List of MFG's of VV devices

[Zen~]

Well now, I guess that the company that "invented" variable wattage will follow suite. I love when it's all about the "buck"...

LOL... it's ALWAYS about the buck...

I'll tell you what... Go to work next week and don't get paid for it... heck... go for a year!

What? You're only in it for the BUCK? How dare you expect to get paid for your work!

Guys... Making a living is not EVIL!

 

[Zen~]

My patent applications have been filed for variable amperage & variable resistance, so I think we have Ohm's Law covered now. Too bad the poor ....... isn't around for this debate. The royalties he's missing out on...

Sarcasm like this only serves to heat up an already hot topic... and it also demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge regarding the subject matter.

 

[nerak]

I could use some help here . I need to compile a list of companies that make VV devices so far I have



Pro vape
Eclypse
Reos box mods
Monkeybox
Sabor touch
Vaprlife

According the the Patent Application, which states in the Summary:
[0010] In an exemplary embodiment, a power indication means is included to provide the user with a visual indication of when the power source is energizing the electronic control unit and hence the heating element of the atomizer.

[0011] In an exemplary embodiment, a low power indication means is included to provide the user with a visual indication of when the power source lacks sufficient capacity to energize the electrical heating element. A power switch is configured to energize the electronic control unit with the power source when closed. The power indication means and low power indication means are typically provided using a dual junction light emitting diode.

[0012] In an exemplary embodiment, the main body includes an elongated hollow tube which houses the electronic control unit and power source. The electronic control unit may be supported by an internal annular ring formed from internal discontinuities in wall thicknesses of the elongated hollow tube. In this exemplary embodiment, the electronic control unit may be axially aligned along a common longitudinal centerline with the main body and disposed upon the annular ring such that an outer circumference of the electronic control unit is in physical with a surface of the annular ring. The main body may be constructed from a metal which may be used to form a common electrical ground for the power source, electronic control unit and atomizer.

The REO line of products DO NOT fit the description of a VV mod.

 

[Zen~]

The REO line of products DO NOT fit the description of a VV mod.

LOL... if it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it does, that's covered in several of the claims... If it looks like a baseball, or a set of monkey bars and it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it... it's protected under that patent...

You've singled out individual claims that the REO does not match... the point of the patent is protection against the features that DO match... and if there is a REO with VV, and it uses a buck/boost or linear regulator, it's a VV PV covered by this patent.

Edit: I think Mike can back me up on this claim... Intelectual property is a hot button for me, and I go toe to toe with Patent attorneys in my daily grind... I'm going to distance myself from this thread for a bit before I catch myself a perma-ban for saying something I should avoid saying...

My parting shot will be that IP is important to protect, and the patent office does a pretty good job of deciding if a patent is deserved for an invention. If the patent issues, it will be because Mike deserves it... no other reason.

 

[MXBNW]

I think Red Sky Mods is building one or is offering one soon.

 

[Gracchus Grey]

madvapes VV box

 

[jonesn]

So let me get this straight. If I take a technology already commonly in use, say a wheel, and incorporate it to another industry that doesn't use it, let's say a laptop, then I should be able to get a patent for that? Not for the laptop that I built but for the laptop having wheels?

Karen's point is that the REO product line shouldn't be on this "list' at all to start with because there is NO VV Reo. point blank. So it doesn't matter how many if's u state because it doesn't.

LOL... if it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it does, that's covered in several of the claims... If it looks like a baseball, or a set of monkey bars and it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it... it's protected under that patent...

You've singled out individual claims that the REO does not match... the point of the patent is protection against the features that DO match... and if there is a REO with VV, and it uses a buck/boost or linear regulator, it's a VV PV covered by this patent.

Edit: I think Mike can back me up on this claim... Intelectual property is a hot button for me, and I go toe to toe with Patent attorneys in my daily grind... I'm going to distance myself from this thread for a bit before I catch myself a perma-ban for saying something I should avoid saying...

My parting shot will be that IP is important to protect, and the patent office does a pretty good job of deciding if a patent is deserved for an invention. If the patent issues, it will be because Mike deserves it... no other reason.

 

[scinsc]

Sorry but I don't think Mike invented the VV PV. There were early VV devices back in 2009 built by people on this very forum, they just weren't on the market.

I don't think being the first to invent something is the point here or even matters. It's the first to get to the Patent office. Alexander Graham Bell wasn't the first to invent the telephone. He used concepts from working models made as early as the 1850's. He was however savvy enough to get the patent in the 1870's.

 

[nerak]

LOL... if it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it does, that's covered in several of the claims... If it looks like a baseball, or a set of monkey bars and it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it... it's protected under that patent...

You've singled out individual claims that the REO does not match... the point of the patent is protection against the features that DO match... and if there is a REO with VV, and it uses a buck/boost or linear regulator, it's a VV PV covered by this patent.

Edit: I think Mike can back me up on this claim... Intelectual property is a hot button for me, and I go toe to toe with Patent attorneys in my daily grind... I'm going to distance myself from this thread for a bit before I catch myself a perma-ban for saying something I should avoid saying...

My parting shot will be that IP is important to protect, and the patent office does a pretty good job of deciding if a patent is deserved for an invention. If the patent issues, it will be because Mike deserves it... no other reason.

So, If it is just a box to which a atomizer can be attached, Battery, firing pin, on/off switch then it is not a VV. Even if you can switch the batteries and use different volts. I have never seen a buck/boost or linear regulator on a REO.

 

[Bluzeman]

Well, my take is the actual circuit that Mike uses should be patented. No one should be allowed to copy his design and make money off of it.

That being said, there are a gazillion different ways to make a VV circuit. I'm not quite sure I like the idea of an abstract like that being patented.

I have made a few bucks on the side selling mods to friends. I just recently got into building VV mods, and I will continue to do so. I only own one Infinity, and as much as I paid for it, I guarantee that I did not (and will not) disassemble it for any reverse-engineering projects.

 

[Ruppy]

So let me get this straight. If I take a technology already commonly in use, say a wheel, and incorporate it to another industry that doesn't use it, let's say a laptop, then I should be able to get a patent for that? Not for the laptop that I built but for the laptop having wheels?

Karen's point is that the REO product line shouldn't be on this "list' at all to start with because there is NO VV Reo. point blank. So it doesn't matter how many if's u state because it doesn't.

For the most part...Yes

There are some Government stipulations on obvious use but utilizing common items in a new way to achieve a "useful" product can be patented.

So, If it is just a box to which a atomizer can be attached, Battery, firing pin, on/off switch then it is not a VV. Even if you can switch the batteries and use different volts. I have never seen a buck/boost or linear regulator on a REO.

Pretty sure everyone regarding the Reo line is correct. To my knowledge he does not currently produce a product that would apply.

 

[BuzzKill]

You could fill a thimble with what I know about patent law and still have room to spare.

Is it not proper to apply for a patent and have it pending before releasing/marketing the product?

In the USA you have 1 year to apply , in other countries it is not that way , we only applied in the USA ,

Oh, and Robert has NOT built a VV reo. He was merely discussing the idea, so you may want to remove his name from your little "list"...

DONE !~

My patent applications have been filed for variable amperage & variable resistance, so I think we have Ohm's Law covered now. Too bad the poor ....... isn't around for this debate. The royalties he's missing out on...

I will bow to the GOD ! HE knows all LOL

So let me get this straight. If I take a technology already commonly in use, say a wheel, and incorporate it to another industry that doesn't use it, let's say a laptop, then I should be able to get a patent for that? Not for the laptop that I built but for the laptop having wheels?

Karen's point is that the REO product line shouldn't be on this "list' at all to start with because there is NO VV Reo. point blank. So it doesn't matter how many if's u state because it doesn't.

Basically YES but it is much more complicated than that , I have 10 patents and have been at this a long time and there are lots of areas I do not totally understand it can be complicated for sure.

For the most part...Yes

There are some Government stipulations on obvious use but utilizing common items in a new way to achieve a "useful" product can be patented.

Pretty sure everyone regarding the Reo line is correct. To my knowledge he does not currently produce a product that would apply.

I talked to the Reo people already they are removed from the list

 

[cuseguy]

So this patent application covers every possible circuit configuration, as long as the end result is a Variable voltage circuit that is used on a Personal Vaporizer?

 

[cuseguy]

LOL... if it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it does, that's covered in several of the claims... If it looks like a baseball, or a set of monkey bars and it has a voltage regulator and a means to adjust it, and it's used for vaping it... it's protected under that patent...

You've singled out individual claims that the REO does not match... the point of the patent is protection against the features that DO match... and if there is a REO with VV, and it uses a buck/boost or linear regulator, it's a VV PV covered by this patent.

Edit: I think Mike can back me up on this claim... Intelectual property is a hot button for me, and I go toe to toe with Patent attorneys in my daily grind... I'm going to distance myself from this thread for a bit before I catch myself a perma-ban for saying something I should avoid saying...

My parting shot will be that IP is important to protect, and the patent office does a pretty good job of deciding if a patent is deserved for an invention. If the patent issues, it will be because Mike deserves it... no other reason.

I certainly agree, IP should be defended and protected and Mike certainly should protect what is legitimately his. The question remains whether it gives him a right to blanket an outcome, no matter how it is achieved. I guess we will have to trust the patent process to provide that answer.

 

[Ruppy]

I certainly agree, IP should be defended and protected and Mike certainly should protect what is legitimately his. The question remains whether it gives him a right to blanket an outcome, no matter how it is achieved. I guess we will have to trust the patent process to provide that answer.

Thats right Cuseguy.

Theres a burden of proof required, followed by a review, followed by notification to other parties, followed by alot of other things. Its not like they just hand out patents to anyone that asks for one. Its also why it takes years for the whole process.

 

[Gracchus Grey]

Wait-- Is buzz trying to copyright VV as applied too e-cigs in totality? Or just specific mechanisms for VV integration in e-cigs.

His design has certainly been ripped off by a number of manufacturers.

 

[Fusoya]

Wait-- Is buzz trying to copyright VV as applied too e-cigs in totality? Or just specific mechanisms for VV integration in e-cigs.

I'm wondering this myself.

Brandon

 

[GMoney]

I certainly agree, IP should be defended and protected and Mike certainly should protect what is legitimately his. The question remains whether it gives him a right to blanket an outcome, no matter how it is achieved. I guess we will have to trust the patent process to provide that answer.

People need to lighten up a little bit.

The Patent system is a crucial part of the success of this country. Without patent protection in place, companies would not dedicate time and money to innovation. Research, development and start up production costs are prohibitively expensive and inventors must be allowed to recoup their investment or it is simply not worth the effort.

While I generally don't trust the Gov't to do much right, lol, the patent office doesn't grant patents without a fairly tough review process. Before they grant the patent they must consider the invention "novel" and "non-obvious" in light of the prior-art and they will scrutinize the claims and will not grant ones that are "over-broad" in what they cover.

While it may end up costing some mod sellers a small licensing fee, there will be greater innovation and advancement in the industry as a whole going forward into the future.

 

[Ruppy]

People need to lighten up a little bit.

The Patent system is a crucial part of the success of this country. Without patent protection in place, companies would not dedicate time and money to innovation. Research, development and start up production costs are prohibitively expensive and inventors must be allowed to recoup their investment or it is simply not worth the effort.

While I generally don't trust the Gov't to do much right, lol, the patent office doesn't grant patents without a fairly tough review process. Before they grant the patent they must consider the invention "novel" and "non-obvious" in light of the prior-art and they will scrutinize the claims and will not grant ones that are "over-broad" in what they cover.

While it may end up costing some mod sellers a small licensing fee, there will be greater innovation and advancement in the industry as a whole going forward into the future.

VERY well said Gmoney

 

[BuzzKill]

We are only going after VV in an E-cig or Personal Vaporizer , we did both because there is another market ( toke toke ) that uses vaporizers and we are looking at that market as well.

In the long run we are protecting our design from copiers and BIG business when it gets into this market ( and IT will !! )

I am protecting Myself , my employees and my company , I have 5 emp. they work in the USA , they pay taxes , they are employed and are not draining the system so what is wrong with that ???