Liquids, pharm grade? filler material?

[Lance_Wallen]

I've been reading a lot the last few days. Seems USP grade PG liquids without DEG are considered the 'safest'. I'm not here to start a debate about the dangers of DEG or lower quality PG so please don't beat that horse. What I am here to find out is how to tell what suppliers offer liquids that fall into that category.

I'm vaping because I want to get rid of the bad things in smoking, I'm even reducing my nic to 0 soon so even that's gone. I dont' want to replace those bad things with potentially other bad things.

I also had a question about filler material. Seems people are mostly using some sort of aquarium filter material for the cartos. Does anyone know if this stuff is actually safe when heated and have any backing proof for that?

In a perfect world where cost didn't matter, what would you use for filler material?

 

[swedishfish]

Get cartos without filler material if that seems to be an issue for you.

There are tanks, clearomizers, CE2's, dripping, you name it.

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Or make your own
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-tank-mod-youll-see-today-39.html#post3830069

Get into DIY for juice. There's a huge section just for that. Before you order, contact the suppliers and ask them.

 

[Icoth]

I also had a question about filler material. Seems people are mostly using some sort of aquarium filter material for the cartos. Does anyone know if this stuff is actually safe when heated and have any backing proof for that?

Are you talking about cartos or carts? They are different things.

 

[RIMP]

I've been reading a lot the last few days. Seems USP grade PG liquids without DEG are considered the 'safest'. I'm not here to start a debate about the dangers of DEG or lower quality PG so please don't beat that horse. What I am here to find out is how to tell what suppliers offer liquids that fall into that category.

I'm vaping because I want to get rid of the bad things in smoking, I'm even reducing my nic to 0 soon so even that's gone. I dont' want to replace those bad things with potentially other bad things.

I also had a question about filler material. Seems people are mostly using some sort of aquarium filter material for the cartos. Does anyone know if this stuff is actually safe when heated and have any backing proof for that?

In a perfect world where cost didn't matter, what would you use for filler material?

I'd use a carto, Boge 2.0 ohm pref with a Jonboy Lava tank. You get the best flavor and great vapor and they DON'T leak. Jonboy's Lava Tanks. Check out the thread and stalk the end of it. He'll be putting some up for sale prob sometime today It's like having an eternally topped off cart without the bother or waste That's my nickel Can't get the link to work, just do a search on the forum or check out today's posts.


For pharma grade pg. Go to CVS? Or Wal-mart and talk to the pharmacist and ask to order some. He'll say what for and you'll say, "I'm making lotions or soap" Easy peasy, in a day or so you have pharma grade pg. Mine was 16oz for $15

JonboyUSMC's Lava Tanks

 

[DC2]

I've been reading a lot the last few days. Seems USP grade PG liquids without DEG are considered the 'safest'. I'm not here to start a debate about the dangers of DEG or lower quality PG so please don't beat that horse. What I am here to find out is how to tell what suppliers offer liquids that fall into that category.

The only way to know for sure if a supplier is using USP grade liquid is to see it stated on their website.
I am fairly certain that every vendor registered on this website is using USP grade liquid though, whether their website says that or not.

It is pretty much assumed by any and all vapers that USP grade liquid is the only thing EVER used in making juice.
And every vendor that makes juice is equally aware of that, if not moreso.

 

[Boodle]

I've been reading a lot the last few days. Seems USP grade PG liquids without DEG are considered the 'safest'. I'm not here to start a debate about the dangers of DEG or lower quality PG so please don't beat that horse. What I am here to find out is how to tell what suppliers offer liquids that fall into that category.

I'm vaping because I want to get rid of the bad things in smoking, I'm even reducing my nic to 0 soon so even that's gone. I dont' want to replace those bad things with potentially other bad things.

I also had a question about filler material. Seems people are mostly using some sort of aquarium filter material for the cartos. Does anyone know if this stuff is actually safe when heated and have any backing proof for that?

In a perfect world where cost didn't matter, what would you use for filler material?

In a perfect world we'd have tanks with no filler material that don't crack and leak. I've spent too much chasing them. Fill 'em up, screw it on and vape. That would be awesome. I feel like I can taste the filler in cartos. They're scratchy on my throat and make me cough - like a tickle cough, not a smoker's one if I use them often. So, I drip. Cartos are so much more comvenient. I'm with you. We need an alternative. There are a lot of big companies positioning to offer pharma-grade juice with lot numbers and clear, descriptive labels. It's an exciting time in the industry for vapers.

 

[BlueMoods]

I am perfectly fine with fluval or blue foam. Fish are touchy creatures and, if it won't hurt them to have their water ran through it, it won't hurt me. IMO, too many today get hung up on the whole purity/cleanliness thing and take it too far. I say relax, be reasonable and just do what works for you.

 

[Lance_Wallen]

don't both cartos and carts need filler material? I was even under the impression that tanks used some sort of filler/wicking material that could potentially burn/melt due to contact with the heating elements.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

The eGo-T tanks don't require any filler and they wick by allowing the juice to move down on a spike that guides the juice to the wick inside the atomizer. Other tanks use a carto that's been modified in some way, either by cutting off the tube (CE2 MAP Tanks) or punching or cutting a hole in the carto itself (DCC Tanks.)

Cartomizers, with the exception of the CE2 or Clearomizers, have filler in them. This filler isn't really designed to be cleaned or messed with because cartomizers are designed to be disposable. This is also why they're so much cheaper than atomizers.

 

[Mindfield]

don't both cartos and carts need filler material? I was even under the impression that tanks used some sort of filler/wicking material that could potentially burn/melt due to contact with the heating elements.

Tanks, clearos and such only have a wick. Cartos and carts have filler. Cartos have heat-resistance socks around the coil(s), usually fibreglass or silica rope. Ideally you'd want to use the highest quality silica rope like this stuff -- the 99% material, which is heat resistant up to 2300° (or, put in perspective, 1/3rd the temperature of sun's surface). There isn't a PV coil on Earth that can put out anywhere near that.

But if the wick material is of that much concern to you, get yourself an iAtty or some other user-serviceable atomizer. You can get replacement wick material from the above link, and nichrome wire from most DIY hardware places like MadVapes. Then you'll know what materials go into your atty and there's no filler to worry about.

As for the filler burning in cartos, keep the coils wet and you won't have that problem. It's not an issue in carts as the filler is too far from the coil in the atty to burn.

 

[DC2]

don't both cartos and carts need filler material? I was even under the impression that tanks used some sort of filler/wicking material that could potentially burn/melt due to contact with the heating elements.

I don't know much about the wicking material in various types of cartomizers.
But I do know that a lot of people think atomizer wicks will burn, which they don't.

They see dark gunk with pieces that can flake off, and the whole thing tastes burnt and nasty.
They immediately assume the wick is burnt.

In fact, the best way to clean an atomizer is to do a dry burn which will burn off all the baked on gunk from the atomizer coil.
This process leaves the wicking material (an aramid fiber) as clean and white as when you bought it.
Same concept as a self-cleaning oven.

I've even read posts where people isolated the wick and took a lighter or bunson burner too it.
It does not burn, it does not even melt.

I would assume it is the same for cartomizer wicks, but I'm not certain.

 

[JustaGuy]

For me, the juice is the thing. I switched from analogs to save myself, but I'm less concerned with equipment than the material. If you inhale the vapor, that is what goes in your lungs. Filler burning seems very rare, if you ever encounter it, and will be only trace amounts. You'll taste and stop it. Day in and day out, the juice will fill your lungs and windpipe.

If you DIY, make sure you know who made the ingredients and how. If you buy ready mixed, find a trusted vendor. I'm partial to Johnson Creek and Dekang because they offer pics and video on their clean manufacturing facilities. Others can offer you more vendor choices. Good luck!

 

[Lance_Wallen]

ok, next set of stupid questions. What keeps the juice from spilling out of clearos or tanks? Seems the juice goes in the tube and there are wicks that feed the atty in the tube, what keeps the fluid from just flooding the atty and coming up the tube you breath through?

 

[Lance_Wallen]

I'm going to make my own juice eventually. ALso going to make my own vaporizers because I just like to make things. For the juice I'm going to try to get the pharm grade PG. Going to taste it solo first and see if I like the straight flavor of PG and then try to find out what makes a 'high quality vg' and find a source for that as well and try it solo. I'll start mixing whatever I can find as far as 'safe' flavors after that.

I'm with you on the material going into my lungs. I want to know it's safe. I'm vaping to quit smoking but I also enjoy the act of smoking with or without the chemicals so I intend to keep vaping at 0 nicotine once I finish weening myself off the good stuff.

Thank you all for your responses so far and patience with my ignorance I'm a quick learner but this is a totally foreign set of tech and concepts to me (except for the actual electronics, I get those pretty well) so I've gotta ask questions about the simplest parts it seems.

 

[MTV]

think of an oil lamp...there is nothing to move the PG through open space...unless you are doing it wrong

 

[MTV]

all of the juice makers should post their certifications online...not all do or are required to...


so those are good questions

 

[Lance_Wallen]

ok, in an oil lamp if I flip it upside down there's gonna be an issue.. that's what I'm getting at. Can these things without filler material be flipped around, put in pockets upside down, etc.

 

[MTV]

sure...and occasionally you can get eliq in your mouth/lips. What is the danger?...less then vaping because the ingestion of PG and VG have been studied for many years...while PG is a known gemacide and studied in vapor form since back in the 50's...I have not found much on VG in vapor form.

 

[Mindfield]

ok, in an oil lamp if I flip it upside down there's gonna be an issue.. that's what I'm getting at. Can these things without filler material be flipped around, put in pockets upside down, etc.

For tanks, it doesn't spill because a needle pokes through a small hole. There's a wick in that needle. So liquid has no place to actually spill out of. If the wick isn't in the right position (they can be fiddly buggers) it can sometimes allow enough juice to drip down and leak out, or if you prime puff a tank too much it can flood and leak.

CE2-type hybrids work in a kind of similar fashion. The ceramic cup that holds the wick and coil has notches out each side that the wick threads through. The top of the cup is then blocked by a cap with a small hole in it to allow air flow. Some can still be leaky, but from what I've been reading of the latest iteration of the CE2 (the CE2X Fluxomizer Deluxe) they've more or less solved any leaking issues.

And with any system it's still possible to get juice in your mouth sometimes even if it isn't leaking; the vapor can form condensation on the inside of the mouthpiece which can accumulate enough that drops of it can exit the mouthpiece and on to your lips.

 

[swedishfish]

I'm going to make my own juice eventually. ALso going to make my own vaporizers because I just like to make things. For the juice I'm going to try to get the pharm grade PG. Going to taste it solo first and see if I like the straight flavor of PG and then try to find out what makes a 'high quality vg' and find a source for that as well and try it solo. I'll start mixing whatever I can find as far as 'safe' flavors after that.

I'm with you on the material going into my lungs. I want to know it's safe. I'm vaping to quit smoking but I also enjoy the act of smoking with or without the chemicals so I intend to keep vaping at 0 nicotine once I finish weening myself off the good stuff.

Thank you all for your responses so far and patience with my ignorance I'm a quick learner but this is a totally foreign set of tech and concepts to me (except for the actual electronics, I get those pretty well) so I've gotta ask questions about the simplest parts it seems.

#1 goal get off cigarettes. PV's can be a short term solution or long term solution for you. Read up on mods, DIY, etc while your doing that. Sometimes people get so caught up in details they lose focus on what should be the goal. Quitting cigarettes. This is a step to get there for most us who have tried and haven't been successful with traditional methods.

I don't know anything about you- your age, smoking habits, home much you smoke. This may be the step you need to go cold turkey. Others slowly wean themselves off nicotine. Many enjoy vaping and are glad to not be smoking cigarettes. I'm not trying to tell you what to do but I wouldn't focus too much on what's in the juice or what's in the wicking material that you don't give vaping a try. At least you'll be off cigarettes and you do know how unhealthy they are. Not that you shouldn't voice your concerns, they're valid. If you're unsure about vaping think of it as an interim solution to your long term goal of quitting.

Gums and patches are about 11% successful. Vaping, according to polls is about 80% successful.