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Your juvenile record is sealed if you seal it. Some jurisdictions do not automatically seal it.
So all persons involved in narcotics crime are stupid? I think there might be some folks who would disagree with that.
I am not asking you to educate yourself, I did ask you to share a time when you had been helpful to a citizen in your area. Boasting about narcotics crime isn't exactly doing it for me, although it's nice you did I guess? I hope they got treatment along with their sentence but again, I don't live in your jurisdiction. I don't exactly have an issue with breaking up narcotics crime either, it's the attitude I take issue with. There is no need to call persons with addiction dumb and worthless, it's bad enough living it.
Look, I understand you have to "steel" your humanity against such hapless tragedy and crime and I suppose getting those "dumb folks' off the street has merit or whatever.
But, have you ever, you know, done something like help a granny across the street, or like, .even as a civilian?
I do not claim to know anything at all about your jurisdiction or your policies.
I do know something about the attitudes of the police here and the head of the police squad does like to call into a radio show from time to time to talk about policy. He's not always terrible, but he does either not have a handle on ALL of our county's huge graft problem or he is willing to lie/be misinformed from time to time.
I don't think I ever claimed to know anything about you other than your attitude, which is, as I said condescending. I don't actually care at this point, you've shown what you are about, and so I have I,. I suppose.
I'm giving up on YOU showing me how great cops are. Besides, I already know it based on PAST experience.
I just find it odd that you invalidate my experiences as if there were no bad police jurisdictions, anywhere. There are.
Anna
So all persons involved in narcotics crime are stupid? I think there might be some folks who would disagree with that.
I am not asking you to educate yourself, I did ask you to share a time when you had been helpful to a citizen in your area. Boasting about narcotics crime isn't exactly doing it for me, although it's nice you did I guess? I hope they got treatment along with their sentence but again, I don't live in your jurisdiction. I don't exactly have an issue with breaking up narcotics crime either, it's the attitude I take issue with. There is no need to call persons with addiction dumb and worthless, it's bad enough living it.
Look, I understand you have to "steel" your humanity against such hapless tragedy and crime and I suppose getting those "dumb folks' off the street has merit or whatever.
But, have you ever, you know, done something like help a granny across the street, or like, .even as a civilian?
I do not claim to know anything at all about your jurisdiction or your policies.
I do know something about the attitudes of the police here and the head of the police squad does like to call into a radio show from time to time to talk about policy. He's not always terrible, but he does either not have a handle on ALL of our county's huge graft problem or he is willing to lie/be misinformed from time to time.
I don't think I ever claimed to know anything about you other than your attitude, which is, as I said condescending. I don't actually care at this point, you've shown what you are about, and so I have I,. I suppose.
I'm giving up on YOU showing me how great cops are. Besides, I already know it based on PAST experience.
I just find it odd that you invalidate my experiences as if there were no bad police jurisdictions, anywhere. There are.
Anna
Yeah but some things, like a poor attorney, is not the fault of police.. also, hanging out with friends who run around robbing people isn't the best of crowds.
There is a reason for the saying your known for the company you keep, they likely lumped you into something by association or one of your freinds sold you up river, but you were a kid.
It's a sealed record, and life goes on. Your bad experience isn't most peoples, and doesn't even speak negatively about police.
They do their best and you have a chance to argue the point in front of a judge..
My husband (current) was arrested for domestic violence on a false charge (he gave the woman he was with advance warning he was leaving her, against my perfectly good advice, and she called the cops on him for spite)
So anyway he was arrested spent a night in jail and had to appear in court. He chose, of course, to argue his case and provide evidence to prove his case, was found not guilty, case dismissed by the judge and he didn't even have a lawyer.
We have a chance always, that is what the court system is for, to prove ourselves innocent. All you have to ask is how often were you abused or physically hurt
Maybe the system failed you, sometimes it does... look how many were on death row who were found innocent after dna came into being. But I believe wholeheartedly in the system.. it does the best it can for all involved.
No, i do commit crimes, it's just that i want a fair hearing which isn't based on any previous convictions which aren't actually crimes i took part in, that's all. I'm not seeking comfort by trying to place blame elsewhere.
Nice long winded rant but since you don't know where I worked your entire posts sounds like Charlie Browns teacher.......
I won't bother responding any further and you are free to bash and hate all you want.. There is no law against being uneducated on things as if there were we'd all be locked up. You see I would not argue with a tax accountant over my taxes, I'd not argue with my doctor over the length of an incision he/she needs to make as I am uneducated in these matters...
If I wanted to argue with them or bash them over it then I'd educate myself before hand....
Rant, hate, post nonsense onward I suppose....
I'd still recommend you attend a citizens academy or citizen ride along before bashing away but do as you please...
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I will add though, that the Chichester CPS were the most condescending people you might ever meet. And i'm glad the government shut them down. Now, us locals go to the Worthing law courts, those folks are actually very understanding. There's just something about Chichester, in Chi, the locals are just stuck up.
In before close.
I work with a fellow who was wrongly accused and spent time in the big house some 20 years ago. Today his life is all messed up. Why?
Because he keeps screwing up. If Mr. Judge keeps seeing your face, what's he or she to think? Same when Johnny Law sees you with known criminals.
My wife's middle son decided to be a criminal in his mid teen years. He was not very good at it so he kept getting caught.
One day he told me the cop had thwacked him on the head and he was going to complain to the judge. My reply (when I stopped laughing) was "let me get this straight, you are going to tell a judge who has seen you 8 times in 2 years that the police officer who wears lots of hero medals on his uniform treated you bad?" "Who do you think the judge is going to believe?" Then I told him "dude, you are not good at this whole criminal thing, so why not find another hobby you are good at?"
Fast forward a few years: He is pretty good at driving a tractor trailor in tight quarters, real good at working his .... off at work and even better at staying out of trouble.
He was facing 88 years in jail at 18 years old. One day he decided that shooting himself in the foot causes him to limp and decided it wasn't the world that was out to get him. It was him.
I work with a fellow who was wrongly accused and spent time in the big house some 20 years ago. Today his life is all messed up. Why?
Because he keeps screwing up. If Mr. Judge keeps seeing your face, what's he or she to think? Same when Johnny Law sees you with known criminals.
My wife's middle son decided to be a criminal in his mid teen years. He was not very good at it so he kept getting caught.
One day he told me the cop had thwacked him on the head and he was going to complain to the judge. My reply (when I stopped laughing) was "let me get this straight, you are going to tell a judge who has seen you 8 times in 2 years that the police officer who wears lots of hero medals on his uniform treated you bad?" "Who do you think the judge is going to believe?" Then I told him "dude, you are not good at this whole criminal thing, so why not find another hobby you are good at?"
Fast forward a few years: He is pretty good at driving a tractor trailor in tight quarters, real good at working his .... off at work and even better at staying out of trouble.
He was facing 88 years in jail at 18 years old. One day he decided that shooting himself in the foot causes him to limp and decided it wasn't the world that was out to get him. It was him.
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Actually that is the first post of yours that made sense to me.
I was in fact asking you to educate me, but you repeatedly refused. I have repeatedly requested you do so.
However, since you are a random person on the internet, I am not going to automatically agree with things you say, especially when the contradict my own past experience. It just won't be happening.
But I am certainly in agreement that you have more knowledge, potentially, of your job and jurisdiction than I would have of your job and jurisdiction. I most certainly believe that.
Where I am confused is why you would extend that knowledge into my jurisdiction. You also don't know what county I am talking about even if I tell you the name of my general town. There are several counties involved. You also do not work there, so I am confused as to why you would extend your "knowledge" into my area also?
But. I am more than happy to agree that we both are ignorant because that is factually true of all human beings.
Anna
I was in fact asking you to educate me, but you repeatedly refused. I have repeatedly requested you do so.
However, since you are a random person on the internet, I am not going to automatically agree with things you say, especially when the contradict my own past experience. It just won't be happening.
But I am certainly in agreement that you have more knowledge, potentially, of your job and jurisdiction than I would have of your job and jurisdiction. I most certainly believe that.
Where I am confused is why you would extend that knowledge into my jurisdiction. You also don't know what county I am talking about even if I tell you the name of my general town. There are several counties involved. You also do not work there, so I am confused as to why you would extend your "knowledge" into my area also?
But. I am more than happy to agree that we both are ignorant because that is factually true of all human beings.
Anna
One more thing and I'm done:
The current director at HUD was tried for murder at 14. He lived in a ghetto of Detroit and had tried to kill his buddy with a knife.
Later he became a world renowned "BRAIN SURGEON" and for a minute it looked like he was going to become President of the United States.
Ben Carson proved that life can go either way you choose.
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He got 5% of the vote in my city in 2016 as a write in (including me)
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The current director at HUD was tried for murder at 14. He lived in a ghetto of Detroit and had tried to kill his buddy with a knife.
Later he became a world renowned "BRAIN SURGEON" and for a minute it looked like he was going to become President of the United States.
Ben Carson proved that life can go either way you choose.
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He got 5% of the vote in my city in 2016 as a write in (including me)
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Anna, as I'm sure you already know sweetheart, theres a lot of unjustifiable cop hate, military hate, etc. hate all over the internet by a bunch of people with no common sense and thinking they ought to be able to do as they please and not get into trouble.
If your a cop on the internet, and like everyone else they are people too, it's got to get a lot offensive.
I love him.. his life and just who he is should be upheld to kids everywhere. I find him so inspiring..
Opinionated I can most certainly agree with that too.
The choice to take it all personal is totally up to the person. Rise up .the good ones do, I guess.
Anna
The choice to take it all personal is totally up to the person. Rise up .the good ones do, I guess.
Anna
Experiences with cops depends on your personal situation. I've had numbers of cop friends over the years and most (not all) were straight up people who just wanted to help people who needed help and stop people who caused problems. They were all good at interpreting the law accurately. Being a cop isn't a straightforward job. It requires a lot of people savvy coupled with an ability to remain calm and filter out the facts. I never wanted to be one FWIW.
They have a dangerous job that most of us wouldn't want to do. A couple of years ago two sheriff's deputies answered a call in a nice subdivision not far from us for a mentally deranged family member who was causing trouble. While interviewing the guy at his front door, the guy reached over and grabbed a shotgun and fired dead center on one of the deputies, killing him. The other deputy shot the guy, wounding him. It took a lot of restraint for the deputy to aim outside of center of mass and just stop him without killing him.
Fast forward to 2018. The sheriff is retiring and his chief deputy is running for the job along with the former chief's son, who was also a deputy in the department (nepotism, maybe). The chief deputy was working our neighborhood asking for votes. While he was talking with us at our front door I reached in my pants pocket and pulled out my Eleaf Invoke and took a hit. As I did so, I noticed his hand moved quickly to his side arm. As I took a vape, he relaxed! Lucky me! I could have been a statistic! He could have seen the SS Kayfun drip tip as a small caliber gun barrel and panicked, but he didn't.
Like I said, those guys have seriously stressful jobs. I voted for the guy in the recent election and he won the vote after a runoff.
They have a dangerous job that most of us wouldn't want to do. A couple of years ago two sheriff's deputies answered a call in a nice subdivision not far from us for a mentally deranged family member who was causing trouble. While interviewing the guy at his front door, the guy reached over and grabbed a shotgun and fired dead center on one of the deputies, killing him. The other deputy shot the guy, wounding him. It took a lot of restraint for the deputy to aim outside of center of mass and just stop him without killing him.
Fast forward to 2018. The sheriff is retiring and his chief deputy is running for the job along with the former chief's son, who was also a deputy in the department (nepotism, maybe). The chief deputy was working our neighborhood asking for votes. While he was talking with us at our front door I reached in my pants pocket and pulled out my Eleaf Invoke and took a hit. As I did so, I noticed his hand moved quickly to his side arm. As I took a vape, he relaxed! Lucky me! I could have been a statistic! He could have seen the SS Kayfun drip tip as a small caliber gun barrel and panicked, but he didn't.
Like I said, those guys have seriously stressful jobs. I voted for the guy in the recent election and he won the vote after a runoff.
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I completely agree. Things have turned out better as a result.
Ways i've been let down by public services.
Locked in a chicken shed at the age of six (1975) by my mother for a month in the winter. Got double pneumonia and died for several minutes in intensive care.
Got out of the hospital after 3 months and was given straight back to my mother. Social services in their ultimate wisdom !. It was our neighbour who reported my mum. She went to prison for 6 months. I never said a word. It's my mum !.
Convicted for robbery in 1983
Thrown out of school for being convicted of robbery.
Lost my job for my criminal conviction of robbery.
Unable to find employment because of my conviction of robbery.
Successfully sued the government in 2002.
I would have rather had a normal life. And not been tortured by the very people who were supposed to be protecting my wellbeing.
And my short term memory is completely shot through, incidentally. I suppose that's what happens when you die though.
Could be worse.
But my experiences of government departments was the education raqball keeps telling me to get. Apart from joining said departments, the only way to learn about them, and how they actually operate is to be on the receiving end of it all. And even if you were someone who worked for one of these departments it doesn't mean you know anything about how it all works. All you have is your own experiences, same as me. Except you aren't on the receiving end so you'll have no complaints. Two totally different sides of the same coin, and experiences which are in total contrast to one another. So how could you possibly know anything about being on the receiving end.
My (very small) town has had no police department for at least a couple of decades and no dedicated sheriff's deputies for six years. A county cruiser swings through occasionally; otherwise, people call the sheriff's department (thirty miles away) when they feel they need them. The crime rate has not increased.
P.S. I know I am fortunate.
From your posts I gather you are in the UK and not the US. Different legal systems and different police forces with different sets of rules for engaging the public. Sorta comparing apples to oranges, and by your own admission have continued to interact with the criminal legal system by stil committing crimes, which you explicitly stated in another one of your posts.
I would say that any negative experience you have had in your interactions are not indicative of every person's experience in the US. I'm not even sure if it represents the typical interactions in the UK or wherever you live.
The issue of conviction as a minor can be treated differently. In the US those records are sealed. The only reason they might be opened would be by the order of a judge after conviction of a crime as an adult to use in their sentencing process after conviction, not before. Even that is questionable.
Telling folks in the US give up their right to legal representation is a terrible suggestion. You can't "talk" your way out of a criminal suit, at least never that I've seen. The closest would offering testimony to a grand jury without a legal representative present. Of course if it doesn't work (and it's rare that it does) you can at least have a lawyer try to save your .... through the rest of the process.
You sound bitter at having been convicted of a crime. That colors your views of all of law enforcement. I'm sorry you were abused at home, but that in itself is not sufficient to justify any criminal acts or explain your negative views of police officers you have had personal interaction with after commiting a crime.
There are plenty of examples of police officers who have acted inappropriately and even outright criminal behavior. Fortunately that's fairly uncommon, and those that have such issues are generally resented by fellow officers just trying to go out and do the right thing. I, and lots of law enforcement folks believe in fully prosecuting any officer who exceeds their own legal rules, and or outright violate someone's rights or cause unnecessary or deliberate harm. So no one with a badge has a blanket license to act however they want to. They are procscribed to act within the law just as any citizen is. Given the powers they are given by society they should be held to a high standard for their actions and following the law. IME most do.
And as @DaveP posted, suddenly pulling anything out of your pocket unexpectedly when interacting with a police officer is just a bad idea, and I don't blame them. They deserve the right to return home alive to their families at the end of a shift.
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Okay, I can see where the anger I referred to in another thread comes from. That's a truly horrifying experience, and I can fortunately say that I've been blessed enough in my life that I can't even begin to fathom what you went through with your mother, and what it takes to get over something like that. This just reminds me that what they say about being more kind to people because you have no idea what burdens they bear is very true.
I may not agree with some things you post Evan, but I'm definitely going to pray for you to find peace.
Live PD just softens everyone up for all the rights they will be violating.
Yes I remember reading that - awful
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgi...ng-cotton-candy-that-police-thought-was-..../
the link is not making it past the filter - you have to add one word --it rhymes with beth
Here's a link that does not have that word in it
Georgia woman sues after spending 3 months in jail for possessing cotton candy
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