Lung cancer?

[roxynoodle]

of course it causes lung cancer,popcorn lung,COPD,emphysema.brontcitus,asthma,heart disease and
severe nicotine addiction.
please turn yourself into the nearest diagnostic, treatment,cure and
disposal center immediately.
be an obedient vaper.
regards
mke

LOL!

Disposal center!

I have tears coming out of my eyes I'm laughing so hard.

The true ANTZ Master Plan.

 

[roxynoodle]

I am totally serious. I and my wife have not known ONE person who has ever had lung cancer, nor has anyone in our families ever had lung cancer. I am in my 60s and she is in her 70s.

Now I know tons of people that have died of breast cancer as it ran in my mother's family with almost 100% of the women in her family having had breast cancer over multiple generations.

No one in my family has ever had any kind of cancer. I was never concerned.

But, they may have died too soon from heart disease. That did concern me as I have the family history. That's why I quit.

 

[Vapez]

That's an easy one to answer.... First off, I researched what a few head scientists (Molecular Biologists) some years back said in regards to their discoveries in the radiation given off my tobacco smoke. It's similar to the x rays given off by chest x rays. Over long periods of time, it eventually causes the genetic trigger to be flipped and the cells to turn cancerous. The experts stated that it is not a question of if you will get lung cancer but that it is almost guaranteed you will develop it if given enough time and exposure. Of course, this isn't even counting all of the other carcinogens found in tar.

I smoked for many years myself..... I lost my Mother to lung cancer awhile back and that wasn't fun...She was also a smoker for many years, not that it means much. But what does mean a lot is not just what researchers have discovered in regards to smoking, but also in the pure numbers of non smoker vs. smokers who contract lung cancer. In my entire life, I have only witnessed one person that contracted lung cancer than did not smoke. All of the rest of the people who I have known that have gotten lung cancer (which has been quite a few) were all smokers. This in itself ought to tell you something. Or at least it would for anyone with common sense.

Ask any Pathologist about lung cancer and you will quickly be informed that there are several types of lung cancer (none good to get) and each different type is associated with different causation's. Yes, most all cancers have a genetic component to them. But it is well known that smoking often triggers those genetic weaknesses.

We all know people who seem to smoke for many years but never die from it. But, it must be realized that these types of people are the extreme exceptions. How many people do you know that smoked for 70 years that are still alive to tell you about it? How about 60 years? I bet you can't name many because the simple fact of the matter is that people who smoke that long usually die from either lung cancer or other smoking related health issues. Most people I have seen that make it to 50 years of smoking are usually the ones I have noticed that get lung cancer.

You can't argue with the math....More smokers get lung cancer than non smokers...just a fact.

Why are all you ex smoking vapers on this forum not still smoking if you think it is so healthy? The reason why is because deep down most of you KNOW it is not good for you, especially the lungs.

I have four grand grand parents that still smoke. They started to smoke before they turned 14 all of them. They are 85-95 years old and still going strong...2 of them still live in their own house together, he drives a truck and still works.

So not everyone.

 

[Nermal]

You aren't serious are you? Wow, you must not have been around too many folks with cancer or something.

He said he didn't know one person who had died of lung cancer. Your conclusion is totally obvious then, isn't it.

 

[bwh79]

I have four grand grand parents that still smoke. They started to smoke before they turned 14 all of them. They are 85-95 years old and still going strong...2 of them still live in their own house together, he drives a truck and still works.

So not everyone.

Well you can't argue with anecdotal evidence like that! Clearly it's the 50's, still, and 9 out of 10 doctors recommend the smooth country flavor of Doral brand cigarettes.

 

[Nermal]

Ten doctors is not a valid statistical sample.

 

[Vapez]

Well you can't argue with anecdotal evidence like that! Clearly it's the 50's, still, and 9 out of 10 doctors recommend the smooth country flavor of Doral brand cigarettes.

It is dangerous to smoke and most will die early because of it. But someone (like my grand grand parents) are lucky.

 

[BlueSnake]

You aren't serious are you? Wow, you must not have been around too many folks with cancer or something.

Well, that's your prerogative for sure....... Myself it is not only what I have studied and read but also all of the people I know that have died from lung cancer. How can you not know one single person who has ever died from lung cancer when lung cancer is the second most common cancer in human's?

I have not lived in just one place but lived from one side of the USA to the other..It's always the same ole scene... People getting lung cancer. I see it all over the place. Look at these stats:

Common Cancers

FYI

As many will die from alcohol and alcohol related accidents in 2015 yet no one says if you drink you WILL die and there is no one calling for a moratorium on drinking or legislation to ban drinking. Let's get real.

 

[440BB]

As far as cancer and vaping, I haven't seen anything linking PG, VG or nicotine to cancer, leaving only the flavorings as a variable for me. It will likely take years for any verifiable information about whether and which flavorings, if any, could be linked to cancer or other illness, but I suspect that will be negligible.

For a non-smoker, I would suggest that the safest choice is simply not vaping. Fresh air is still better.

If you want to vape and remain concerned and want to make it a little safer, cut your mixes down on flavoring percentage. If it continues to stay in your thoughts, you can vape unflavored too.

Whatever vaping approach works to keep former smokers off cigarettes is the most effective way to reduce their cancer risk. Avoiding known carcinogens and thousands of chemical additives makes vaping drastically healthier than smoking.

For a non smoker, I wouldn't recommend vaping in the first place, but if it suits you, good luck finding a comfortable setup!

 

[Robert Cromwell]

No doubt about it? Really?

Between my wife and I we have over 100 years of smoking cigarettes between us. Neither of us have the FIRST health issue. So how can your statement be true?

We have both been vaping now for over 3 years. I just don't believe in absolute type statements.

Just because something causes lung cancer does not mean it will cause it in 100% of the ones that use it.
Genetics are also a factor as are other environmental factors.

With that said we are just lab rats as far as complications from vaping are concerned and lots of vairables involved as well. How much you vape? what level of VG/PG, flavorings in your vape, wattage you vape at, ml of juice per day consumption, and color of your mod.

 

[bluecat]

You aren't serious are you? Wow, you must not have been around too many folks with cancer or something.

Well, that's your prerogative for sure....... Myself it is not only what I have studied and read but also all of the people I know that have died from lung cancer. How can you not know one single person who has ever died from lung cancer when lung cancer is the second most common cancer in human's?

I have not lived in just one place but lived from one side of the USA to the other..It's always the same ole scene... People getting lung cancer. I see it all over the place. Look at these stats:

Common Cancers

I also do not know one person who has died from lung cancer. Even my grandparents whose home when you opened the door billowed smoke out when you would open the door. They would say drink milk is bad for us grandkids while puffing away chain smoking with a glass of scotch and whiskey throughout the day.

I wanted to stop smoking. I was getting chest pains and I attributed that to smoking. It may have been or may not since I had recently fallen off the top of a 10 foot ladder and bruised some ribs. That's why I switched. I never stated smoking was healthy. I have also never stated vaping was healthy. Heck, breathing the air coming down I75 to work in the morning is probably not healthy as those trucks puff out the dense black smoke.

 

[newvaper92]

Anything CAN give you cancer, it just takes one cell your body can't fight off; our bodies all have cancer cells in them, they just aren't growing. I've seen several people die of lung cancer, caused by cigarettes. My own Grandma on my Dad's side died of lung cancer at 84, caused by smoking. A good friend of the family died of lung cancer, caused by smoking, at 53 years old. He smoked until he couldn't smoke anymore. That's why I chose not to become addicted to tobacco; yes I have smoked, but not often. I see vaping as a much healthier alternative, and something I enjoy doing. There's always a risk, but I see it as minimal with vaping vs. smoking. If you want to enjoy vaping as a never smoker, go for it I know some here would probably say I shouldn't vape because I wasn't addicted to tobacco, but we are all adults and can do as we please. I vape nicotine as well and enjoy it. Just because you don't smoke doesn't mean you can never use nicotine; just use it with the warning that it can be addictive.

 

[RosaJ]

Even if you don't smoke, there is no guarantee you won't get lung cancer. I found this:

Lung Cancer Risks for Non-smokers

 

[OlderNDirt]

So.......

A large number of persons over the age of 70 have died from lung cancer, all of which had one thing in common.....they all smoked or were exposed to second hand smoke. Imagine that! Ergo, all cases of lung cancer deaths are caused by smoking. Some epiphany there! Wouldn't statistics involving lung cancer deaths for those under say 50 paint a clearer picture?

I am still waiting for one scientist or doctor to state emphatically beyond any doubt that any one of those "victims" would have never gotten lung cancer had they not smoked/been exposed to second hand smoke.

And please don't take my post as a statement that cigarettes don't cause health risks. Clearly they do, but let's not exaggerate the degree.

 

[AXIOM_1]

My original remark below was about smoking tobacco and not vaping

Just let me state that you dang sure will from smoking death sticks.

You folks really should not be commenting about things you have zero medical knowledge of as it is not only idiotic but shows your rush to spew home spun ideologies out from your mouths for which you haven't a clue about. In other words, assumptions from a few people whom you may have been smoking for lots of years is hardly concrete facts for all people. Those are hardly facts and they are also not that common. I have seen lots of people in their 30's and 40's die of lung cancer and every single one of them smoked.

I will post a few links and research results about lung cancer and the types of lung cancer. I am not an ANTZ person, but I have seen lots of young people have shovels of dirt thrown over them because they smoked. Study the research facts in regards to lung cancer and if you can't read, hire a tutor. Please stop with your assumptions and naive biases.

Types of Lung Cancer

Smoking - gov

Lung Center

Mayo Clinic Research

National Cancer Institute

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

In a 1950s science textbook, radiation is not described as being dangerous.

 

[bluecat]

My original remark below was about smoking tobacco and not vaping



You folks really should not be commenting about things you have zero medical knowledge of as it is not only idiotic but shows your rush to spew home spun ideologies out from your mouths for which you haven't a clue about. In other words, assumptions from a few people whom you may have been smoking for lots of years is hardly concrete facts for all people. Those are hardly facts and they are also not that common. I have seen lots of people in their 30's and 40's die of lung cancer and every single one of them smoked.

I will post a few links and research results about lung cancer and the types of lung cancer. I am not an ANTZ person, but I have seen lots of young people have shovels of dirt thrown over them because they smoked. Study the research facts in regards to lung cancer and if you can't read, hire a tutor. Please stop with your assumptions and naive biases.

Types of Lung Cancer

Smoking - gov

Lung Center

Mayo Clinic Research

National Cancer Institute

How much medical knowledge do you have? Watching Grey's Anatomy on Netflix doesn't count.

So is global warming man made or a natural cycle of the earth?

I am not naive or bias. I am just Rhett Butler.

 

[bluecat]

For the OP.. a link from cancer.net

Lung Cancer: Risk Factors and Prevention | Cancer.Net

 

[Coldrake]

There is no evidence and no reason to believe that vaping causes lung cancer.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

It all depends on what you vape I suppose, maybe add a dash of how you vape to the equation, then toss in a bit of genetic history.

For me, the math adds up to an acceptable risk, for others not so much. The level of risk you are willing to take depends on your own level of risk aversion and an understanding that all the facts on cancer aren't available to us.

Some folks aren't as prone to some cancers as others, and in a more perfect world we might try to find a way to incorporate that into all people, maybe.

We are all going to die at some point.

Maurice