Lungs hurt, chest tight after using first time. Any info on this?

[Kobudo]

I know what you mean, and I would like more long-term studies too. Right now we're stuck with short-term information and MSDS. On the not inhaling water, I agree that inhaling liquid water would be dangerous. A teaspoon of the stuff is enough to drown in. The humidity here today is 16%, though, so I am inhaling water in a gaseous form that I have no control over whatsoever. Not to mention airborne solids in the form of fine particulates.

I think, for the time being, that we can all agree that based on the information available, vaping is safer than smoking, and vaping may have different long term effects. It's harm reduction, not elimination. This is why I won't recommend a non-smoker with no nicotine dependence pick up vaping in the New Members Forum when it comes up.

That said, I don't believe it's "that bad." This is a belief, and one I am willing to abandon should we see evidence to the contrary. If it was bad, though, we'd be seeing a whole lot of entertainers over the years suffering ill health from exposure to fog machines. I know the bottles of fog liquid in the music stores state that a proprietary mix of glycerins (for different effects) is present in the liquid. People breathe that stuff all the time.

 

[Rosa]

yes, it's possible.

But I remain hopeful. I have to, the alternative for me is smoking.... so I have to remain hopeful.

 

[Rosa]

@Kobudo: Yes, I think for most of us (almost everyone on the forum, I think) it's not a matter of vaping vs. not vaping, it's a matter of vaping vs. smoking. Nobody questions that vaping is better than smoking - even the FDA.

 

[northis]

The FDA might be financially and politically motivated and one cannot really take anything they say to heart. Looking at cessation products they have approved however shows that their choice was based on the lesser evil. E-cig contain only 8 particles of nitro whereas nicotine gum contains 20 particles, and compared to traditional tobacco cigarettes at 154000 particles. E-cigs are only 1% as harmful as tobacco cigarettes. Now I understand that the point you raised is based on the potential harm inhaling propylene glycol or vegetable glycerine since we know the effects of inhaling nicotine. The body can metabolise PG and VG easily, but what happens to the lungs? Is the substance stored, or released. If the eliquid consisting of water, flavour and nicotine is water soluble and we as humans are comprised mainly of water, it stands to reason that it will dissolve in the blood flowing through the lungs, but we will really know the truth when a vaper who has donated his body to medical science dies. Until then think of all the other unseen dangers you have little to no choice of avoiding. For eg the gases emitted from vehicles, generating electricity cows farting and the list goes on. The choice is ours to indulge ourselves in an addiction which is what it is in all its forms. A nicotine addiction or an addiction to holding an object in ones hands. With the invention of the Ecig we now have a new choice for our nicotine delivery system which now does not inconvenience or damage those around us, only the user and I think that is paramount.

In addition, PG has been used in fog machines for very many years and to my knowledge if you are on stage, or in the audience you will inhale it. There are many performers who are exposed to this on a daily basis and inhale it but to date there are no known cases of it causing harm to lung function or permanent respiratory damage to my best knowledge.

 

[StormFinch]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the OP and the individual that dredged this almost 18 month old thread up have a total of 3 posts between them and neither have been back?

 

[SimpleSins]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the OP and the individual that dredged this almost 18 month old thread up have a total of 3 posts between them and neither have been back?

The re-dredger-upper is showing membership status as 'moved on'. Earlier someone implied that was a management decision (post #38--- "The poster "meganacka" has been "MOVED ON" for reasons the admin felt justified....-Greg") or perhaps they moved on of their volition. In either case, it seems to imply at least the redredger is unable to respond.

 

[FireHorse]

Funny thing. I know this is an old blog but Hopefully people like myself searching for answers or at least proof that they are not paranoid will see this! I have been selling Electronic cigarettes in a store that specializes in the product for about a year. I was smoking a pack a day when I started working for the company. I am now the manager and have always stood behind the product believing that it will help people quit as it did me. I have tried everything. this really works!!! BUT AT WHAT COST? that I don't know. Recently I have been having the same reactions...tightness of the chest. Pain in my chest. Even shortness of breath. I havent smoked for over five months. Only my E-CIG. People can in fact have reactions to the propylene glycol base in some liquids...BUT my company only sells a vegetable glycerol base liquid which is all I use. MY ADVISE....BE CAREFUL...Something is wrong here. Better than cigs?? YES. I believe so. OKAY to use for long stretches of time??? I DON'T recommend it. Trust me, i wanted to believe I could smoke without hurting myself too. I LOVE MY ECIG. It's hurting my lungs. I can feel it. Please hear my warning and use the e-cig to QUIT SMOKING. Then get rid of it all together. Just my opinion. A little advice from someone who truly cares. I am an expert on these things...and it's hurting my lungs...Nothing else it could be.

Troll???

No matter what you do in life, the end result is always the same... DEATH. It's unavoidable. The choices people make determine how fast or slow they reach the finish line.

 

[Windpray]

just my 2 cents, we all smoked, we all knew it was bad for us and yet we still did it, we never questioned what was in the smoke, and some days we smoked too much and felt really bad at night, I coughed a bunch, and weezed at night, when I laid down, very short of breath alot of the time, and YET I still smoked. So if i run into some small problems with my e-cig, I will work it out, but I will keep vaping and not go back to smoking regular cigarettes

 

[StormFinch]

The re-dredger-upper is showing membership status as 'moved on'. Earlier someone implied that was a management decision (post #38--- "The poster "meganacka" has been "MOVED ON" for reasons the admin felt justified....-Greg") or perhaps they moved on of their volition. In either case, it seems to imply at least the redredger is unable to respond.

Ah, missed that post somehow, thanks.

I did see where someone mentioned a part of the redredger's post about working for a supplier and a possible problem with that. I'm guessing that might have played a part.

 

[SimpleSins]

just my 2 cents, we all smoked, we all knew it was bad for us and yet we still did it, we never questioned what was in the smoke, and some days we smoked too much and felt really bad at night, I coughed a bunch, and weezed at night, when I laid down, very short of breath alot of the time, and YET I still smoked. So if i run into some small problems with my e-cig, I will work it out, but I will keep vaping and not go back to smoking regular cigarettes

I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. One of the things that everybody claims as the biggest upside to vaping is that they know exactly what is in their juice. And I don't really understand why anyone who seems to express not having the greatest success or having some type of issue is treated like a lunkhead hypochondriac troll. And frankly, even if it is easier than the patch, it is still an effort to switch over to ecigs from cigarettes. So the reasoning that "so what if you're short of breath, you were with cigs, too" just doesn't seem like a sound rationale for making the switch.

 

[lmrasch]

Well...to be honest, I never paid attention to the fact that there were over 4000 ingredients in the cig I was smoking. It wasn't until I started vaping and educating myself that I truly became aware of all the E VILE stuff that cig manufacturers purposefully put into my addiction to keep me as a customer. I didn't want to know then, knowing would have only made me feel WORSE about my addiction and I had already tried multiple NRT cocktails with EPIC fails. Yep, the old ostrich trick to be sure.
Now I do know....and although I am not 100% sure that e cigs are completely safe...however, anyone would be an IDIOT to think that they were worse for you than cigarettes. No, we don't know exactly how many ingredients are in the e cig when all the flavorings are combined, but I'll gaurantee you that there are at least 3500 less ingredients than in a cigarette.
My suggestion...if someone is so paranoid that there has got to be some E VILE stuff in the e cig...they should probably stop using them, move on and quit stirring the "spooky" pot. There are millions of people that could benefit from using the e cig, but this thread is probably going to scare some away...that makes me angry and a bit sad.
Some of the negative responders here HAVE had the chance to quit smoking with the use of the e cig, if you can quit them...then do that. Just stop creating all this fear based crap for other new people that are already trying to assimilate a lot of new information about the e cig. If you have health issues that you think are related to vaping, go ahead and post them...then move on...you're not doing any of us any favors by dragging us through this debate @#$@#!

 

[shanagan]

Well...to be honest, I never paid attention to the fact that there were over 4000 ingredients in the cig I was smoking. It wasn't until I started vaping and educating myself that I truly became aware of all the E VILE stuff that cig manufacturers purposefully put into my addiction to keep me as a customer. I didn't want to know then, knowing would have only made me feel WORSE about my addiction and I had already tried multiple NRT cocktails with EPIC fails. Yep, the old ostrich trick to be sure.
Now I do know....and although I am not 100% sure that e cigs are completely safe...however, anyone would be an IDIOT to think that they were worse for you than cigarettes. No, we don't know exactly how many ingredients are in the e cig when all the flavorings are combined, but I'll gaurantee you that there are at least 3500 less ingredients than in a cigarette.
My suggestion...if someone is so paranoid that there has got to be some E VILE stuff in the e cig...they should probably stop using them, move on and quit stirring the "spooky" pot. There are millions of people that could benefit from using the e cig, but this thread is probably going to scare some away...that makes me angry and a bit sad.
Some of the negative responders here HAVE had the chance to quit smoking with the use of the e cig, if you can quit them...then do that. Just stop creating all this fear based crap for other new people that are already trying to assimilate a lot of new information about the e cig. If you have health issues that you think are related to vaping, go ahead and post them...then move on...you're not doing any of us any favors by dragging us through this debate @#$@#!

When a girl's got a point, a girl has GOT a point.

 

[SimpleSins]

I'm trying to understand how it is fear-based negativity to acknowledge that there may potentially be problems with ecigs, and that some people have had an issue with them. I don't understand why it is fear-based to state that we would be healthier if we gave up vaping in addition to smoking. As to the number of ingredients, it really only takes one bad one.

As I posted, I quit cigarettes and strictly vape. I make 75% of my own juice, thereby controlling to a degree what's in it. But I don't delude myself that this is a risk-free proposition. We don't know anything more than short-term effects of an ecig, and even those are mixed, particularly when the crowd strives to silence anyone who isn't having the same miraculous experience some are. We are using a product in ways unintended. Perfectly safe products when used as directed. Think of bleach...use it the way you're supposed to, and it's wonderful stuff. Drink a glass, things aren't so pretty.

Ecigs have only been around for less than ten years, so we can't even look to see how well the person is doing who started vaping ten years ago. I can't speak for anybody else, but it took me 20 years of smoking before I started to notice the effects of it; until then I thought the warnings were hyperbole. So I'm not willing to write off any risk of vaping based on a very limited short-term section of the population.

I vape rather than smoke because I'm hoping it's at least not as bad as smoking and more interesting. But I am pretty much at a loss to understand why the same people who feel they were duped by the cigarette industry into an addiction with the number of secret ingredients has such a cavalier attitude about what is in their ejuice, and why they seem so quick to disparage anyone who dares note the naked emperor.

 

[lmrasch]

I'm trying to understand how it is fear-based negativity to acknowledge that there may potentially be problems with ecigs, and that some people have had an issue with them. I don't understand why it is fear-based to state that we would be healthier if we gave up vaping in addition to smoking. As to the number of ingredients, it really only takes one bad one.

As I posted, I quit cigarettes and strictly vape. I make 75% of my own juice, thereby controlling to a degree what's in it. But I don't delude myself that this is a risk-free proposition. We don't know anything more than short-term effects of an ecig, and even those are mixed, particularly when the crowd strives to silence anyone who isn't having the same miraculous experience some are. We are using a product in ways unintended. Perfectly safe products when used as directed. Think of bleach...use it the way you're supposed to, and it's wonderful stuff. Drink a glass, things aren't so pretty.

Ecigs have only been around for less than ten years, so we can't even look to see how well the person is doing who started vaping ten years ago. I can't speak for anybody else, but it took me 20 years of smoking before I started to notice the effects of it; until then I thought the warnings were hyperbole. So I'm not willing to write off any risk of vaping based on a very limited short-term section of the population.

I vape rather than smoke because I'm hoping it's at least not as bad as smoking and more interesting. But I am pretty much at a loss to understand why the same people who feel they were duped by the cigarette industry into an addiction with the number of secret ingredients has such a cavalier attitude about what is in their ejuice, and why they seem so quick to disparage anyone who dares note the naked emperor.

I understand your point....what I don't understand is your need to keep pushing it. I've noticed this in a few other threads as well....I can tell that you are having some personal struggles with it so your questions are understandable. However, it seems as if you're trying to push a point home here and I'm not sure what the end result of your point should resemble?

 

[SimpleSins]

I understand your point....what I don't understand is your need to keep pushing it. I've noticed this in a few other threads as well....I can tell that you are having some personal struggles with it so your questions are understandable. However, it seems as if you're trying to push a point home here and I'm not sure what the end result of your point should resemble?

I will reiterate my point as often as necessary to ensure that it is heard in as equally strong a voice as the ones that strive to negate it. If someone responds to a posting with a reason they feel my viewpoint is invalid, it is the nature of debate to respond. I'm not real sure what threads you're talking about, but, I am merely human, and, as your own posting proves, apparently human nature is that if you feel you have something to say, whether or not it adds to the discussion at hand, you feel compelled to post it, and I guess I'm guilty of it, too.

 

[lmrasch]

I will reiterate my point as often as necessary to ensure that it is heard in as equally strong a voice as the ones that strive to negate it. If someone responds to a posting with a reason they feel my viewpoint is invalid, it is the nature of debate to respond. I'm not real sure what threads you're talking about, but, I am merely human, and, as your own posting proves, apparently human nature is that if you feel you have something to say, whether or not it adds to the discussion at hand, you feel compelled to post it, and I guess I'm guilty of it, too.

Fair enuf

 

[katiemarie71730]

I have had the opposite reaction! I had come to the point that the FSC in normal cigarettes was making it severely hard to breathe and the bottom of my lungs had felt numb for over 3 months. The FSC drained all of my energy. I have went back to E-cigs by a different brand and within 2 days my lungs no longer hurt, I can breathe and sleep easier and I have way more energy! The FDA need to go after the FSC hmm FDA<>FSC?? They need to get there facts straight! These E-cigs have probably saved my life!!! Note to users drink lots of water when vaping! By the end of day 1 of switching to e-cigs I began coughing up all the tar and junk in my lungs! It's something about the vapor that seems to break it loose from the air sacks in your lungs!


FSC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_safe_cigarette
"Response from consumers

Some consumers in the United States claim they have found a noticeable difference in the taste of FSC cigarettes from non-FSC cigarettes, comparing it to a copper or metallic taste. Other symptoms reported include an itchy rash, (allergic reaction), severe headache, vomiting, ........, mouth sores, and nose bleeds. There has been a rise in people rolling their own cigarettes instead of continuing to smoke FSC and there have also been petitions regarding FSC. One current petition has been signed by over 27,000 people that attest to the negatives of FSC cigarettes.

Currently there are no findings published on the long term health effects on humans of inhaling EVA co-polymers. Results of tests conducted on rodents show the risks associated with 'Ethylene Vinyl Acetate copolymer emulsion based adhesive' include triggering the cellular proliferation necessary for tumor development"

Health and Environmental Effects: http://www.vinylacetate.org/health.shtml
New Vinyl Acetate Safe Handling Guide: http://www.vinylacetate.org/guide.shtml
http://www.celanese.com/msds/wercs.pl?query=vinyl+acetate
http://www.celanese.com/msds/pdf/657-84390258.pdf
MSDS document on Vinyl acetate "Vapours may cause irritation to the eyes, respiratory system and the skin,
Gastrointestinal discomfort", "Inhilation:Keep at rest. Move to fresh air. Call a physician immediately"

 

[katiemarie71730]

Also don't be alarmed if your body starts rejecting the tar that normal cigs put in your lungs. My first day I cleaned my ears with 10 q-tips and every one came out of my right ear covered with brown tar!! I assume it's the combination of the vapor and drinking lots of water plus deep breathing exercises. When you drink lots of water your stomach fills up and presses against other organs forcing your lungs upward which also just an assumption but in combo with breathing exercises for people with emphysema it forces tar out of the lungs! I CAN BREATH DAD GUM IT !!! LOL <<<is happy!!!

 

[katiemarie71730]

tip! If your brand was say Marlboro red...and you refill your own carts or even if you order pre filled cartridges....resize and print an image of your brand pack of smokes and tape it to the bottle or box of carts....smoking habit also involves the stimulation of the eyes!!! Phillip Morris and company has pumped millions into advertising and subliminal advertising!! They want to keep you hooked! USE IT!!! Especially for those who have played pac-man! Turn the pack sideways and eat the PM and follow the middle of the road

Now look at the pyramid on top of the fold in the box!! Is that the same pyramid on the back of your money?? Look at the pack again sitting there on the shelves....follow the red arrows in the corner saying oooh dont look at me!! then the white arrow pointing up....then the ll in the middle....which stands out more the red,white or black? ll = pause consumer and notice me!
As for the case of the TV vs Phillip Morris he won! Restrictions were set to remove advertising of cigarettes on TV! So now the ll on the box is also in your subconscious mind! Also at a store you are the star of the TV as you are being recorded by security camera which most of us forget this puts the ll in the back of your mind as well!

Now turn the corner!!
http://static.dailystrength.org/userfiles/6/1/5/5/385516/pg_385516_1720967371.jpg
Is that a torch in her hand or a cigarette lighter?
Turn the corner again!
http://static.dailystrength.org/userfiles/6/1/5/5/385516/pg_385516_1791713657.jpg
This is the sony logo shrunken down for plausible deny-ability!
So phillip morris has tried to sue the e-cig market for use of the name on the flavor of e-juice labeled Marlboro Extra High,High,Medium and low! Now you know why! They do not want you to quit and don't care if you die or not as long as they get their money! They spent a lot of money on subliminal advertising so the companies cant advertise the e-juice as Marlboro flavor but that does not mean you the consumer can not print the image and tape it to your cigs,cart box or e-juice bottles!!!
*Not an expert but I aint no college educated dumb dumb either!

 

[katiemarie71730]

For the person who had tightness of the chest after vaping for one day....Can I ask what was the nicotine dose was it extra high,high,medium or low? Also I did have sort of the same thing happen but began to realize it was gas! Try some gas-x. That is embarassing but hey people need to know this stuff! Nicotine can cause gas it's a known fact! After the gas-x the tightness in my chest and discomfort in my tummy went right away and I was happily vaping again!