I got the o rings in today that I bought for the kayfun. (1mm x 2mm) #70 Buna-N. Well, I was very disappointed to see it was too big. It is gonna take maybe a size or two smaller to fit it. If I remember right, that was the smallest size they had. I will have to explore this further, to see what I can find later. I'm not doing it tonight. Just thought I'd mention it, in case someone else has a kayfun 3.1 ES.
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2m - E-liquid duct. Liquid flows through it into the tank when filling through the valve (2l)
2 m o ring...It is the one on the top of the deck, the tiny one. This is the Kayfun 3.1 ES.
http://www.c9v-forum.com/svoemesto-products/kayfun-v3-1-es-user-manual-(english)/
I don't have calipers, or I'd measure it myself.
Well I bought more o rings. Let's hope one of these fit.
2 m o ring...It is the one on the top of the deck, the tiny one. This is the Kayfun 3.1 ES.
http://www.c9v-forum.com/svoemesto-products/kayfun-v3-1-es-user-manual-(english)/
I don't have calipers, or I'd measure it myself.
Well I bought more o rings. Let's hope one of these fit.
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Kkay, I can't for the life of me understand why you're changing o-rings - especially that particular one. Was it leaking out the fill valve? or Did someeone in another thread recommend it? I only replace mine if it breaks and of the 5 Kayfuns I have had over the past year I only replaced one so far. The only modding/repair I've had to do is wrap Teflon tape round the fill screw of the original KFL occasionally as it wasn't sealing properly and juice leaked out there and at the air intake.
If the valve is stuck open you can use a paper clip to try to work it loose.
If the valve is stuck open you can use a paper clip to try to work it loose.
If you saw what I previously said about that o ring in this forum, you would know I lost it. It happened when I cleaned it. It must have fallen out, and I didn't notice it. When I did notice it, I went looking for it in the trash. But the trash people had already taken the other trash. That o ring is very tiny and my eye sight is not so good. It might have stuck to a paper towel. I had already replaced the o rings with the o ring kit from Lightning Vapes. But it didn't have this tiny one. I had forgotten all about it. Next time I was going to clean, and rewick, that is when I saw it was gone.
Today, I got a Smok VCT ( Vapor Chaser Tank ) A1 in...
Well.... now that I've been vaping on the Smok VCT for a while ( about 3+ hours )... it's a tough call.
For cost alone.... the VCT beats the heck out of all of the Kanger Subtanks.... the VTC A1 I got ( the slightly better one ) was about @19 but it doesn't come with a RTA deck either yet I doubt they'll be selling their deck for more than $10. The Subtank Nano I have goes for about $27-$30 depending on where you source it at and also doesn't have a RTA deck and will unlikely not get one. The Subtank Mini has one but are running about $34-$36 with the RTA deck.
Ok... capacity... the VCT has 3.8ml, the ST Mini is 4.5ml and the Nano is 3.0ml. With the VCT you see all of the air space that can't be filled, the ST models hide some of that space.. so visually they look fuller and the VCT looks 1/2 empty when full. So the VCT is priced much less than the Nano and holds a little more juice but not as much juice as the Mini ( which is priced much more ).
So up too this point, everything is looking like it's in the VCT's favor UNTIL we get to flavor vs the power needed to reach that flavor level. All of the Subtanks perform equally well so they all get great flavor at about 23w-25w range on the juice I'm vaping in each... vapor production is also up there but I don't look at that much ( except when I can't see in the room I'm vaping in
) .... To get the same saturation of flavor on the VCT I had to crank up the watts to around 35w with the same resistance coils in the SB's and VCT using the A1 vertical coil. I haven't tried the VCT's X1 horizontal coils yet... so that will have to wait for another day.
So for a few numbers...
On the SB's... I'm vaping at 23w on the 0.5Ω coil... that means it is drawing 6.782a of power
On the VCT.... I'm vaping at 35w on the 0.5Ω coil... that means it is drawing 8.367a of power... almost 1.6a more than the SB for the same flavor.
I think, if I've calculated right... that the SB's battery will last about 19-20% longer. Looking at it another way ( and rounding big time )... that means a battery that would normally last me through an 8 hr day of work now would only last me 6 of those hours. If I'm vaping a little heavy, a battery doesn't last me a full work day before I want to charge it up... ie taking it down to about 1/2 of it's charge. Just this evening ( when I vape more than when I'm at work )... I've already almost reached that 1/2 way point and had 3.8v left in the battery down from the full 4.2v in about 3 hours using Sony VTC4 batteries.
The differences seen in the power that a Subtank requires for a good vape vs the Atlantis ( without even trying one, which is unfair to the Atlantis in a way ) was the main reason I selected the SB over the Atlantis when I made my purchases on a new tank... the VCT looks to have the same power requirements as the Atlantis and is every bit as inefficient as the Aspire product. The cost difference between them is the only factor that would make me think twice on these... in the end I don't think that alone would sway me.
For me... the Subtank's win because of their efficiency they exhibit. The cost in battery power offsets the cost savings in my opinion.
Well.... now that I've been vaping on the Smok VCT for a while ( about 3+ hours )... it's a tough call.
For cost alone.... the VCT beats the heck out of all of the Kanger Subtanks.... the VTC A1 I got ( the slightly better one ) was about @19 but it doesn't come with a RTA deck either yet I doubt they'll be selling their deck for more than $10. The Subtank Nano I have goes for about $27-$30 depending on where you source it at and also doesn't have a RTA deck and will unlikely not get one. The Subtank Mini has one but are running about $34-$36 with the RTA deck.
Ok... capacity... the VCT has 3.8ml, the ST Mini is 4.5ml and the Nano is 3.0ml. With the VCT you see all of the air space that can't be filled, the ST models hide some of that space.. so visually they look fuller and the VCT looks 1/2 empty when full. So the VCT is priced much less than the Nano and holds a little more juice but not as much juice as the Mini ( which is priced much more ).
So up too this point, everything is looking like it's in the VCT's favor UNTIL we get to flavor vs the power needed to reach that flavor level. All of the Subtanks perform equally well so they all get great flavor at about 23w-25w range on the juice I'm vaping in each... vapor production is also up there but I don't look at that much ( except when I can't see in the room I'm vaping in
) .... To get the same saturation of flavor on the VCT I had to crank up the watts to around 35w with the same resistance coils in the SB's and VCT using the A1 vertical coil. I haven't tried the VCT's X1 horizontal coils yet... so that will have to wait for another day.So for a few numbers...
On the SB's... I'm vaping at 23w on the 0.5Ω coil... that means it is drawing 6.782a of power
On the VCT.... I'm vaping at 35w on the 0.5Ω coil... that means it is drawing 8.367a of power... almost 1.6a more than the SB for the same flavor.
I think, if I've calculated right... that the SB's battery will last about 19-20% longer. Looking at it another way ( and rounding big time )... that means a battery that would normally last me through an 8 hr day of work now would only last me 6 of those hours. If I'm vaping a little heavy, a battery doesn't last me a full work day before I want to charge it up... ie taking it down to about 1/2 of it's charge. Just this evening ( when I vape more than when I'm at work )... I've already almost reached that 1/2 way point and had 3.8v left in the battery down from the full 4.2v in about 3 hours using Sony VTC4 batteries.
The differences seen in the power that a Subtank requires for a good vape vs the Atlantis ( without even trying one, which is unfair to the Atlantis in a way ) was the main reason I selected the SB over the Atlantis when I made my purchases on a new tank... the VCT looks to have the same power requirements as the Atlantis and is every bit as inefficient as the Aspire product. The cost difference between them is the only factor that would make me think twice on these... in the end I don't think that alone would sway me.
For me... the Subtank's win because of their efficiency they exhibit. The cost in battery power offsets the cost savings in my opinion.
ok, I see. I hadn't been keeping up too well. I actually didn't even know it had a tiny o-ring that small and I do have the KF 3.1 clone. They are a bugger to find if you drop 'em as are the tiny screws for the posts. I've been down on all four with a magnifying glass looking for dropped stuff more times than I want to admit.
At least you didn't swallow it like some folks on here have done. (Not mentioning any names, but she lives in Hawaii.)
Welp, I'm glad I waited and didn't pull the trigger on the KF v4 clones when they first appeared, as FT has an Infinite clone out now that sounds very impressive by the way people are talking about it. So, I'm not going for the KFL base as Dusty recommended and pulled the trigger on the KF V4. Also ordered 2 extra glass tank sections and a couple KFMini polly-whos-it sections.
Some may ask, why the V4? IDK, maybe just because nobody else here got one and I think someone should check it out first hand. So I'm taking one for the Army. Secondly, I'm ok with the Rose, however, building and filling it is not as hassle free as my kayfuns. Plus the Infinite version comes with 4 different tank options, a bell cap, glass, SS, and polly-whos-it.
If it's as good as they say, I might PIF the Rose and the KF 3.1
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006473/2066200-infinite-kayfun-v4-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank
FT also has the Infinite KF V4 in black:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006473/2096001-infinite-kayfun-v4-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank
Some may ask, why the V4? IDK, maybe just because nobody else here got one and I think someone should check it out first hand. So I'm taking one for the Army. Secondly, I'm ok with the Rose, however, building and filling it is not as hassle free as my kayfuns. Plus the Infinite version comes with 4 different tank options, a bell cap, glass, SS, and polly-whos-it.
If it's as good as they say, I might PIF the Rose and the KF 3.1
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006473/2066200-infinite-kayfun-v4-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank
FT also has the Infinite KF V4 in black:
https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006473/2096001-infinite-kayfun-v4-styled-rta-rebuildable-tank
I don't think they are a 1:1 Chak. Do you want to wait for that from HCigar possibly? Regardless, I am glad to hear you will be trying one of these. I am interested for the future. No way can I afford one right now.
The K4 is being well accepted. Nearly everyone who has bought a K4 has liked it very much. I didn't buy one because I could not justify the $180 per to replace my KFLs when the vape is nearly identical. The only clone I trust at this point is Hcigar and I think retic linked us and it is $40 some bucks. better but still really don't need any RTAs at this point. Let us know how you like your K4.
I'm pretty sure that if Hcigar does do a clone of the v4, it will be a good one and who knows, maybe I'll get one some day or maybe an Aqua v2. Infinite, I believe, also has a good reputation for their clones, so I don't think I'll be disappointed. I'm also glad I made this decision and will let you all know how it turns out.
I couldn't/wouldn't pay that much for a genuine one either, no matter who made or how good it was. I will keep y'all in the loop as soon as it gets here. Which hopefully will be before March as we are expecting company from the States and I'll be quite busy then.
Subsonic Vapes is also carrying the Infinite clone at the price of $45.99. (FT's is almost half that.)
Kayfun V4 Infinite Clone – Subsonic Vapes
Vapn Fagan liked it enough to give it a review as well, couldn't sit through the whole 42 minute review as he's rather long winded.
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I'll bid you all good night with a final note.
The company we're expecting in March is my dear SIL who will be accompanied by my daughter and her hubby. My gal is coming home! 
The company we're expecting in March is my dear SIL who will be accompanied by my daughter and her hubby. My gal is coming home!
I've had a FT version A, a tobeco and a genuine k4. Sold the authentic after I got my tobeco. That clone is excellent. Vapes well, no leaks and functions pretty damn close to the authentic. Nods.
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Kelly, I just received a message from Diane at MyVapeJuice stating that the issue with Firefox is now fixed, even though the site was always secure. I'd all but forgotten about the issue, but could you perhaps verify that you're no longer seeing an issue there? Would be nice to confirm back to her that it is indeed gone.
Thanks!
Thanks!
FT is not a manufacturer... so there isn't a FT version... there are only different versions that they sell ( of other companies products ) of which you can purchase at their site.
I sent you a pm. Yes, it is showing encrypted now. I am so happy she got that fixed. Well, you know what that means...LOL. I wasn't going to order anymore juice for a while. But now, I am going to have to make a wee one. If she has a current discount coupon code, please tell me quickly. 
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That is true and I'm sure Kiwi knows that. However, FT doesn't always tell you who the manufacturer is. In those cases, it can only be referred to as a FT.
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