Lungs hurt, chest tight after using first time. Any info on this?

[FireHorse]

I just think it's funny..... we all know what the results of tobacco smoking are... DEATH!

But some people, they start vaping and if they get so much as a runny nose they start to shout from the hills about the dangers of vaping?!

What did you shout from the hills when you smoked? (nothing)

Our bodies go through a lot of very unusual symptoms when we quit smoking using ANY method - including cold turkey - but it all gets blamed on the e-cig. Use your logic, folks.

Well said! Detox is a rough thing for our bodies and minds to go through and you really don't know how your body is going to react until you do it. When you're over the initial phase of detoxing your body of the 4,000 or so chemicals in cigarettes, you start to feel better.

 

[Kobudo]

Blanket statements on things are just awesome. There's no science involved, so it's easier to understand.

It is easier than thinking, isn't it?

Anyone who ceases smoking is going to have increased coughing for a while. It is a symptom of smoking cessation, not vaping. Any pamphlet from a package of the patch or gum will tell you the same.

For a counter point of anecdotal evidence, I have been vaping for 8 months now with no complications, after the initial smoker's detox symptoms.

 

[SimpleSins]

It is easier than thinking, isn't it?

Anyone who ceases smoking is going to have increased coughing for a while. It is a symptom of smoking cessation, not vaping. Any pamphlet from a package of the patch or gum will tell you the same.

For a counter point of anecdotal evidence, I have been vaping for 8 months now with no complications, after the initial smoker's detox symptoms.

Playing devil's advocate here, but don't blanket statements work both ways? To say that ecigs are wonderful and nobody could possibly be having any kind of health-related issue with them is wrong, too. There have been no studies. Smoking tobacco has been around quite a while (we know Jefferson was a tobacco farmer) and it's only in the last 40 or so years that any problem at all was acknowledged.

If the point is it better than smoking a cigarette? The answer is probably yes. We don't really know. And I can't believe that anybody seriously believes that it's better to be a non-smoking vaper than a non-smoking non-vaper. Our lungs just weren't designed to be inhaling this stuff, and if we can do without it, we'd all be better off.

 

[Rosa]

Playing devil's advocate here, but don't blanket statements work both ways? To say that ecigs are wonderful and nobody could possibly be having any kind of health-related issue with them is wrong, too. There have been no studies. Smoking tobacco has been around quite a while (we know Jefferson was a tobacco farmer) and it's only in the last 40 or so years that any problem at all was acknowledged.

If the point is it better than smoking a cigarette? The answer is probably yes. We don't really know. And I can't believe that anybody seriously believes that it's better to be a non-smoking vaper than a non-smoking non-vaper. Our lungs just weren't designed to be inhaling this stuff, and if we can do without it, we'd all be better off.

I'll agree with that, but I know about a thousand people who'd be smoking cigarettes right now if they HAD to quit vaping. So the question, for me, is which is healthy -er.

 

[cesctheman]

I got pains in my chest the day after i stopped smoking analogues and started my e-cigs but they only lasted that one day after i think i was vaping too much because i could do it anywhere.

 

[girtablilu]

I had the same reaction (chest pains) the first time I used my e-cig but as I mentioned in another post, I was also smoking analog in between all day as well. I probably got too much nicotine. Since then I have been feeling much better. The only issues I've had is a sore throat or sinus pressure, but that has been while trying out DIY mixes, not with the store bought cartridges.

 

[Krisb]

Well said, Simplesins! DITTO. I love vaping-been a whole 24hrs, LOL. Smoked for 25yrs, about 25-30/d. Today I feel tired, sore throat and coughing my lungs up a bit...all part of the normal detox. The only way I have tried to quit where I literally didn't fall at all in the first day. But...I do want to say...I can't wait for air not to hurt!! Been so long since I breathed the stuff without smoke...ow!

 

[John Edwards]

this is a dumb question, but is a "thread" this entire page with all comments, oris a "thread" each individual comment? im a bit confused, which comes with bein new to forums

 

[susie22321]

The thread is the entire convo. Each response is a "post". The OP started the "thread" HTH!

 

[susie22321]

And welcome, JohnEdwards!

 

[NinetyNine]

this is a dumb question, but is a "thread" this entire page with all comments, oris a "thread" each individual comment? im a bit confused, which comes with bein new to forums

Each comment is called a post. The thread is the specific topic(in this case "Lungs hurt, chest tight after using first time. Any info on this?").

 

[lmrasch]

This discussion about the title, "Lungs hurt, chest tight after using first time. Any info on this?" is a thread. Each individual comment, such as this response to your question is a post.

EDIT: Well, I think we pretty much got that covered, eh? LOL!

 

[curiousJan]

I am an expert on these things...and it's hurting my lungs...Nothing else it could be.

Uhm, did you consider that maybe you're sensitive to VG? There are many of us here who have no issue with PG but have similar reactions to VG. Myself, I can use VG in my nicquid but only at lower concentrations ... 20-25% or so is all I can stand. I get tightness in my chest and shortness of breath if I use 100% VG.

Please don't claim to be an expert ... I support everyone's right to their opinions, but it needs to be clear that they are opinions - not fact from the mouth of an "expert".

Jan (who realizes that the majority of the post was clearly stated as opinion ... just that last sentence did a 180 from the rest ... )

 

[Kobudo]

Playing devil's advocate here, but don't blanket statements work both ways? To say that ecigs are wonderful and nobody could possibly be having any kind of health-related issue with them is wrong, too. There have been no studies.

Hence why I simply called my statement an anecdotal counterpoint. It means no more or less than the statement I was referring to did. To say that there have been NO studies showing the effects of vaping isn't quite right, as there are a few short-term studies out there. There have been no long-term studies, true, and that is what I'd really like to see.

 

[SimpleSins]

Hence why I simply called my statement an anecdotal counterpoint. It means no more or less than the statement I was referring to did. To say that there have been NO studies showing the effects of vaping isn't quite right, as there are a few short-term studies out there. There have been no long-term studies, true, and that is what I'd really like to see.

Do you happen to have the links to those studies you mentioned? Because I'd love to be armed with that information when someone gives me crap about inhaling flavoring meant for food production and the VG meant for external use. So far I haven't been able to find any studies of using these ingredients for vaping, so I would love to be able to shut some people up with that.

 

[Rosa]

Do you happen to have the links to those studies you mentioned? Because I'd love to be armed with that information when someone gives me crap about inhaling flavoring meant for food production and the VG meant for external use. So far I haven't been able to find any studies of using these ingredients for vaping, so I would love to be able to shut some people up with that.

Well, here's the famed NZ study using Ruyan:

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf

 

[Kobudo]

Yep, that's the first one.

I wish I had these things bookmarked.

Several articles on PG safety, compiled by VapersClub.

Haz-Map information, including occupational exposure thresholds to VG mist.

On the flavoring, it is dissolved in a PG solution (usually). I think a chemist would know a bit more about what the different flavorings' molecules can do in the lungs. This depends on whether the flavoring enters the blood stream (which is what happens if you eat food containing it anyway) or if it sits in there until expelled by exhaling or coughing. Note this is just hypothesis on my part, but I would assume if a chemical change occurs when vaporizing the liquid the flavor is dissolved in, we would not experience the flavor listed on the bottle.

According to the second link above, we already eat, drink, bathe in, medicate with, and breathe VG. OSHA sets a safe limit of 15mg/m3 total dust or 5mg/m3 inhaled VG in an industrial setting. Most users don't vaporize 5 ml of liquid per day, let alone in the same cubic meter of air space.

So far, we know that PG is GRAS (generally regarded as safe) and in rats, you'd basically need a concentration of VG mist high enough to drown in it (570mg/m3/1h) for a lethal effect.

 

[smokum]

Uhm, did you consider that maybe you're sensitive to VG? ......... - not fact from the mouth of an "expert".

Jan (who realizes that the majority of the post was clearly stated as opinion ... just that last sentence did a 180 from the rest ... )

The poster "meganacka" has been "MOVED ON" for reasons the admin felt justified....

-Greg

 

[lmrasch]

The poster "meganacka" has been "MOVED ON" for reasons the admin felt justified....

-Greg

Another "hit and run!" GONE

 

[SimpleSins]

Yep, that's the first one.

I wish I had these things bookmarked.

Several articles on PG safety, compiled by VapersClub.

Haz-Map information, including occupational exposure thresholds to VG mist.

On the flavoring, it is dissolved in a PG solution (usually). I think a chemist would know a bit more about what the different flavorings' molecules can do in the lungs. This depends on whether the flavoring enters the blood stream (which is what happens if you eat food containing it anyway) or if it sits in there until expelled by exhaling or coughing. Note this is just hypothesis on my part, but I would assume if a chemical change occurs when vaporizing the liquid the flavor is dissolved in, we would not experience the flavor listed on the bottle.

According to the second link above, we already eat, drink, bathe in, medicate with, and breathe VG. OSHA sets a safe limit of 15mg/m3 total dust or 5mg/m3 inhaled VG in an industrial setting. Most users don't vaporize 5 ml of liquid per day, let alone in the same cubic meter of air space.

So far, we know that PG is GRAS (generally regarded as safe) and in rats, you'd basically need a concentration of VG mist high enough to drown in it (570mg/m3/1h) for a lethal effect.

I eat, drink, and bathe in water, but that does not mean it's good to fill my lungs with it. Our lungs are pretty important to us, and we don't know if the chemicals we're using are going to end up plugging up the alveoli that absorb oxygen. There are acids at work in our stomach breaking down these chemicals that are not present in our lungs. So just because something is safe for consumption does not make it safe for inhaling.

And the NZ study does not state that these chemicals are harmless. Unless I'm reading it wrong, what it states is that 50 of the most toxic elements of a cigarette are not in the ejuice they tested. Which is great, but it's a far cry from saying that was is in them is safe.

I want vaping to safe. I quit a 2 pack/day 35 year smoking habit with it. But at the moment I view this more as a risk modification, not an elimination of risks, and am also aware that down the road it is possible this will turn out to be as dangerous as the popcorn lung that people inhaling the faux popcorn butter ended up having.