniac, but we're talking about 1/4 the price of a Phiniac, and these Triple V tanks do what they were meant to do. Hold my juice, don't leak my juice, don't fall off my mod.

Here they are on my SB and BB
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[ime5000]

i dont know if someone has said this, but KBV hummingbird nectar and cinnamint do not crack tanks. other cinnamons and honeysuckle falvors do, but KBV ones do not, i have tested this and had both of them refilled in a poly carbonate tank fro over a month

Okay, I just got word on another about cracked tanks with these juices, so they are added to the list:
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake
KBV Hummingbird nectar

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. So far we have:

Any juice that has:
Sour flavors
Malic acid
Citrus acid
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffe cake, this is okay

Any wintergreen juice or flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA cherry blossom flavoring
Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake
KBV Hummingbird nectar

With so many folks using tanks nowadays, let's all contribute here!!

 

[my4jewels]

UPDATE

My aim is to compile a list of juice and flavorings that may cause problems as far as cracking polycarbonate tanks. Anything listed here may cause your polycarbonate tank to crack. I am primarily focused on the polycarbonate tanks, although this info may apply to other tanks.

Polypropylene is my personal choice for tank tubing because it it inexpensive and durable. This is the same material that is used to make syringes. Polypropylene tubing can be purchased here: McMaster-Carr. You can use 5/8"id x 3/4od for Liquinator tanks, Lil mama tanks, Big daddy tanks, Jtanks, and others. This tubing has a very slight curve to it, but will not be noticeable when cut to a short length. You can see a pic of a tank I made using this tubing with Liquinator endcaps here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-mods/259319-heres-pic-my-polypropylene-tank.html

The popular DCTanks can now be found made from polypropylene tubing, and they come in 8 colors. Polypropylene will not crack from a chemical reaction from using juices on this list. For some reason, vendors are not stating the fact that these are made from polypropylene. IMO this is an excellent selling point that they are missing... These tanks can be used with some XL cartos, or they can be easily cut down to fit a standard sized carto, my personal preference, since I have a few dozen tanks, and I can't afford the pricier ones.

Glass tanks are also a great alternative.

I am personally not familiar with the Vision Stardust type tanks. From what I hear, they are polycarbonate and folks seem to be having the same issues with cracking/frosting.

Also, bear in mind that different vendors may use different ingredients to make the same flavors. So, a flavored e juice you get from one vendor that is safe for yout tank may not be safe from another vendor, or vice versa. For instance, I have no trouble at all with VaporGod strawberry kiwi, but Mrs. T's strawberry shortcake will probably crack a polycarbonate tank. Also, just because a certain juice may crack my polycarbonate tank, it may not crack yours. I don't know why... Clear as mud, huh?

Some of these are premixed juices, some are flavorings that DIY'ers use. Contributions have been made by myself and other members. So far we have:

Here is the list so far. Everything listed here has caused someone a problem with a polycarbonate tank. Some have reported no issues whatsoever with some of these juices/flavorings. Use at your own risk with polycarbonate tanks.


Alien Vision's Pineapple Pulp
Cinnamon like "atomic cinnamon" types, not warm cinnamon like cinnamon coffee cake, this is okay
Citrus acid
Clove oil
Cola(because of cinnamon)?
Dekang Pina Colada/Tobacco mixed
DIY Flavorshack Tangerine
DIY Gummibear(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank).
E liquids that contain triacetin, used in vg liquids to carry flavor more effectively
Ecblends Apple Pie
Ecblends Banana
Ecblends Cinnamon Apple
ECBlend's Gingerbread, double flavor
ECBlends Rootbeer
Ectoplasm
Elixirliquids Cinnamon Death
Elixirliquids Deathday Cake
Elixirliquids Gummibear
Elixirliquids Heaven and Hell(cinnamon with menhtol)
Elixirliquids Rage(hot cinnamon)
FA Tiramisu
HellaVapor's Raspberry Winta-green.
Honeysuckle
Juicy Vapor Vanilla Cola
KBV Hummingbird Nectar
Lorann Butter Rum flavor
Lorann Butterscotch
Lorann Peppermint oil
MadVapes Black Licorice
Malic acid
Mimosa(because of the orange)
Mrs. T's Snickerdoodle
Mrs. T's Strawberry Lemonade
Mrs. T's Strawberry Shortcake
Mt. Dew flavoring
Mt. Vapor's Lemonade(endcaps melted)
Nutmeg
Oil based/e liquid that conains essential oils, when mixed with.pg/vg, creates esters which will crack plastics
Rawrvapor Hawaii Sunrise
Sassafras
Sour flavors
Tasty Vapor Cherry Cola
Tasty Vapor Sherbet
Timmy's Double Double from Juicy Clear
TPA Blueberry Candy(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
TPA Blueberry(melted plastic endcaps on DCTank)
TPA Cherry Blossom flavoring
TPA Cinnamon Danish flavoring
TPA Earl Gray Tea flavoring
TPA honeysuckle flavoring
TPA maraschino cherry flavoring
TPA Pineapple flavoring
TPA ripe banana flavoring
TPA root beer flavoring
TPA Rootbeer Flavoring
TPA RY4 Double Flavoring
TPA Spearmint flavoring
TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream flavoring
TPA Vanilla Custard flavoring
V2Cig's Menthol
V4L WOW Peppermint Nobacco
VAL Goddess
Vapalicious Gooey Butter Cake.
Vape Dude's Lemonade
Vapor Renu Mt. Dew Baha Blast and Strawberry Limeade
Vapor Renu Teaberry, Cherry Vanilla (possibly most of their flavors)
Vaporbomb Fire 'n Ice(cracked tank, melted rubber drip tip)
Vaporbomb Green Apple
Vaporbomb Hot Cinnamon Candy
Vaporbomb Sun Kissed
Vaporbomb Sweet Cherry
Vaporbomb Sweet Cinnamon Red Hots
Vaporgod Licorice
Vapor Romm Cinnamon Red Hots
Virgin Vapor Luscious Lime
Vixen Vapor Rootbeer
Wintergreen juice or flavoring
Ziquid Zenthol


Perfumer's Apprentice lists triactetin as in ingredient in some of their flavors, so be sure to check that out.

With so many folks using tanks nowadays, let's all contribute here!!

Disclaimer: These are not "bad" juices. They just have the potential to cause cracking in tank systems using polycarbonate tubing.

I will be putting this list into categories soon. Thanks to ECF Veteran member Stosh for alphabetizing it for me.

 

[Fiamma]

I have been using Smoktech's tanks for four months. I have Green Apple and Carmel Candy in one for many many refills. No tank damage at all. Same with Millenium Milkshake which contains both TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream and TPA Pineapple flavoring. I use FlavourArt's Tiramisu in them, no tank damage at all from it. I bought nearly all of them in March at once. I usually have 4 or so sitting with juice in them at all times. I have no idea what the tank material is but it's crystal clear. I have no damage to the caps or the o rings at all.

I should probably add that I'm a variable voltage vaper. I use these on Provaris and kicked Silver Bullets with dual coil 1.5 cartos at around 4.2 to 4.4 on the Provari and the kick is set to about 5.5 so the vape is warm.

 

[my4jewels]

If it's crystal clear, it's polycarbonate. I happy for you that you haven't had any problems. I don't understand the rhyme or reason, but someone has reported problems with everything listed. Some have problems with their tanks, some don't. Maybe it has to do with percentages, I dunno. It's really just a "heads up" that these juices/flavoring can cause problems...

 

[Fiamma]

If it's crystal clear, it's polycarbonate. I happy for you that you haven't had any problems. I don't understand the rhyme or reason, but someone has reported problems with everything listed. Some have problems with their tanks, some don't. Maybe it has to do with percentages, I dunno. It's really just a "heads up" that these juices/flavoring can cause problems...

Understood. I'm just wondering what's different about the Smoktech tanks. Most of my TPA and LorAnn's is a 30% flavor, the FlavourArt is low as it's much more concentrated, on the order of 5% and their Espresso is at 8%. Looking for a common denominator and not finding one.....

 

[R53_Dave]

Nothing from Pink Spot on the list. Is it that nobody vapes their juice here, or none of those have been reported as problematic?

Also, has anyone played with the clear tank addons from Kir Fanis? He makes clear sections for rebuildables like the Ody and DID's. Was looking into getting a clear window with my DID. Wondering if anyone has used these and had reaction issues with their juice.

 

[TH0MAS CR0WN]

^Also wondering about one Pinkspot juice in particular (Cinnamon). I have about 18ml of Cinnamon from Pinkspot that I want to put in the tank, but afraid of cracking! Any experiences?

Btw, one of my friends put Fire & Ice e-juice into his tank and so far no cracks, but it is quite cloudy now.

 

[nilbog]

Very helpful thread. I guess I'm going to have to pay more attention to the juices I put in my clearos. Need to add EC Blend Grape to the list. Ruined a brand new long wick stardust.

 

[favor1]

I think you should add Triacetin to that list. Anything that contains Triacetin is a plasticizer and Cherry Blossom is one of those, there are a few more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head:

The triacetin is applied to the filter as a plasticizer.[4]

The next statement is taken from the wiki about plasticizers, which may or may not include triacetin, but who knows really?

Substantial concerns have been expressed over the safety of some plasticizers, especially because they have been classified as endocrine disruptors.

Here's the source, although I don't think most people would care to read such a long pdf since it's kind of implied already:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19680025022_1968025022.pdf