Life in a post ban era

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a2dcovert

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I wonder what it will be like after the FDA slams the door? Will we be purchasing from underground web sites. Making contacts through email, telephone, or other methods.

Is one of the China big boys going to pay the big bucks for the FDA certification process? If the FDA does what I expect I'm sure many other countries will adopt similar guidelines.

Just wondering what our life will be like Hoarding is just a temporary solution eventually our stock will dwindle down. I think we will survive, the Genie is out of the bottle now and it's too late to put the cap back on.

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JKG

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I'd really don't wanna imagine what it'd be like but I guess it's a possible reality that we have to face. I know FDA has their own reasons but I can't understand why others don't see how this is a much healthier alternative than those damn cigarettes. The one thing that I've found to actually work and now a ban may possibly happen. I will probably go back to cancer sticks if I can't get used to vaping nic-free juice. That pisses me off because it not only hurts me, but also my wife who's a non-smoker. Hopefully, in time, someone with the "power" will see the light and attempt to push e-cigs through again, if in the event a ban happens.
 

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I'm not sure my resources will ever dwindle, my battery mod can be bought without restrictions; my carts will last 100 years; I can obtain e-liquid in any country, anywhere, any time; and I have enough atomizers to fuel a small countries e-cig habit.

I think life will be just fine post ban. I've done enough research to find my "work arounds". For the most part I find people are focusing on the problem too much and not the solution.
 

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They can ban all they want, never stopped americans from getting what they want before right?

PV's can be renamed a million different things to get into the country legally. the only issue will be juice. Juice is easy enough to make yourself although most people today are too afraid to try anything themselves.

I dont even have my first setup yet but I already have a batch of nic extract started and plans to make other extracts out of my other favorite herb. But then again I am a bit of a mad scientist/fabricator/alchemist.
 

Porphy

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They can ban all they want, never stopped americans from getting what they want before right?

PV's can be renamed a million different things to get into the country legally. the only issue will be juice. Juice is easy enough to make yourself although most people today are too afraid to try anything themselves.

I dont even have my first setup yet but I already have a batch of nic extract started and plans to make other extracts out of my other favorite herb. But then again I am a bit of a mad scientist/fabricator/alchemist.

You can buy juice post ban. Just grab up some lab grade PG based nicotine for research purposes.
 

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Well, I’m not the best of writers but I’m giving this a go. Hope it makes sense.
From where I sit, I think the PV will become more problematic in the legal and personal use since.
Sure, if I had my choice, I’d rather of had some company from Canada, UK, or the U.S. invent them, but it was China. But even with their bad reputation, since they want to market to the rest of the world, they will at least try to follow guidelines. The FDA could make sure they do, but instead, with a ban, they will turn a lot of people into Do It Yourselfers.
First, the PV has its unknowns. But at the moment, most people buy them instead of MIY. I’m one who would never have gone down that road under normal circumstances. The threat of the FDA banning forced me to. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy with my accomplishment and my NicoSticks, but there is more chance of human error or just getting carried away.
___ I could become another Tim Taylor from Home Improvement and boast the power so much that it will turn the PG or VG in acrolein.
___I could use unprotected batteries that would blow up in my face and mar me for life.
___Many will be forced to find other means to obtain their nicotine and most of these ways will have no safeguards to them at all.
___Someone from here already has figured out how to make a working atomizer. More will follow and none of them will be regulated for the heat it will put out which, again, could result in turning PG or VG into a dangerous chemical.
My point of view, the FDA will put more people in harms way than they THINK they are protecting.
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Legally this could turn into a fiasco. As it’s been said, the cat is out of the bag and it isn’t going to be easy getting it back in.
It’s like way back when when they declared recreational drugs illegal. Over the next few years it escalated into the War Against Drugs, and it’s a war we are losing and most of the victims ARE OUR CHILDREN.
Have you ever heard of a War Against Alcohol? Of course not and that’s because it’s remained legal since the prohibition and government has retained some kind of control over it.
(((Let me stray for a moment. Yes, you may think there is a difference between drugs and alcohol: But from my angle, even if I don’t want to legitimize drugs, don’t see a lot since I grew up with an alcoholic father. I was very fortunate not to be born with the gene but six out of nine of us kids were and those six all have a drinking problem.
And, I have to add, I actually use a drop or two of vodka in my homemade juice.)))
Anyway, back on topic. Drugs are an illegal substance and eliminating it from our world has failed miserably. In fact there will never be an all out victory.
Government is just setting up another failure nightmare with the PV. Banning its production and/or banning it from being sold will not put an end to the PV because:
Each component (battery, atomizer, liquid), is a MIY and none of these items by themselves is illegal.
Possessing the PV is not illegal.
Using the PV is not illegal.
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Of course there is those who will try and succeed often enough to keep themselves supplied from suppliers in China or wherever. Yes, they will break the law but what is the government going to do to their citizens? Put everyone in jail. I can see the reaction now with the headlines. HARDEN CRIMIMALS FREED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE VAPORERS.
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Myself. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that my last shipment makes it through. Once it gets here, unless I run into a bad run with atomizer failures, I’m set for years. Still, I’m hanging around here and the new group to fight any ban and to learn more about making my own atomizers. I’m determined that my government isn’t going to kill me.
 
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Straykat

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My biggest disappointment is not for me. I'll be fine. I'm on a tight track to quitting and have enough juice to actually start a black market business should i choose.

Since I started, so many friends of friends have come to me asking for advice on how to get started. I've written so many of them with advice, links, etc. I;ve also mentioned the possibility of an incoming ban. I know for a fact, many don't take me seriously. They are not as informed as those on this forum and will find themselves without supply. They will go back to smoking and that is the saddest part of all this.
 

span

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Prohibition doesn't work, will never work, and is probably the biggest godawful example of everything wrong about US government. When growing two mushrooms will put you in jail longer then committing murder, someone's priorities are seriously flawed.

And no matter, because if you want something badly enough, you can get it from just about anywhere.. It just might be more dangerous/unregulated/stolen/who know's what.
FDA and its cronies are ridiculous for thinking that making it illegal will make people stop using them. Prohibition does just the opposite of what they are *saying* they are trying to do - protect us? By banning it, they will just make things worse for us.
As all prohibition does.
And that's my rant on that.
 
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