Cartridge filler materials

[blondeambition3]

I LLLLLLLLOVE the Lipton Brand "Pyramid" Tea Bag Cart modification!

Unlike "conventional" Tea Bag (papers) it's much more durable (no fraying, tangling, singe-ing or anything for me) and wicks the atomizer beautifully.. now I'm vaping ALL day on a single e-cig whereas before I was going through four or five on the standard fluval that comes in them. (I was really getting a little 'tired' with all of the 'topping off' & dripping too.)

The PTB mod is 'my' personal favorite so far.....

It does concern me however that it's made from the same (PET - polyethylene terephthalate) 'plastic' material water bottles & such is made of as I hear all of the time that the 'substances - estrogens' that (allegedly!) leaches from these plastics is not good for us....
One must always 'consider their sources' when dealing with such matters.... obviously the Company that manufactures the plastics for water bottles & what have you is going to 'claim' the safety of their Product.....

I stopped smoking so that I could regain my Health.... and started vaping in the hopes of having the 'best of both Worlds' without compromising my Health... Am I asking too much to desire this?

I really wish the Manufacturers of our e-cigs would jump in and help us out some here & improve the 'fillers' in our cart mods (They just don't 'burn' long enough!).... I realize they have to make a 'buck' too... but right now (during these hard economic times) we 'addicts' need to watch every buck we spend.

Here's an Article I found on the Web -

PET plastic bottles may pose serious health hazards

Thu-Apr 30, 2009
Melbourne / NewsX Bureau
A recent study in Australia has revealed, drinking from bottles made of PET (polyethylene terephthalate) plastic may pose a health risk.

According to lead researcher Martin Wagner, Goethe University, Frankfurt, questions can be raised over the goodness and safety of the PET plastic water bottles.

Estrogenic compounds trickle into the water in bottles made from PET, found researchers. Moreover there are certain other yet-to-be-identified chemicals in these plastics that seem to have the ability to react with estrogen and other reproductive hormones.

"What we found was really surprising to us. If you drink water from plastic bottles, you have a high probability of drinking estrogenic compounds," ABC Science quoted Wagner as saying.

Meanwhile, it was still too early to conclude if PET plastics were a cause of concern in relations to human health, warned Wagner and his team.

Shanna Swan, an epidemiologist at the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry in New York, said maybe a revised review of so-called "safe" plastics was required.

Swan added: "This is coming at a good time because the use of bottles for consuming water is getting very bad press now because of its carbon footprint.

She continued: "This raises questions about all plastic bottles”.

* anyone else have any other information on this?

I'm going to continue to use it until I have something a little more 'solid' to go on.....

 

[Raven1]

You'll cut up sheep but you won't cut up tea bags??

No one's cutting up a sheep to get wool - you are simply giving them a hair cut!

 

[paise]

I wish the e-cig companies would offer the material they use in the initial cartridges in a rather large bag to be sold through the distributor vendors just as they do with the e-cig kits and e-liquids but I have a feeling that will never happen.

The poly filler works well; however, as many have noted and/or commented, it is a bit of work to pull the stuff apart, pull from that an approximation of what one needs to roll into a size thta will 1) fit in the cartridge and 2) do so in a manner where it's not too tight or too loose, and 3) have the ability to insert the material in such a way that it wicks well but doesn't run out either through the mouth piece side or over-drain from the other (open side) of the cartridge.

The teabag option just doesn't work for me. I can't seem to get it to go in as I want it to, have it wick properly, or force it to stay in the cartridge when I must remove it to refill. It's most likely a blind thing. I have a decent feel for the poly maternal going into the cartridge, staying there, and I can place part of the tip of my finger on the edge of the cartridge to get an almost exact feel as to how much or how little liquid is in the cart w/o overfilling it and making a mess or too little for the e-cig to vape.

I LLLLLLLLOVE the Lipton Brand "Pyramid" Tea Bag Cart modification!

Unlike "conventional" Tea Bag (papers) it's much more durable (no fraying, tangling, singe-ing or anything for me) and wicks the atomizer beautifully.. now I'm vaping ALL day on a single e-cig whereas before I was going through four or five on the standard fluval that comes in them. (I was really getting a little 'tired' with all of the 'topping off' & dripping too.)

The PTB mod is 'my' personal favorite so far.....

It does concern me however that it's made from the same (PET - polyethylene terephthalate) 'plastic' material water bottles & such is made of as I hear all of the time that the 'substances - estrogens' that (allegedly!) leaches from these plastics is not good for us....
One must always 'consider their sources' when dealing with such matters.... obviously the Company that manufactures the plastics for water bottles & what have you is going to 'claim' the safety of their Product.....

I stopped smoking so that I could regain my Health.... and started vaping in the hopes of having the 'best of both Worlds' without compromising my Health... Am I asking too much to desire this?

I really wish the Manufacturers of our e-cigs would jump in and help us out some here & improve the 'fillers' in our cart mods (They just don't 'burn' long enough!).... I realize they have to make a 'buck' too... but right now (during these hard economic times) we 'addicts' need to watch every buck we spend.

Here's an Article I found on the Web -

PET plastic bottles may pose serious health hazards

Thu-Apr 30, 2009
Melbourne / NewsX Bureau
A recent study in Australia has revealed, drinking from bottles made of PET (polyethylene terephthalate) plastic may pose a health risk.

According to lead researcher Martin Wagner, Goethe University, Frankfurt, questions can be raised over the goodness and safety of the PET plastic water bottles.

Estrogenic compounds trickle into the water in bottles made from PET, found researchers. Moreover there are certain other yet-to-be-identified chemicals in these plastics that seem to have the ability to react with estrogen and other reproductive hormones.

"What we found was really surprising to us. If you drink water from plastic bottles, you have a high probability of drinking estrogenic compounds," ABC Science quoted Wagner as saying.

Meanwhile, it was still too early to conclude if PET plastics were a cause of concern in relations to human health, warned Wagner and his team.

Shanna Swan, an epidemiologist at the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry in New York, said maybe a revised review of so-called "safe" plastics was required.

Swan added: "This is coming at a good time because the use of bottles for consuming water is getting very bad press now because of its carbon footprint.

She continued: "This raises questions about all plastic bottles”.

* anyone else have any other information on this?

I'm going to continue to use it until I have something a little more 'solid' to go on.....

 

[blondeambition3]

I found this interesting Article on the Internet about PET... what does everyone make of this?

Polyethylene terephthalate is a polyester material that is most often used to make fibers, parts made by injection molding, and containers for food and beverages, pharmaceuticals and make-up. Polyethylene terephthalate is frequently shortened to PET or PETE and was formerly called PETP or PET-P. PET may also be recycled to make carpeting or fiber filling.

What is Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)?

Isn't the fluval that comes in our e-cig cartridges made of polyester?..

I'm thinking now there's no difference....

... or is there?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I found this interesting Article on the Internet about PET... what does everyone make of this?

Polyethylene terephthalate is a polyester material that is most often used to make fibers, parts made by injection molding, and containers for food and beverages, pharmaceuticals and make-up. Polyethylene terephthalate is frequently shortened to PET or PETE and was formerly called PETP or PET-P. PET may also be recycled to make carpeting or fiber filling.

What is Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)?

Isn't the fluval that comes in our e-cig cartridges made of polyester?..

I'm thinking now there's no difference....

... or is there?

Blonde, whatever it is, I do not want to know. That is why I went to dripping over 8 months ago--knocked any issues with that right out of the equation---better throat hit too!!

Sun

 

[blondeambition3]

Blonde, whatever it is, I do not want to know. That is why I went to dripping over 8 months ago--knocked any issues with that right out of the equation---better throat hit too!!

Sun

I read ya Sun.....

 

[hrundi]

hey chuckie....let us know if the straw improves it at all, although I have so little tea bag material rolled up that there is an air gap down to the bottom of my cart anyway. I do think the air being able to get into the cart helps a lot.

I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but I can't read all 30 pages, I found this post through a search. Can anyone tell me what are the drawbacks (if any) - particularly health-wise, someone on youtube mentioned bacteria - to using ordinary tea bags instead of lipton's? I can't get "pyramid" where I live.

I've been using the straw+tea bag method, it's the best one so far - it's flavorless (fluval stinks) and when you cut it to the right size it wicks really well.

 

[Raven1]

I wish the e-cig companies would offer the material they use in the initial cartridges in a rather large bag to be sold through the distributor vendors just as they do with the e-cig kits and e-liquids but I have a feeling that will never happen.

The poly filler works well; however, as many have noted and/or commented, it is a bit of work to pull the stuff apart, pull from that an approximation of what one needs to roll into a size thta will 1) fit in the cartridge and 2) do so in a manner where it's not too tight or too loose, and 3) have the ability to insert the material in such a way that it wicks well but doesn't run out either through the mouth piece side or over-drain from the other (open side) of the cartridge.

The teabag option just doesn't work for me. I can't seem to get it to go in as I want it to, have it wick properly, or force it to stay in the cartridge when I must remove it to refill. It's most likely a blind thing. I have a decent feel for the poly maternal going into the cartridge, staying there, and I can place part of the tip of my finger on the edge of the cartridge to get an almost exact feel as to how much or how little liquid is in the cart w/o overfilling it and making a mess or too little for the e-cig to vape.

I agree - suppliers, please sell replacement cart core fillers; ones that work well and don't fall out of the carts!

 

[unsure]

Are you SURE? I don't know about that - and if so, are there different TYPES of polyfill?? Different brands of carts seem to have different filler properties. And ALL of them absorb the liquid better than the bags of polyfill I've bought to restuff. The stuff in the bags just lets the liquid sit on top instead of absorbing, and the fibers are constantly coming out and stick in the atty/bridge.

I tried Fluval, its slightly better at wicking and doesn't fall out of the cart quite as readily, but this stuff gives my liquid a strange taste.

I don't want to deal with cutting up tea bags, so now I'm thinking of buying either organic wool or just getting new replacement carts. Any suggestions?

Hmmm all these suggestions have my head spinning.

Would any og these be safe and work well?
http://www.poly-fil.com/fiberfill.asp

 

[GoodDog]

Hmmm all these suggestions have my head spinning.

Would any og these be safe and work well?
Fairfield: poly-fil, fiber fil, fiberfill, fiberfil, stuffing, polyester stuffing, polyfill, poly fill, poly fil, stuffing, fiber, EZ stiff, crafters choice, soft touch

If it's 100% Polyester without the flame ......ant it should be fine. Attys don't get hot enough to melt polyester from what I've read, so some say the flame ......ant isn't a problem.

The easiest and cheapest thing to do, if you don't want to use Fluval, is to go to your local fabric store and buy 1/8 yard of polyester batting on the roll. It's slightly heat fused and tends to stay in the cart a little better, not as fluffy and hard to deal with as polyfil IMO.

I prefer the Fluval as long as you buy the right one and not the one that looks like a sponge. It needs to be rinsed first, but it holds juice and wicks really well.

 

[DannyTheVamp]

I have a Super Mini (RN4081) and used to roll my own rather than smoke cigarettes. so after using the pretty useless cartridges that came with the starter kit, I ordered some dual capacity cart's at Liberty Flights (.co.uk) for 37p each (which come with some filler material already in) and some e-juice from the same site.

As I say, the original orange cart's that came with the kit weren't exactly decent - very small to refill, a real pain to clean before refilling (as they were seemingly glued in place, again which is a concern in itself) and because of the size, had to be refilled too often for my liking.

After a few weeks of using, cleaning and refilling the dual capacity cart's, some of the wadding in them started to attach itself to the atomiser after I vaped, as well as lose some of its density in the white cap, so I went out and bought a 1.5m sheet of "6oz Flame ......ant Wadding" (the size was the smallest I could get and the quotes are because this is what the old dear in the wool and material shop I went to called it, as I didn't have a clue what to ask for, but it looked right...) and for £1.75 worked out at around 2000 cart's worth...

The results of using this wadding (although it is a learning curve as to how much to use, and how to tease it out so as to best fit in the cap) are superb so far - I can now have a constant supply of fresh untainted wad's which (in theory) are re-usable themselves and the vapour I am now getting is heavy and flavoursome.

It's also giving me some ideas of coming up with a triple capacity cart so watch this space on that one, but am really pleased with the results from this and would recommend it to all who refill their own carts.

 

[HotNostril]

Do they make it without the Flame ......ant ? I would worry about inhaling that stuff.

 

[Savantster]

......... teabag, teabag, teabag..........


Lovin it. Thanks to whoever discovered the teabag

I believe it was some 13 year old on an MMO who first discovered the crouch key while standing over someone's corpse.

 

[lightinup]

After a few weeks of using, cleaning and refilling the dual capacity cart's, some of the wadding in them started to attach itself to the atomiser after I vaped, as well as lose some of its density in the white cap, so I went out and bought a 1.5m sheet of "6oz Flame ......ant Wadding" (the size was the smallest I could get and the quotes are because this is what the old dear in the wool and material shop I went to called it, as I didn't have a clue what to ask for, but it looked right...) and for £1.75 worked out at around 2000 cart's worth...

If it states "Flame ......ant" then it has been treated with chemicals and that is not something you want to be vaping with as it could be extremely toxic.

I have to say that IMHO the PTB is the best for me. I have tried the blue foam, that was gross, tried the Fluval that was like polyester filling and that didn't wick well at all, then the Fluval foam which is like the blue foam, better because it didn't have that nasty taste but still when it came to wicking.......better but not that great. After each and every one of these, went right back to my original, PTB.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

If it's 100% Polyester without the flame ......ant it should be fine. Attys don't get hot enough to melt polyester from what I've read, so some say the flame ......ant isn't a problem.

The easiest and cheapest thing to do, if you don't want to use Fluval, is to go to your local fabric store and buy 1/8 yard of polyester batting on the roll. It's slightly heat fused and tends to stay in the cart a little better, not as fluffy and hard to deal with as polyfil IMO.

I prefer the Fluval as long as you buy the right one and not the one that looks like a sponge. It needs to be rinsed first, but it holds juice and wicks really well.

You are 100 percent correct Gooddog on all counts!!


Sun

 

[DannyTheVamp]

Do they make it without the Flame ......ant ? I would worry about inhaling that stuff.

Never thought of it like that...

I'll have a bit nose around and let people know on here.

 

[Darkvapor]

alrighty now, let me start out by saying i only got to page 21! whew alot of info here.

a lot of pretty darn smart people here too!

i use a Joye 510! i have read elsewhere that people have been using the tea bag method so i even found a Video on here as to how to roll and fold. its awsome. works great so far.
Thank you Pete!

 

[North Shore]

I just came wandering through here at exactly the right time. I would happily volunteer to test a couple of Lika's carts.

I would also like to point out something else. What about the cartridges themselves?

Sure, one would expect to melt the ends of 801 carts using 6--even with an HV atomizer stepping it down to maybe 5. That's another good reason to just drip. I have also put some dents in 510 carts using a low resistance atomizer at 3.7V.

However, I have also done the same using my favorite Rio 801's at 3.7V. So I cut the cartridge slightly shorter with an exacto blade, which worked well. Like, will your carts be made of a more heat resistant material as well as the core?