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DavidOH

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What up army. Felt I needed to branch out once again, so I sold a few things and reos and picked up an authentic magma and odin. Looking forward to them as I'm expecting a dual 18650 unregulated box mod in a week or 2.
Dont get me wrong. My 2 reos I bring to work daily get the crap beat out of them, I just need something different once in a while.

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So which dual box are you waiting on? Premade or custom? Do tell.
 

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    I guess I've got G.A.S too. I ordered a stingray from fasttech. So much for slimming down the vape gear. Then Retic and Calve start going on about the switches..:facepalm: I just like the super small form factor of it in 350 mode with a nano'd kayfun. Hope it works.
    I did tell you it's gonna need some work , at least polishing off the sharp edges , you might get lucky on the switch , I've been watching the reviews and some of the clones have better switches than the genuines do , but either way it's not a deal breaker , I'm more aggravated at not having the " Quiet " time to tinker with it than the mech itself .
     

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    Hey guys, I have a few questions before my Magma clone and Kayfun mini get to me.

    1- Any particular tools aside from Bronze's 5/64 drill bit I should buy? Perhaps a specific type of screwdriver and/or drill bits of other sizes.

    2- Since I'm using an MVP2, would the lowest resistance coil I can build be 1.2ohm? I hear ohm's are divided by two when doing a double coil, so would the lowest I could go there be around 2.4ohm on each one?

    Thanks in advance.
     

    LAwaters

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    Hey guys, I have a few questions before my Magma clone and Kayfun mini get to me.

    1- Any particular tools aside from Bronze's 5/64 drill bit I should buy? Perhaps a specific type of screwdriver and/or drill bits of other sizes.

    2- Since I'm using an MVP2, would the lowest resistance coil I can build be 1.2ohm? I hear ohm's are divided by two when doing a double coil, so would the lowest I could go there be around 2.4ohm on each one?

    Thanks in advance.

    You might want to use 30ga for dual 2.4 ohms. You are correct, that will give you a 1.2 ohm build. I did a similar build before picking up the Stingray mech, using 30 ga. With 28ga it would be 16/17 wraps per coil. With 30 ga, it's 10/11 wraps - and it heats up a little faster.

    I was able to get the MVP to fire duals on the Magma. It did struggle though, in that it took a long time to heat up, and didn't get the coils to full glowing heat.

    You might want to try a single coil build. You will still get great flavor and vapor from it. And you won't burn through the batteries and juice as fast. :)
     

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    I've been interested in drippers with air flow that goes to the coils. I agree with retic and others who feel air on the coils is what gives it the concentrated flavor bursts. The four I know of (I know there are others) is Plume Veil, Magma, Veritas, and Viking.

    Picked up an Infinite Plume Veil from Vape Royalty. Been playing with it for a couple days now. For me, it's a thumbs down. I've tried several set ups. The best is a single coil, 30 ga, 2mm ID, 11 wraps. Very similar to what I use in the Kayfun. My Kayfun puts out better flavor and vapor than this Plume Veil with this single coil build. I also tried dual 30ga, dual 28ga, and dual 26 ga and some single in the 26 and 28. I used macrocoils on the 26 and 28ga (3mm ID). Both the 26 and 28ga take way, way too long to heat up. And that's at 15 watts. And I did not care for the vape. Those builds are for the high watt/DNA30 crowd. Too hot for me. Sorry, my lungs are torched from 40 years of smoking. I cannot handle the heat...AT ALL!!!! But I knew that because I've been down the dual coil, hi-watt road before. I was just hoping single coil would somehow be better with the Plume Veil and it was not. What I have found is this Plume Veil is way too airy for my likes. There are three air sources (unique). I have blocked the top and sides completely and have the bottom airways cut in half and it's still too airy for me. Wrecks the vape experience totally! Lastly, the Plume Veil juice capacity is small compared to others like the Magma, Viking, and Veritas. Basically,you can soak the wicks and no more. Any juice standing in the well leaks out the air holes. If there is any one thing that turns me off quickly it is leakage. I cop a nasty attitude VERY fast when it comes to leaking. I've done my time with leakers and I'm over it.

    The Plume Veil would be an excellent dripper for cloud chasers (and flavor chasers) whose lungs still have some life in them. It gets very high marks from the several reviewers I watched and I understand why. It's for people who like hi-air, hi-heat, hi-watt vaping 15 - 40 watts. JUST AINT ME! Maybe before I torched my lungs out but not now. What bothers me is I believe I will find this to be true no matter what device I use. Hi heat, hi-watt simply is not for me. Never has been. Period, case closed. End of story.

    I'l probably give it one more try with the Magma, Viking, or Veritas and go single coil and hope it's not too airy. I would prefer the Veritas (or possibly Viking) as those appear to be the most leak proof. Have I mentioned I hate leakers? For now, I'm in no hurry. My Kayfuns and small drippers work just fine.
     

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    I've been interested in drippers with air flow that goes to the coils. I agree with retic and others who feel air on the coils is what gives it the concentrated flavor bursts. The four I know of (I know there are others) is Plume Veil, Magma, Veritas, and Viking. Picked up an Infinite Plume Veil from Vape Royalty. Been playing with it for a couple days now. For me, it's a thumbs down. I've tried several set ups. The best is a single coil, 30 ga, 2mm ID, 11 wraps. Very similar to what I use in the Kayfun. My Kayfun puts out better flavor and vapor than this Plume Veil with this single coil build. I also tried dual 30ga, dual 28ga, and dual 26 ga and some single in the 26 and 28. I used macrocoils on the 26 and 28ga (3mm ID). Both the 26 and 28ga take way, way too long to heat up. And that's at 15 watts. And I did not care for the vape. Those builds are for the high watt/DNA30 crowd. Too hot for me. Sorry, my lungs are torched from 40 years of smoking. I cannot handle the heat...AT ALL!!!! But I knew that because I've been down the dual coil, hi-watt road before. I was just hoping single coil would somehow be better with the Plume Veil and it was not. What I have found is this Plume Veil is way too airy for my likes. There are three air sources (unique). I have blocked the top and sides completely and have the bottom airways cut in half and it's still too airy for me. Wrecks the vape experience totally! Lastly, the Plume Veil juice capacity is small compared to others like the Magma, Viking, and Veritas. Basically,you can soak the wicks and no more. Any juice standing in the well leaks out the air holes. If there is any one thing that turns me off quickly it is leakage. I cop a nasty attitude VERY fast when it comes to leaking. I've done my time with leakers and I'm over it. The Plume Veil would be an excellent dripper for cloud chasers (and flavor chasers) whose lungs still have some life in them. It gets very high marks from the several reviewers I watched and I understand why. It's for people who like hi-air, hi-heat, hi-watt vaping 15 - 40 watts. JUST AINT ME! Maybe before I torched my lungs out but not now. What bothers me is I believe I will find this to be true no matter what device I use. Hi heat, hi-watt simply is not for me. Never has been. Period, case closed. End of story. I'l probably give it one more try with the Magma, Viking, or Veritas and go single coil and hope it's not too airy. I would prefer the Veritas (or possibly Viking) as those appear to be the most leak proof. Have I mentioned I hate leakers? For now, I'm in no hurry. My Kayfuns and small drippers work just fine.
    My Infinite Magma does not leak , I haven't added an o-ring it hasn't been necessary , But I don't lay it on it's side with a full well either and I rotate the afc ring to closed when I travel with it , the only way to cause a leak is to overfill it or drip juice into the airhole , likely to cause a leak on any RDA . I am interested in the Viking but no clone exists for it so it's out of reach for now , the Veritas is too close to the Magma in a lot of ways for me to have a need for it but I'm always interested in Army gear reviews .
     

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    Hey guys, I have a few questions before my Magma clone and Kayfun mini get to me. 1- Any particular tools aside from Bronze's 5/64 drill bit I should buy? Perhaps a specific type of screwdriver and/or drill bits of other sizes. 2- Since I'm using an MVP2, would the lowest resistance coil I can build be 1.2ohm? I hear ohm's are divided by two when doing a double coil, so would the lowest I could go there be around 2.4ohm on each one? Thanks in advance.
    Voltron , I agree with LA in that you should go single coil in the Magma until you get an APV capable of handling the duals , which means replaceable batteries , I can't recommend a mech right now until you get more experienced in building , you're looking at roughly $100 to get you into a regulated device with batteries and charger . You should pick up some tweezers or hemostats and a set of precision screwdrivers , it's about $5 for a set of precision screwdrivers at wal-mart and Fasttech has the ceramic tipped tweezers for a good price . If you're looking for a decent low cost regulated device , look at the Innokin SVD on Fasttech it's about $38 and it will handle duals down to .8 ohms with no problems and they have the Nitecore intellicharger for under $20 , it's an excellent battery charger that I use for all my batteries , you would have to order 18650 batteries from the states unless you want to wait 2 months to receive them from Fasttech , they literally have to ship batteries by slow boat from China .
     

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    My Infinite Magma does not leak , I haven't added an o-ring it hasn't been necessary , But I don't lay it on it's side with a full well either and I rotate the afc ring to closed when I travel with it , the only way to cause a leak is to overfill it or drip juice into the airhole , likely to cause a leak on any RDA . I am interested in the Viking but no clone exists for it so it's out of reach for now , the Veritas is too close to the Magma in a lot of ways for me to have a need for it but I'm always interested in Army gear reviews .

    Yes, all drippers are subject to leaking. And as long as you don't overfill and keep the device upright it wont leak. But my device will always find a way to end up on its side at some point. And the most leakproof design I have seen is the Veritas...even if it is slightly overfilled. It's just a clever design to keep juice away from the air hole that I have not seen on any other device. if you're religious about keeping your PV upright then there is no leakproof advantage to the Veritas. But for clods like me it is a valuable feature/design. And I also would feel more confident if I was laying back in bed watching TV and tilting it far back for a pull. I like to vape while laying in the sack.
     

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    I have to say I am not particularly impressed with Infinite...not on the Plume Veil anyway. There are/were four specific issues. 1) when I opened the box, the spare screws, screwdriver, and wicks were strewn all over the inside of the box. Really no big deal though. 2) The adjustable delrin segment in the top cap was screwed in so hard I could not loosen it. I ended up having to take a chisel to the underside and bury it into the delrin and then unscrewing. Left chisel marks but it's hidden. I was handy enough to figure out how to fix it but I can see where Unhandy Andy will have no clue what to do. 3) The center post was loose causing the positive block to rotate. Had to tighten that up. 4) The barrel rotation to adjust the side air holes is too tight. Have to take the thing off the PV and mess with it. Did not see anyone having trouble with their originals in the videos.

    Oh, and #5) The 510 connector feels a little undersized. It wobbles the entire way as I thread it on my PV (any of them). Have to cinch it up pretty good to get the wobble out.

    No, I'm not impressed with Infinite.
     
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    I have to say I am not particularly impressed with Infinite...not on the Plume Veil anyway. There are/were four specific issues. 1) when I opened the box, the spare screws, screwdriver, and wicks were strewn all over the inside of the box. Really no big deal though. 2) The adjustable delrin segment in the top cap was screwed in so hard I could not loosen it. I ended up having to take a chisel to the underside and bury it into the delrin and then unscrewing. Left chisel marks but it's hidden. I was handy enough to figure out how to fix it but I can see where Unhandy Andy will have no clue what to do. 3) The center post was loose causing the positive block to rotate. Had to tighten that up. 4) The barrel rotation to adjust the side air holes is too tight. Have to take the thing off the PV and mess with it. Did not see anyone having trouble with their originals in the videos.

    Wonder if someone ( where you purchased from ) had gotten into your box before you saw it... The Infinite Magma I got, had the spares in a sealed cellophane bag. Everything else was tight on it and of course it doesn't have delrin in the top cap so that doesn't apply or compare
     

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    I have to say I am not particularly impressed with Infinite...not on the Plume Veil anyway. There are/were four specific issues. 1) when I opened the box, the spare screws, screwdriver, and wicks were strewn all over the inside of the box. Really no big deal though. 2) The adjustable delrin segment in the top cap was screwed in so hard I could not loosen it. I ended up having to take a chisel to the underside and bury it into the delrin and then unscrewing. Left chisel marks but it's hidden. I was handy enough to figure out how to fix it but I can see where Unhandy Andy will have no clue what to do. 3) The center post was loose causing the positive block to rotate. Had to tighten that up. 4) The barrel rotation to adjust the side air holes is too tight. Have to take the thing off the PV and mess with it. Did not see anyone having trouble with their originals in the videos. Oh, and #5) The 510 connector feels a little undersized. It wobbles the entire way as I thread it on my PV (any of them). Have to cinch it up pretty good to get the wobble out. No, I'm not impressed with Infinite.
    It does sound like someone got into your box , everything came sealed nice and neat on my Magma , nothing loose , no tightening needed , don't know about the Plume Veil but their mechs , magma and kayfun clones have gotten excellent reviews , send the dam thing back and get something else if you can .
     

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    Wonder if someone ( where you purchased from ) had gotten into your box before you saw it... The Infinite Magma I got, had the spares in a sealed cellophane bag. Everything else was tight on it and of course it doesn't have delrin in the top cap so that doesn't apply or compare

    Who knows. Truthfully, the spare parts strewn in the box doesn't bother me. The other stuff did/does. The Delrin is what holds the drip tip and also serves to open/close the top air holes. It screws into the top cap. That sucker was torqued into the top cap big time. I definitely can see where people will wreck it trying to take it off or wont even bother. I wrote Vape Royalty and told them about it in case they want to check their stock.
     

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    It does sound like someone got into your box , everything came sealed nice and neat on my Magma , nothing loose , no tightening needed , don't know about the Plume Veil but their mechs , magma and kayfun clones have gotten excellent reviews , send the dam thing back and get something else if you can .

    If they got into the box they didn't take anything. Got all the spare o-rings, four screws and a couple piece of silica wick. Like I say, no big deal. The guy on the assembly line probably had a few boxes to go but ran out of little baggies so he just tossed the spare crap in. Fine with me. The drip tip and atty were in little baggies.
     

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    Yes, all drippers are subject to leaking. And as long as you don't overfill and keep the device upright it wont leak. But my device will always find a way to end up on its side at some point. And the most leakproof design I have seen is the Veritas...even if it is slightly overfilled. It's just a clever design to keep juice away from the air hole that I have not seen on any other device. if you're religious about keeping your PV upright then there is no leakproof advantage to the Veritas. But for clods like me it is a valuable feature/design. And I also would feel more confident if I was laying back in bed watching TV and tilting it far back for a pull. I like to vape while laying in the sack.
    I like to vape in bed while watching tv myself , I have an angled driptip so I don't have to go full horizontal with my mod , simple solution for that . Go for the Veritas and give us a review . :)
     

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    I like to vape in bed while watching tv myself , I have an angled driptip so I don't have to go full horizontal with my mod , simple solution for that . Go for the Veritas and give us a review . :)

    I don't want to pay $120 for a Veritas. Or $15 for a Tobeco clone. I'll wait till someone else clones it that I trust. Yes, I'd give Infinite another crack if they make a Veritas clone. I've heard good things about them. They just messed up this particular one of mine. I do not see a Viking clone anywhere either. Not that it doesn't exist but I haven't seen one. There are very few reviews on the Viking too.
     

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    I don't want to pay $120 for a Veritas. Or $15 for a Tobeco clone. I'll wait till someone else clones it that I trust. Yes, I'd give Infinite another crack if they make a Veritas clone. I've heard good things about them. They just messed up this particular one of mine. I do not see a Viking clone anywhere either. Not that it doesn't exist but I haven't seen one. There are very few reviews on the Viking too.

    I hear ya on not trusting something from Tobeco... The ZNA clone they have ( and was posted about several posts back ) really has some nice specs listed for it... but I just couldn't get past or trust it being made by Tobeco. I ended up ordering the A-Mod version instead.
     

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    I don't want to pay $120 for a Veritas. Or $15 for a Tobeco clone. I'll wait till someone else clones it that I trust. Yes, I'd give Infinite another crack if they make a Veritas clone. I've heard good things about them. They just messed up this particular one of mine. I do not see a Viking clone anywhere either. Not that it doesn't exist but I haven't seen one. There are very few reviews on the Viking too.
    I've seen some people on ECF raving about the Viking but I haven't checked youtube for reviews , my primary interest in it is it's a four poster with directed airflow so it should be fun trying different builds on it but not to the tune of $120 .
     

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    I hear ya on not trusting something from Tobeco... The ZNA clone they have ( and was posted about several posts back ) really has some nice specs listed for it... but I just couldn't get past or trust it being made by Tobeco. I ended up ordering the A-Mod version instead.

    Just too many horror stories surrounding Tobeco products. Just do not want to go there. I was gonna toss a Magma in my Vape Royalty order while I was there buying the Plume Veil but all they had was a Tobeco Magma. No thanks!
     
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