Looks like vaping is going to the dumps

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MiamiMom63

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That's the problem nowadays. I'm 50 years old. My generation remember the freedoms we had to make our own choices in how we wanted to live as long as we weren't hurting anyone else. Nowadays, they just keep banning so many stupid things that the younger generation think it's normal and okay to do it. No one seems to ever say anything. They get a few sour pots on a city commission that think they are God and can decide whatever they want. I've been thinking of starting a facebook page about stupid bans so we can all just sit around and ridicule these crazies.
 

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That's the problem nowadays. I'm 50 years old. My generation remember the freedoms we had to make our own choices in how we wanted to live as long as we weren't hurting anyone else. Nowadays, they just keep banning so many stupid things that the younger generation think it's normal and okay to do it. No one seems to ever say anything. They get a few sour pots on a city commission that think they are God and can decide whatever they want. I've been thinking of starting a facebook page about stupid bans so we can all just sit around and ridicule these crazies.

Wow, this is so very much the opposite to how my mother (born in 1944) described the 50s and early 60s. According to her, government didn't need to do the restricting because society did it for you. If you stepped off the accepted path, the wrath of friends, family, teachers, and employers alike was upon you. Doing "the wrong thing" in society's eyes could easily get you unofficially blacklisted from local establishments and could even get you run out of town. At the very least you might have the living cr*p kicked out of you in the dead of night to "teach you a good lesson." A little smack or two from a husband was generally met (from your own mother, among others) with, "Well, why don't you try harder?" Same with a bruise or a hand-mark from your parents (or teachers -- or your friend's mother, or a stranger in the store). Society told you how to act and if you chose not to do those things, well, you took your lumps.

Children were hit in schools for not performing per the exact curriculum. If they told their parents they got a spanking at school, they got another beating at home for having gotten in trouble at school. Boys definitely had the right to defend themselves against bullies -- and God help them if they were the smaller of the fight because they also had no recourse if they were the loser (again and again). You dressed a certain way and you wore your hair a certain way or your teachers humiliated you in class and you were even sent home until you straightened up and flew the very narrow, non-choice-ridden course. I have a relative whose teacher sliced some of his hair off with scissors because he was looking scraggly. He was told to come back after he had a decent (status quo) haircut.

An employer could easily fire you because he didn't like the way you wore your hair or the way you dressed or he didn't like your outside-the-box thoughts or basically for any reason at all -- and he'd outright say so before kicking you to the curb. Likewise if you were a woman who didn't like her boss rubbing her .... every time she passed by. Too bad, so sad for you. Those crazy libs everybody seems to love so much to hate weren't there yet to ensure that you could dress, act and speak as you like and that you were protected in doing so. And Big Gubbmint wasn't there to "interfere" with your right, to, um...do exactly as you were told. (Uh...) Ah, the good old days!

If, as a boy or a man, you didn't have exactly the correct "boy" hobbies, you were a sissy and a freak and you'd be kicked around daily in school. As a girl, you sat silently with your legs crossed at the ankles and played with your dolls or you were mercilessly attacked by grown-ups for being unladylike. Men and women worked their correct roles...and that was IT.

Doctors gave you their verdict without your input, and if you refused to take exactly what medication they prescribed, they'd refuse to treat you, buh-bye, and if that was the only doctor in town, well good luck to you. Wearing the wrong thing, saying the wrong thing, etc. meant a loss of friends and often family. Not marrying at the right time of life meant you were a pariah. And being anything but an at-least-middle-class white male meant you had very, very few choices.

I hear all about these "golden years" when "nobody told us what to do" and I think of my mom's memories (and my father's, aunts and uncles, etc. -- and stories from blacks, from women, from Asians, from the poor, from immigrants and basically from anyone not white, male and 35 years old) and I just have to shake my head. Sorry. "The good old days of freedoms," my .....

From what I hear, though, the sock hops were fun.
 
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The trains ran on time. Mothers were confident in the safety of their children and God rested more comfortably on his throne.

Isn't it interesting that the OP posts a rant and 25 pages later, hasn't bothered to post again.

I smell a...

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looks like vaping is going down hill and everyone is hopping on the band wagon to start banning stuff. want my advice? quit. get off nicotine all together. I haven't touched a cig in over 1.5 years and havent vaped in just over a 2 months. as matter of fact selling all my vape gear in calsifieds. don't get caught with your pants down. this vaping thing isnt going to last forever. by the looks of it, it doesnt look like its going to last much longer. the last thing you want is to go back to cigs wants all vendors get shut down. it will happen sooner then later. stop while you can now. good luck all.

see you on the other side.


I remember back in 2009-2010 everyone was freaking out saying all the same stuff you are saying (about the Judge Leon decision) and look, 3-4 years later we have more then we ever had. Obviously, one day the FDA will get there regulations on these, but not anytime in the next couple years IMO. This is why you stock up on MODS, learn how to build RDA's, and the Juice isn't going anywhere as VG/PG juices can be easily made.

I was living in paranoia years back about ecigs possibly getting banned, you actually sound as I did at one time. You just have to learn to enjoy it, and not think of the FDA, and keep yourself involved with signing petitions and fight for what you know is right. You gave up, you simply gave in to the FDA scare, and IMO (with all due respect) it's sad, really is.
 

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Wow, this is so very much the opposite to how my mother (born in 1944) described the 50s and early 60s. According to her, government didn't need to do the restricting because society did it for you. If you stepped off the accepted path, the wrath of friends, family, teachers, and employers alike was upon you. Doing "the wrong thing" in society's eyes could easily get you unofficially blacklisted from local establishments and could even get you run out of town. At the very least you might have the living cr*p kicked out of you in the dead of night to "teach you a good lesson." A little smack or two from a husband was generally met (from your own mother, among others) with, "Well, why don't you try harder?" Same with a bruise or a hand-mark from your parents (or teachers -- or your friend's mother, or a stranger in the store). Society told you how to act and if you chose not to do those things, well, you took your lumps.

Children were hit in schools for not performing per the exact curriculum. If they told their parents they got a spanking at school, they got another beating at home for having gotten in trouble at school. Boys definitely had the right to defend themselves against bullies -- and God help them if they were the smaller of the fight because they also had no recourse if they were the loser (again and again). You dressed a certain way and you wore your hair a certain way or your teachers humiliated you in class and you were even sent home until you straightened up and flew the very narrow, non-choice-ridden course. I have a relative whose teacher sliced some of his hair off with scissors because he was looking scraggly. He was told to come back after he had a decent (status quo) haircut.

An employer could easily fire you because he didn't like the way you wore your hair or the way you dressed or he didn't like your outside-the-box thoughts or basically for any reason at all -- and he'd outright say so before kicking you to the curb. Likewise if you were a woman who didn't like her boss rubbing her .... every time she passed by. Too bad, so sad for you. Those crazy libs everybody seems to love so much to hate weren't there yet to ensure that you could dress, act and speak as you like and that you were protected in doing so. And Big Gubbmint wasn't there to "interfere" with your right, to, um...do exactly as you were told. (Uh...) Ah, the good old days!

If, as a boy or a man, you didn't have exactly the correct "boy" hobbies, you were a sissy and a freak and you'd be kicked around daily in school. As a girl, you sat silently with your legs crossed at the ankles and played with your dolls or you were mercilessly attacked by grown-ups for being unladylike. Men and women worked their correct roles...and that was IT.

Doctors gave you their verdict without your input, and if you refused to take exactly what medication they prescribed, they'd refuse to treat you, buh-bye, and if that was the only doctor in town, well good luck to you. Wearing the wrong thing, saying the wrong thing, etc. meant a loss of friends and often family. Not marrying at the right time of life meant you were a pariah. And being anything but an at-least-middle-class white male meant you had very, very few choices.

I hear all about these "golden years" when "nobody told us what to do" and I think of my mom's memories (and my father's, aunts and uncles, etc. -- and stories from blacks, from women, from Asians, from the poor, from immigrants and basically from anyone not white, male and 35 years old) and I just have to shake my head. Sorry. "The good old days of freedoms," my .....

From what I hear, though, the sock hops were fun.

Whoa. I grew up in the 50's and '60's. There were some things about that time that weren't so great. The sexual harassment in the workplace thing COULD be a problem, in some places. That is true. And the doctor thing...well, if you didn't like one doctor, you could always go to another one. You weren't stuck with whoever was in your insurance "network" or HMO. As for small town doctors, well...that varied by town I'm sure. Some were more "open" than others, I expect. But I lived in big cities, so I don't really know for sure. Anyway...as for that other stuff...how boys behaved and how girls behaved and when/who you marry and all that is an exaggeration. Yes, there were boobs who bullied and boobs who judged and boobs who made life miserable for others. Guess what? They are STILL AROUND. Nothing has really changed. Only real difference now is that Goverment has jumped in with the boobs.....

There's always a trade off. There were good things then...and bad things, too. Guess what? There are good things now, and some bad things. One thing I did like about "the good old days" was I didn't feel like the government viewed it's people like they were dim witted little infants who had to be told how to wipe their hindquarters. I am NOT in favor of a "Nanny State". And society is supposed to encourage people to do what's accepted and not offend the majority. That is why it's called "society". People running around all willy nilly and doing whatever comes into their heads isn't always a great plan. See how it worked out with that guy at that Navy Yard recently? Bottom line is society can be changed when enough people cause a shift. Ergo the "hippies" and the Civil Rights Movement and so forth that happened in the 60's and 70's. Try changing the government once it's made up it's mind about something. Good luck.
 

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I was born in 1963. Alot of moving and changing back then. I grew up in Miami, FL, a melting pot of people from all over. I played in the streets with kids from all backgrounds and nationalities. But kids back then respected adults more and knew their place. Also, doctors knew they better treat their patients decently with respect or they would be fired. And there wasn't a long waiting list of HMO patients calling them that had no other options. Some even did house calls. Families usually used the same doctor for years. I couldn't believe that I ended up in ER two nights in a row with high blood pressure, and both days afterwards my doctor wouldn't fit me in and see me even though the hospital kept telling me to follow-up with him. I finally went in on the second day and insisted, and saw my doctor walk right by as they escorted me to see his nurse. I fired him. He don't care anyways. He's got an overflowing waiting room and could care less. A person could die waiting for an appointment.
 

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I was born in 1963. Alot of moving and changing back then. I grew up in Miami, FL, a melting pot of people from all over. I played in the streets with kids from all backgrounds and nationalities. But kids back then respected adults more and knew their place. Also, doctors knew they better treat their patients decently with respect or they would be fired. And there wasn't a long waiting list of HMO patients calling them that had no other options. Some even did house calls. Families usually used the same doctor for years. I couldn't believe that I ended up in ER two nights in a row with high blood pressure, and both days afterwards my doctor wouldn't fit me in and see me even though the hospital kept telling me to follow-up with him. I finally went in on the second day and insisted, and saw my doctor walk right by as they escorted me to see his nurse. I fired him. He don't care anyways. He's got an overflowing waiting room and could care less. A person could die waiting for an appointment.

You think it's bad now...

Just be thankful that you made a great choice in getting off of tobacco now, before all of the nonsense associated with ACA kicks in. You ain't seen nothin' yet.
 
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