Thought I’d join in on this thread. Has been ages since I posted. I love the Orion. I find it has amazing throat hit with a 6mg and completely does away with the need to ever own a salt device. In fact I liked it so much I bought a custom tip from mantis minimal. I’ve been through a lot of vaping fads since 2007 but am currently a billet and squonk guy although I do still love gettin low with a mech. The Orion is a keeper and who doesn’t like a solid dna controlled device.